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Petition Against Home Ed Register

411 replies

Isawthesigns · 09/11/2021 15:43

Now It Is Evident The Goverment Is Committed To A Register Of Children Not In School Which Will Be Followed By Assessments And Monitoring

Please Sign And Share The Petition Help Us Defend Our Right To HE Without State Interference

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/594065?fbclid=IwAR0o70ZNS9miOu6k8l769Kcu9XJnFbkAYggnqkbHzaknueGt39nnQrbhZTo

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Gingernaut · 11/11/2021 10:54

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-35380182

A register of home schooled children is absolutely the right thing.

I'm stunned you think otherwise.

Lockdownbear · 11/11/2021 10:57

I can say every child in the school system is being taught by qualified teachers. A plan should be in place for those with SEN. And every child has opportunity to talk to people outwith the home.

Nobody can guarantee that every single Home Ed child is actually being taught anything.

KaptainKaveman · 11/11/2021 11:40

Anyone in doubt about the way home edding can be used as a cover to abuse children should read up about Khyra Ishaq.

5zeds · 11/11/2021 11:40

I can say every child in the school system is being taught by qualified teachers. well not really. Certainly children with sen are taught by people who are not qualified to teach and teachers are I think still expected to teach subjects they aren’t qualified in.

5zeds · 11/11/2021 11:42

Again how does a register actually protect children from abuse/neglect? Are you actually arguing for a minimum curriculum or power to “inspect” homes without notice?

SirChenjins · 11/11/2021 11:54

Registers work in all other educational settings - be that sports, arts, whatever, and in other settings where adults are responsible for the wellbeing and development of children such as DoE, Guides etc. This is no different - it means that children are traceable and there’s clear standards that should be adhered to. Both have my support - and I imagine the support of most people.

UndertonesOfCake · 11/11/2021 12:00

@5zeds

Again how does a register actually protect children from abuse/neglect? Are you actually arguing for a minimum curriculum or power to “inspect” homes without notice?
Of course there need to be minimum standards the children are hitting - unless you're happy with illiterate 10 year olds?

It's not necessarily about being able to name all of Henry VIII's wives or describe oxbow lake formation - but absolutely everyone needs to learn certain things - literacy, maths, science. If they don't get those things in place then they're not going to get GCSEs and will be forever hampered in their personal and professional lives.

Some choices have consequences, and one consequence of choosing home education should be inspections and a requirement for children to meet minimum standards (adjusted for SEN).

One choice I made was to start a cake business from home, and that means the council have the right to inspect my home, check minimum standards are being met, and shut me down if minimums aren't met. It would be no good bleating about human rights and how MY kitchen is clean - how would the council know without checking, and what about all the others out there? I welcome the system of inspections - I doubt I'm going to give someone salmonella, but I know there's poor practice out there and I'd sooner it was rooted out for everyone's benefit.

The ones people are worried about are not the kids that people see at forest school, home ed groups and Brownies. They'd have nothing to be concerned about from an inspection. It's the Khyra Ishaqs, the traveller kids, the ones whose parents are dodging fines for poor attendance and so on. The ones who are receiving no real education, and possible abuse on top. Those are the ones such a system is intended to protect.

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 11/11/2021 12:01

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Whilst the law states that all children between certain ages must go to school or receive alternative appropriate education, I agree with the idea of a register acknowledging that 'we have decided to home educate X' and giving basic details as to the responsible person/people and the regular times when targeted learning will be provided. Too many children completely fall through the cracks and their existence/circumstances aren't even always known about.

However, I can't say I'm in favour of compulsory training, supervision or other 'we know best' approaches by default - except where it becomes clear that the child's needs are not being met.

A lot of parents make the conscious, considered decision to home educate their children when they have reason to believe that mainstream schooling has failed them, for any of a number of reasons, or at least is not helping them to thrive. In such cases, I think it's appalling - and somewhat Kafkaesque - where the same system that might have failed your children, leaving you, as you see it, with no alternative but to do it yourself, then goes on to dictate how you should be doing it, when they apparently couldn't when given the chance.

Yes, home schooling CAN be used as a cover for abuse, but I hate the thought that it should carry a stigma and be viewed as a red flag in itself, when there are no actual tangible reasons for concern.

For plenty of neglectful and abusive parents, the very last thing they'd ever want to countenance would be to actually have to take more responsibility for, and spend more of their time and money on, their children, when they can just bundle them off to school each morning and forget about them for six hours.

Totally agree.
Lockdownbear · 11/11/2021 12:02

@5zeds

Again how does a register actually protect children from abuse/neglect? Are you actually arguing for a minimum curriculum or power to “inspect” homes without notice?
Not without notice but some checks should be made to ensure children are being educated.

That could be the educator needs to show evidence of what that child has been doing, show progress 3 times per year.

The child should also be given time to speak with someone outwith the parents ear shot, to give them the chance to raise any concerns they have (abuse, isolation, school subjects, options)

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 11/11/2021 12:03

@Chloemol

Nope I think there should be a register and HE should be subject to assessments and monitoring

End off

Oh bore off.
Lockdownbear · 11/11/2021 12:07

The ones people are worried about are not the kids that people see at forest school, home ed groups and Brownies. They'd have nothing to be concerned about from an inspection. It's the Khyra Ishaqs, the traveller kids, the ones whose parents are dodging fines for poor attendance and so on. The ones who are receiving no real education, and possible abuse on top. Those are the ones such a system is intended to protect.

Exactly.

DockOTheBay · 11/11/2021 12:07

Actually every child who has ever been found abused under the guise of home ed was already known to social services so a register is redundant
The key here is every child who has been found to be abused. I'm sure there are plenty who weren't found.

RedCake · 11/11/2021 12:13

I still don’t know what this register is going to achieve in addition to the register that is already in place. Money wasted.

I waited months to get support from school and the LEA. I could not watch my child be failed by the system any longer and now I am going to be expected to be monitored by the same people who left us high and dry when I was begging for support to keep my child in school.

Tillysfad · 11/11/2021 12:13

Those are the ones such a system is intended to protect.

You'd think so, but no.

The LEAs are generally not efficient or competent though to come after those children. The parents who have a fixed address and engage are easier targets in the drive to lower the numbers.

This is what people need to understand. They're not doing what you think they're doing and it would be actively dangerous to think a register was going to protect anyone. It isn't for that purpose and won't be used for that purpose. A register will not make up for poor SS or education provision. It will cost a great deal of money though.

trumpisagit · 11/11/2021 12:14

These neglected children were only found when repossession of the property was attempyed:

BBC News - Boys, 7 and 10, abandoned in 'upsettingly squalid' house
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-51709382

There definitely needs to be more oversight.

RedCake · 11/11/2021 12:16

‘The ones people are worried about are not the kids that people see at forest school, home ed groups and Brownies. They'd have nothing to be concerned about from an inspection. It's the Khyra Ishaqs, the traveller kids, the ones whose parents are dodging fines for poor attendance and so on. The ones who are receiving no real education, and possible abuse on top. Those are the ones such a system is intended to protect.‘

If the these vulnerable children are not on the current list how will they be found and put on the new register?

RedCake · 11/11/2021 12:19

@Tillysfad I agree the proposed register is a total waste of money.

5zeds · 11/11/2021 12:46

@trumpisagit those children WERE on a list.

5zeds · 11/11/2021 12:50

Not without notice but some checks should be made to ensure children are being educated.

That could be the educator needs to show evidence of what that child has been doing, show progress 3 times per year.

The child should also be given time to speak with someone outwith the parents ear shot, to give them the chance to raise any concerns they have (abuse, isolation, school subjects, options)
I think this is a much better idea than a register but I’d like it to apply to ALL children with special focus on those with additional needs, because at ds’s last school this would have highlighted exactly the reasons he was removed and home educated.

Lockdownbear · 11/11/2021 13:15

@5zeds

Not without notice but some checks should be made to ensure children are being educated.

That could be the educator needs to show evidence of what that child has been doing, show progress 3 times per year.

The child should also be given time to speak with someone outwith the parents ear shot, to give them the chance to raise any concerns they have (abuse, isolation, school subjects, options)
I think this is a much better idea than a register but I’d like it to apply to ALL children with special focus on those with additional needs, because at ds’s last school this would have highlighted exactly the reasons he was removed and home educated.

But how do you do checks without a register to know where children are?

If they've never been registered for school or nursery the LA don't know the child exists.

It is worrying that kids could be completely off the radar, being abused, neglected behind closed doors, or having options limited due to parents.

5zeds · 11/11/2021 13:33

So perhaps it would be better/more prudent that the register was under “health” not “education” and as all babies born are registered and have health visitors perhaps that would be a more appropriate place for this data to be held??

VincaMinor · 11/11/2021 13:41

I don't see why maintaining a register would cost more than it would cost for HE kids to be in school, so I don't think the cost of it should be a reason for not doing it

RockinHorseShit · 11/11/2021 13:47

I'd prefer a register too & I did homeschool for a while. I was surprised there wasn't a register as I could have done with some help to begin with. We had nothing to hide though,so would have welcomed this.

I have an ex friend, who I heard ended up homeschooling her kids & that was with the intention of dropping off any radar that was looking out for her DCs, she she had fictitious illnesses, befriended people who were I'll or disabled & mimicked their symptoms. I heard her now adult DCs both suffer badly with anxiety & agoraphobia & because of that I think a register is a great idea, it would have protected her poor kids

Lockdownbear · 11/11/2021 13:50

@5zeds

So perhaps it would be better/more prudent that the register was under “health” not “education” and as all babies born are registered and have health visitors perhaps that would be a more appropriate place for this data to be held??
Education makes more sense from a secondary school child's POV options exams etc.

But who holds it doesn't matter kids should be registered somewhere, progress checks made and given opportunity to speak freely with someone.

5zeds · 11/11/2021 13:51

@VincaMinor but if it doesn’t protect children what is the point? Surely the money could be better spent?