Petition Against Home Ed Register

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Now It Is Evident The Goverment Is Committed To A Register Of Children Not In School Which Will Be Followed By Assessments And Monitoring

Please Sign And Share The Petition Help Us Defend Our Right To HE Without State Interference

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Yes they ask at the Drs etc and you just say “home educated”.

Which of your 'human rights' is being violated OP by being on a Home Ed register? 🤦‍♀️

My mind is honestly blown by the constant 'I'm not signing anything/doing anything that I don't want to do!' in this country these days! It's out of control now!

There should definitely be a register
I'd go on the if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about theory

I'm sure most parents who choose to home school are fine but there will
Be a small percentage that aren't

Either way someone needs to monitor this

@FatFilledTrottyPuss

My friend home educates, or rather unschools her child and as a teacher she is able to produce fantastic reports and show how incredibly well the child is achieving. In reality, the child is only just starting to read and write age 9 and is massively behind their peers, both socially and educationally. A register would at the very least make sure HE. children were getting a decent standard of education. I will not be signing that petition.

And this is someone who is a trained teacher????

It's worrying in a way

There's no way home educated kids can possible get the same benefit as kids going to school

Each to their own but I think it needs to be regulated to ensure that (in cases I've heard of) when kids hit 11 and parents can't cope with the thought of delivering 12 subjects at GCSE level (instead of trotting round the woods collecting leaves and yoga) they throw them into schools and they're so far behind it's cruel and they struggle socially.

I'm sure most parents who choose to home school are fine but there will
Be a small percentage that aren't

Yes just like those who choose to institutionally educate.

HOW does a register protect children? To me it sounds like an expensive useless bit of window dressing. Perhaps they’ll make a nice app and then look a bit sheepish when it doesn’t work and all the cronies have made a few million ....

I have signed. The 'system' didn't care when DS was at only 7 years old was being strangled,spat at,punched,kicked, videos uploaded online, sent home with a broken wrist (i was told nothing by the school,a swift trip was needed to A&E). He also had a head injury and will need cosmetic surgery on his teeth due to blunt force trauma. Nobody cared then, and the many times I have rung the HE team for help,guidance and support they have just shrugged their shoulders.

I know lots of lovely HE families who do an amazing job and have well rounded and educated children. I do also know 2 families who do absolutely no educational stuff with their children and, 1 of the mothers is a very difficult opinionated woman who constantly chats shit and must fill their heads with all sorts. This happens in lots of homes but the kids have a break at school and a chance for a more rounded view on life.
I also worked for homeless families with lots of children out of school, in precarious often dangerous situations. Like fuck were SS working with them all. I've begged SS to get involved with families (full disclosure of sexual abuse from father's leading to a little discussion, mother on heroin, needles left out and a miscarriaged baby in the bath. No SS involvement.) There needs to be something.

There's no way home educated kids can possible get the same benefit as kids going to school or vice versa.

Exactly which human right would a register infringe OP?

Knowing where kids are & having the ability to check they are ok is a really important mechanism to protect from abuse or neglect, and I can’t think of any “good” reason why someone would object. As an aside if the education is being done by someone who thinks it is appropriate to capitalise every word in a sentence they probably shouldn’t be allowed to home educate….

@5zeds

There's no way home educated kids can possible get the same benefit as kids going to school or vice versa.

Perhaps but I think the benefits offered by school as opposed to home Ed, are the ones which matter in a work related context. I also think it instills an independence which you can’t get when your parents are there virtually 24/7.

My school experience had its ups and downs, but I have so many happy memories (and some ‘chalk it up to experience’ ones!) from school, that simply wouldn’t have happened had my parents been there ( 😬 )

Knowing where kids are & having the ability to check they are ok is a really important mechanism to protect from abuse or neglect, and I can’t think of any “good” reason why someone would object.

This sums it up for me really.

@glassofshloer - when talking about benefits we have to remember that not all children are the same. You have happy memories of school and think that it helped you in adult life. My memories of school are nothing but boredom, anxiety and outright fear, and being told 'if you can't cope with school you'll never cope in the workplace' compounded the damage, because it made me feel as if my life would never improve. It was also untrue. Home education (or a radically different school setup) might have given me a much better start in life.

The difficulty is that people who had horrendous school experiences might have children who would enjoy school, while people who loved school might have children who really aren't suited to it. Generalising based on one's own experience is natural, but it doesn't work because children are individuals. A one-size-fits-all policy around education damages those who don't fit, regardless of what the policy is. It's difficult for people for whom school wasn't harmful in any way to see that sometimes, I think.

If you don't think the hv should be compulsory but do think home ed children should be checked and subjected to increased monitoring, that is a massive double standard in a conversation about safeguarding.

Knowing where kids are & having the ability to check they are ok is a really important mechanism to protect from abuse or neglect, and I can’t think of any “good” reason why someone would object

Pretty much sums it up.
My guess is people are objecting because the next step is for them to meet certain levels for the children in question.

Some people on here are describing group sessions kids being taught together with a tutor. There has to be a fine line between that and a school, schools need to be registered.

If circumstances change and parents can no longer home school, illness, death, divorce, how easily can these kids slot back in to mainstream education?

Don't be ridiculous OP. Of course home education should be monitored. Do you know how many lunatic extremist religious schools off grid there are?

@Glassofshloer Perhaps but I think the benefits offered by school as opposed to home Ed, are the ones which matter in a work related context. I also think it instills an independence which you can’t get when your parents are there virtually 24/7.
Most home Enders aren’t with their parents 24/7 and of course you can think that but it doesn’t make it universally true.

I honestly don’t think most people have the slightest understanding of home ed, what leads to it or how it works.

Again how does it safeguard children to be on a register? HOW is it used?

My guess is people are objecting because the next step is for them to meet certain levels for the children in question. really? is it your position that most home Edders are just lazy or ignorant?

[quote 5zeds]**@Glassofshloer* Perhaps but I think the benefits offered by school as opposed to home Ed, are the ones which matter in a work related context. I also think it instills an independence which you can’t get when your parents are there virtually 24/7.*
Most home Enders aren’t with their parents 24/7 and of course you can think that but it doesn’t make it universally true.

I honestly don’t think most people have the slightest understanding of home ed, what leads to it or how it works.

Again how does it safeguard children to be on a register? HOW is it used?[/quote]
Well why don’t you tell us then? A brief outline of a typical week?

@5zeds

My guess is people are objecting because the next step is for them to meet certain levels for the children in question. really? is it your position that most home Edders are just lazy or ignorant?

Can you honestly say that every single home educated child is getting a quality eduction?

And that includes children in religious schools, and certain travelling communities ?

I honestly don’t think most people have the slightest understanding of home ed, what leads to it or how it works.

But home Ed is different for every child.

There are people who homeschool and ensure their children mix with others, have opportunities to learn in groups, access a wide community and approach learning in a way that suits them.

Then there are children who are isolated at home, spend all day playing games and have a few work books to look at if they want to.

Both are home educated, but the outcomes and learning are vastly different.

GetInThereLewis - I’m so sorry for your DS, I really hope he is thriving now.
I understand your anger at the way he has been let down, it is justified.
If some of the comments on here about HE families are hurtful - it’s can only be because so many parents are unaware of how wrong things can go for a child within a school. That can feel very lonely but it’s also something to be thankful for.

Can you honestly say that every single home educated child is getting a quality eduction? can you honestly say that every single school educated child is getting a quality eduction?

I don’t think our typical week will work in this context as ds has SEN but he does in a typical week a swimming lesson, a sport training for two hours, two music lessons, 4 hours of 1:1 tutoring in numeracy and literacy,a morning in a 1:1 art class, when he was younger we did Forrest school one day a week, and a couple of hours of academic work (eg history/geography/languages, science clubs, and a social club with other children with neurological difference). We train for particular challenges eg cycling or camping or both and also go to HE groups though Covid makes that harder. He gets up at 5am every day but we don’t leave the house till 8ish.

I have other children I have homeschooled who used on line school plus tutors and groups. I know children who do far more than we do but ds will not be following the usual path so we are in step with him rather than the national curriculum. I’d rather he was in school but there is no school that he can cope with. Many many of our HE friends are in the same situation.

“Encroaching on basic human rights”

I think you ought to read around human rights legislation before you start playing the HR martyr.

Do your children have birth certificates, are they registered with a doctor, or a dentist, have they ever been to hospital,do you claim child benefits for them? We live in a country where children have access to well-being resources, health and education in ways that would be only a dream to millions of parents and children in the third world, for you to whinge on that it is “breaching human rights” for a child to be included on a list of children being home educated is frankly pathetic and stinks of western privilege.

I home Ed through choice a few years ago but wholly believe a register of children who are not in school should be kept. I do believe it is your right to educate your children how you see fit (as long as they are learning reading, writing and maths and are socialised then whatever else and however else you teach them should be yours and your child's choice), but I believe a register that safe guards vulnerable children who may slip though the net (and we all know children in school have sadly slipped through the net so vulnerable hom Ed children could be even more at risk) needs to be kept.