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English, History and PE A levels, potentially for Oxbridge

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Drangea · 30/06/2025 00:49

DS is considering the above combination. Aiming to read English or History. Teachers are recommending he applies to Oxbridge. High achieving kid at a super selective boys grammar that send lots to Oxbridge to give context.
We have not discussed with teachers yet, wanted to get a feel first.
Thanks in advance
(also posted in further education, but was advised to move to here)

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OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 17:06

Dearover · 30/06/2025 16:48

Nobody needs 5 A levels for Oxbridge. DD had 3 - English language, maths & history for PPE and not all at A star. The standard offer for English & History is AAA.

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I didn’t say it was imperative but it’s something they notice on application. I can imagine OP’s sons getting tossed to the side due to the PE so it may be worth him doing another subject on top

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 17:07

I agree with avocet, PE is a great a level- just not for English or history at Oxbridge.

if he’s into PE/sport Oxbridge don’t offer sports science courses which he may want to do.

Dearover · 30/06/2025 17:08

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 17:06

I didn’t say it was imperative but it’s something they notice on application. I can imagine OP’s sons getting tossed to the side due to the PE so it may be worth him doing another subject on top

You really are spouting an utter load of rubbish throughout this thread. What is your recent, actual Oxford experience of English or History or humanities degrees?

titchy · 30/06/2025 17:10

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 17:06

I didn’t say it was imperative but it’s something they notice on application. I can imagine OP’s sons getting tossed to the side due to the PE so it may be worth him doing another subject on top

You do know we can read your posts don’t you? You said ‘they will also be wanting 5 a levels at a high grade, not just 3.’

That sounds like you think it’s imperative.

Zippp · 30/06/2025 17:11

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 01:43

PE as an A level, when he could’ve taken something more academic, would not impress Oxbridge. Sorry.

As PP says, it’s not on the less helpful a level subject list, but Oxbridge is so competitive and there will be people applying with multiple a-levels of the preferred/best subjects who still aren’t getting in.

they will also be wanting 5 a levels at a high grade, not just 3.

have you sat down and asked him what made him pick PE, what he wants to do as a job? He may not even want to go to oxbridge.

plenty of Uni’s and colleges will accept a good PE grade especially if he wants to do something like PE teaching or sports science.

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No, they will not be wanting 5 A Levels. They will make an offer based on 3 A Levels, even if a child is offering 4 or 5.

DC1’s Oxbridge offer was A*AA
DC2’s Oxbridge offer was AAA

Both university websites are clear on the 3 subject thing.

Supersimkin7 · 30/06/2025 17:12

PE?!

Dearover · 30/06/2025 17:22

Anyway, back to the OP's original question. As your DC is at a super selective grammar school, he would be advised to take more traditional A levels than PE or to do it as a 4th. However, Oxford recognises that those from schools and colleges which do not traditionally send pupils to Oxbridge may not have received similar guidance, so they are less likely to be judged (in the way that some have judged here) for their A level subject choice. After all, some only decide to apply in the summer of Y12, never having considered applying to Oxford or Cambridge before their PGs.

Piggywaspushed · 30/06/2025 17:25

Really the only post you need to read is sarahandquack's OP!

Drangea · 30/06/2025 17:44

Supersimkin7 · 30/06/2025 17:12

PE?!

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Drangea · 30/06/2025 17:47

Yes I’ve had some great advice thank you. Definitely one to discuss with school and have an eye to swapping it potentially. Stuff I hadn’t thought of like injury potential. But really it will be up to him.

Younger DS knows exactly what he wants, to be a chef and has already sorted out where to go after school to train and he’s only in yr 5!

And he will only be doing 3 A-Levels, if he decides to go for something else instead of PE I will encourage him to just do his sports and forget the A level!

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Flyswats · 30/06/2025 17:49

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 11:14

I used to do admissions for Cambridge, for English. I don't see why anyone would be fussed he's done PE. English and History is a perfectly decent combination; I wouldn't care in the slightest. It would just come down to the interview, as with everyone else.

It is possible having done a different subject would help him be better prepared for interview, obviously - I can imagine, for example, that if he'd spent the time doing a language he'd have honed his linguistic skills, or if he'd done RE or philosophy he'd have honed more essay-writing skillls. But that's beside the point really; those skills can be acquired all sorts of ways, and what people are interested in is students who would be fun to teach, and who will respond will to the kind of teaching that's done at Oxbridge.

FWIW, the PP who says there's lots of Old and Middle English in Oxbridge English, and therefore Latin would be useful - well, no. There is lots of OE/ME in Oxford English. At Cambridge, no one studies OE unless they chose to do it (and it is not a popular choice); you also have to opt-in to study early Middle English (pre-1300), so what you are left with as a compulsory paper is later Middle English. Yes, some students find it linguistically complicated; yes, it is often easier for those who have done Latin. But it's one paper; it's not actually exponentially more difficult than Shakespeare, and I wouldn't advise a student do a subject they don't enjoy, on the slim chance it'd be useful for one paper at one university.

It is much more sensible for the OP's son to look carefully at what each English course at each university he's considering, entails. They are all very different, and nothing pisses off me admissions interviewers more than someone who rocks up with no idea of the course content and expresses their burning enthusiasm for studying something we don't, in fact, teach/ their utter disdain for something compulsory.

I was under the impression that Chaucer is taught at Cambridge colleges. Is that no longer the case?

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 17:51

Flyswats · 30/06/2025 17:49

I was under the impression that Chaucer is taught at Cambridge colleges. Is that no longer the case?

Chaucer was active in the later decades of the fourteenth century.

Flyswats · 30/06/2025 17:55

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 17:51

Chaucer was active in the later decades of the fourteenth century.

Still gets classed as Middle English.

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 17:57

Flyswats · 30/06/2025 17:55

Still gets classed as Middle English.

I'm not quite clear what your point is, then?

(I'm a medievalist; I've published a book on Chaucer; I'm fairly clear about this stuff.)

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 18:03

Drangea · 30/06/2025 17:47

Yes I’ve had some great advice thank you. Definitely one to discuss with school and have an eye to swapping it potentially. Stuff I hadn’t thought of like injury potential. But really it will be up to him.

Younger DS knows exactly what he wants, to be a chef and has already sorted out where to go after school to train and he’s only in yr 5!

And he will only be doing 3 A-Levels, if he decides to go for something else instead of PE I will encourage him to just do his sports and forget the A level!

Edited

Honestly I think that’s the best idea. If he’s passionate about sports and that’s his “thing” he should forget about Cambridge/oxbridge. They have no sport related courses at all.

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 18:05

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 18:03

Honestly I think that’s the best idea. If he’s passionate about sports and that’s his “thing” he should forget about Cambridge/oxbridge. They have no sport related courses at all.

I've got this tenuous memory in the back of my head that they might do quite high-profile sporty extra-curriculars, though? Some kind of boat-related thing on a river, is it?

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 18:07

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 18:05

I've got this tenuous memory in the back of my head that they might do quite high-profile sporty extra-curriculars, though? Some kind of boat-related thing on a river, is it?

They have loads of extra curriculars but if he wants to use sport in his career there are no sports related courses like sports science. Other uni’s may have courses that suit him better.

Dearover · 30/06/2025 18:20

They've had quite a few premiership rugby players recently. I think rowing has quite a good reputation too

Piggywaspushed · 30/06/2025 19:09

But he wants to study English, or history. It's right there in the OP.

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 19:11

Piggywaspushed · 30/06/2025 19:09

But he wants to study English, or history. It's right there in the OP.

Well if that’s the case he should drop PE for something else more in relation to those courses, but his mum hinted he would rather stay on pe than do another a level or drop it.

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 19:17

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 19:11

Well if that’s the case he should drop PE for something else more in relation to those courses, but his mum hinted he would rather stay on pe than do another a level or drop it.

Why should he?

I don't quite get what I'm missing here, but clearly, you know something I don't, and I'd love to understand what that is.

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · 30/06/2025 19:23

@OneGiddyRubyViewerjust out of interest why are you out here routinely feeding people incorrect and therefore unhelpful information? What are you basing it on because it’s clearly not fact?

The only people in my daughters cohort doing more than three A levels are maths students and they’re doing four (to include FM). My daughter (history) is doing three as are all the arts and humanities applicants.

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 19:23

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 19:17

Why should he?

I don't quite get what I'm missing here, but clearly, you know something I don't, and I'd love to understand what that is.

Because Oxbridge is v competitive and sadly is less likely to put someone on an English or history course with PE, as opposed to something like a language, economics or politics.

as PP said if he insisted on applying for Oxbridge English or history anyway with a PE level, he would need an a and only aroubd 5 percent of pupils achieve an A in PE.

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 19:24

Only 5 percent of PE pupils reach a *

Thelondonone · 30/06/2025 19:25

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 09:46

I didn’t say it was required but everyone I know who has got in did more than 3. It tends to impress then if you do more than the minimum but not so many that you struggle with the work.

mist students nowadays are Oxbridge have 5-6.

PE would not be looked upon favourably really so it’s maybe with the son either dumping it for something like history, or taking an extra a level in history.

This is bullshit. HTH.