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English, History and PE A levels, potentially for Oxbridge

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Drangea · 30/06/2025 00:49

DS is considering the above combination. Aiming to read English or History. Teachers are recommending he applies to Oxbridge. High achieving kid at a super selective boys grammar that send lots to Oxbridge to give context.
We have not discussed with teachers yet, wanted to get a feel first.
Thanks in advance
(also posted in further education, but was advised to move to here)

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Drangea · 30/06/2025 11:04

Thanks all for some helpful advice. Of course there will be back up options, that goes without saying I would have thought but thank you.
Sounds like it’s not the greatest idea if he’s set on Oxbridge, which as he’s yr 10 he’s not quite yet set on anything except going to Morley’s for fried chicken. Lots to discuss with him. I had sort of hoped it might be seen as @titchy said, a bit different in a good way, but maybe it’s a bit too much of a roll of the dice. We are at the very beginning of the process and it’s all just quite interesting and exciting for us rather than scary and pressured, we enjoy mulling over the various options.
He’s not a FL bod and dropped Latin in yr 9, does German under extreme duress. Just doesn’t enjoy it so that’s really good info about the degree content.

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OccasionalHope · 30/06/2025 11:09

I would encourage continuing the sport extra curricularly. What does he play/compete in? is he already in out of school ,teams or clubs?

stupidarticle · 30/06/2025 11:10

pharmer · 30/06/2025 10:20

Oxbridge don't ask for 4 + a levels but in many subjects nearly everyone who gets in has this.

But only for subjects which require further maths Alevel. Taking 4 without one being further maths is extremely rare.

LikeABat · 30/06/2025 11:11

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 09:46

I didn’t say it was required but everyone I know who has got in did more than 3. It tends to impress then if you do more than the minimum but not so many that you struggle with the work.

mist students nowadays are Oxbridge have 5-6.

PE would not be looked upon favourably really so it’s maybe with the son either dumping it for something like history, or taking an extra a level in history.

185 students did 5 or more A levels in 2024 so this is clearly incorrect.

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 11:12

Drangea · 30/06/2025 11:04

Thanks all for some helpful advice. Of course there will be back up options, that goes without saying I would have thought but thank you.
Sounds like it’s not the greatest idea if he’s set on Oxbridge, which as he’s yr 10 he’s not quite yet set on anything except going to Morley’s for fried chicken. Lots to discuss with him. I had sort of hoped it might be seen as @titchy said, a bit different in a good way, but maybe it’s a bit too much of a roll of the dice. We are at the very beginning of the process and it’s all just quite interesting and exciting for us rather than scary and pressured, we enjoy mulling over the various options.
He’s not a FL bod and dropped Latin in yr 9, does German under extreme duress. Just doesn’t enjoy it so that’s really good info about the degree content.

He has got plenty of time to decide then. Is it him who wants to try for these uni’s or you?

SarahAndQuack · 30/06/2025 11:14

I used to do admissions for Cambridge, for English. I don't see why anyone would be fussed he's done PE. English and History is a perfectly decent combination; I wouldn't care in the slightest. It would just come down to the interview, as with everyone else.

It is possible having done a different subject would help him be better prepared for interview, obviously - I can imagine, for example, that if he'd spent the time doing a language he'd have honed his linguistic skills, or if he'd done RE or philosophy he'd have honed more essay-writing skillls. But that's beside the point really; those skills can be acquired all sorts of ways, and what people are interested in is students who would be fun to teach, and who will respond will to the kind of teaching that's done at Oxbridge.

FWIW, the PP who says there's lots of Old and Middle English in Oxbridge English, and therefore Latin would be useful - well, no. There is lots of OE/ME in Oxford English. At Cambridge, no one studies OE unless they chose to do it (and it is not a popular choice); you also have to opt-in to study early Middle English (pre-1300), so what you are left with as a compulsory paper is later Middle English. Yes, some students find it linguistically complicated; yes, it is often easier for those who have done Latin. But it's one paper; it's not actually exponentially more difficult than Shakespeare, and I wouldn't advise a student do a subject they don't enjoy, on the slim chance it'd be useful for one paper at one university.

It is much more sensible for the OP's son to look carefully at what each English course at each university he's considering, entails. They are all very different, and nothing pisses off me admissions interviewers more than someone who rocks up with no idea of the course content and expresses their burning enthusiasm for studying something we don't, in fact, teach/ their utter disdain for something compulsory.

LiteralLunatic · 30/06/2025 11:14

He needs to check the syllabus, @Drangea. If he isn’t a linguist, it will reduce his options eg

www.history.ox.ac.uk/historical-methods#collapse386571

MaturingCheeseball · 30/06/2025 11:17

For English all my dc’s course mates at that particular college had a MFL A Level. And English Literature A Level (not Language). But, as I said, that was one college’s preference; others may be different.

I try think the trouble with A Level queries is that posters answer based on a particular course, so, yes, 300 A Levels for Maths would not be unachievable (slight exaggeration!) but for a humanities subject 3 is entirely acceptable if they are core “good” ones.

Of course we all have tales of the person who got in with one GCSE and A Level Beauty, but for a true picture look at the statistics! (Btw I know a girl who was accepted by a Magic Circle firm with A Levels in PE and Drama and a degree from a, ahem, crappy place, but I can’t imagine this is the norm…)

mumsneedwine · 30/06/2025 11:30

@Drangea grades matter most, no point taking a language is will get a B. Needs As or more. And no course needs 4.

mumsneedwine · 30/06/2025 11:31

I have taught many students who did A level PE. It’s never stopped any of them doing what they wanted. I teach Chemistry 🤷‍♀️

AmberSpy · 30/06/2025 11:41

5–6 A Levels? Utter nonsense
When I was at Oxford (graduated 2019 so still quite recent) none of my friends or course mates had more than four, and the vast majority had three. My partner went to Cambridge with three as did many of his uni friends.

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 11:49

mumsneedwine · 30/06/2025 11:31

I have taught many students who did A level PE. It’s never stopped any of them doing what they wanted. I teach Chemistry 🤷‍♀️

did any of them go to Oxbridge?

LiteralLunatic · 30/06/2025 12:01

mumsneedwine · 30/06/2025 11:30

@Drangea grades matter most, no point taking a language is will get a B. Needs As or more. And no course needs 4.

100% this ^

Languages would be useful but there is no point taking a subject if he won’t get the grades.

He should still check the syllabi to see how not having a language will affect his course options. There is no point applying for a course if he hates the course content.

Perhaps he might also be interested in related “non school” subjects eg Egyptology (probably not if he doesn’t enjoy languages) or Archaeology & Anthropology? It might be worth looking at the course content and entry requirements for related degrees too.

RedBeech · 30/06/2025 12:03

I agree with others that it's absolutely not necessary to do more than 3 A levels. DS got in, even though he should really have taken Further Maths as well as Maths but dropped it to balance his workload. He got grilled on his Maths ability at interview and had to promise to study extra Maths in his first year, but was offered a place anyway.

I'd be inclined to choose a more academic third subject. For both English and History a MFL could be very helpful. Or Latin if it's on offer.

ANagsHead · 30/06/2025 12:05

(I’m that one person, @MaturingCheeseball!Grin

For complicated reasons my exam years were completely messed up. Failed Maths, and disappointing O’levels generally. My Oxbridge acceptance hung on a C in Biology O’Level, doing really well in the entrance exams, sending some apparently impressive essays in lieu of asking for a reference from my previous school, a good interview, and just scraping through the absolutely minimal A’ Level grades they asked for. But that was in the 80s - and I don’t suppose those times will ever come again.)

GirlsInGreen · 30/06/2025 12:42

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 11:12

He has got plenty of time to decide then. Is it him who wants to try for these uni’s or you?

Uncalled for. Fucking snidey much.

LiteralLunatic · 30/06/2025 12:50

ANagsHead · 30/06/2025 12:05

(I’m that one person, @MaturingCheeseball!Grin

For complicated reasons my exam years were completely messed up. Failed Maths, and disappointing O’levels generally. My Oxbridge acceptance hung on a C in Biology O’Level, doing really well in the entrance exams, sending some apparently impressive essays in lieu of asking for a reference from my previous school, a good interview, and just scraping through the absolutely minimal A’ Level grades they asked for. But that was in the 80s - and I don’t suppose those times will ever come again.)

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My poor DF failed O level maths and had to take extra maths classes at college because 2 Es at A level plus O level Maths and English were the basic matriculation requirements in the 80s. I think you needed them to be eligible for a grant. She hated it!

It does still happen. One of mine just graduated and got in with just 6 average grade GCSEs, an Access course and a sample essay. Obviously, there were mitigating circumstances for the GCSE results. There were other students with a similar unconventional route and exam results at their college. If anything, I think it might be more common now. Some Oxbridge courses accept Access qualifications but none did in the 80s. You had to take A levels as a mature student.

Skissors · 30/06/2025 12:52

LiteralLunatic · 30/06/2025 11:14

He needs to check the syllabus, @Drangea. If he isn’t a linguist, it will reduce his options eg

www.history.ox.ac.uk/historical-methods#collapse386571

This is a v misleading statement.
Might as well say no A level Maths reduces options for the quantification option.

Students choose one of those options. No point choosing to do a language A level unless you are naturally good at it.

Pinkissmart · 30/06/2025 13:05

Bloody hell

If he loves PE, he should take it.

Oxbridge is not the be all and end all. Choosing a third subject based on a university he may want to apply to is bonkers.
However, he may want to consider an EPQ. If he's considering politics, and loves the sporting industry he may want to choose a subject in those topics, and there is a lot of scope. Oxbridge really don't care what an applicant is academically curious about, just that applicants ARE academically curious.

mumsneedwine · 30/06/2025 13:12

@OneGiddyRubyViewer yes. Be a bit pointless posting otherwise

ANagsHead · 30/06/2025 13:28

@LiteralLunatic your friend might have been a few years behind me. I definitely got my grant! And never had to retake the Maths O’Level. Though a few years post graduation I was the class dunce on a professional development course in accounting. (Am not an accountant, obvs.) And there were a few hairy moments early in my career when I wished I had a surer grasp of what I was asking a calculator to do for me.

MrsAvocet · 30/06/2025 13:42

PE is a perfectly respectable A level @Drangea I've defended it on previous threads to people who clearly don't know much about the subject and have neither the time nor the inclination to do so again, but in many situations it's a completely suitable choice.
However, for your DS I'm not convinced, for several reasons.

  1. It doesn't seem a particularly good fit with his other preferred A levels or to have much relevance to his intended course. My DS did it and he, and most of his classmates did it along science A levels and have gone on to do STEM degrees. Most of the theory is Biology related and it's accepted as an alternative to Biology for lots of courses. I'm sure it's not impossible to do very different A levels and do well in them but I'd think it's easier to do 3 that are more natural bedfellows.
  2. It's time consuming. Collecting the evidence for the NEA does take time and if your DS needs to divert time to other supercurricular activities more directly related to his intended course of study that may be an issue.
  3. Particularly as he'd be applying for a course where it is an unusual choice it may not be well understood and could possibly count against him.
  4. Applying for Oxbridge, especially with something of a "non standard" choice of A levels, I'd hazard a guess that they'd ask for an A star. About 5% of candidates got an A star for PE last year and it's hard to achieve one without getting high marks on both the practical and theory components. Just being a great athlete won't get you a top grade on it's own (one of my DS's classmates was literally world champion for his age group in his sport and he didn't) but the practical element carries enough weight that if you don't score highly on it it would be quite hard to achieve an A star. And the standard required is quite high - it's a big step up from GCSE where improvement is the main goal. I'd advise you to look at the specification for your DS's sport to try get some idea of where he'd need to be in a couple of years to get high marks. Obviously if he's already competing at a high level it may not be an issue, but as a PP said there's always an element of luck in sport - anyone can get injured or have a bad season for some other reason, and in some sports there is subjectivity to the marking rather than being based on objective measures such as race times . Of course it is not easy to get an A star in any Alevel, but if achieving one is crucial it might be better to opt for something with a bit less potential for mishap. It's early days yet and your DS has lots of time to think. But personally, whilst I think PE is a good A level, I'd probably encourage him to explore other alternatives.
LiteralLunatic · 30/06/2025 13:42

Skissors · 30/06/2025 12:52

This is a v misleading statement.
Might as well say no A level Maths reduces options for the quantification option.

Students choose one of those options. No point choosing to do a language A level unless you are naturally good at it.

It isn’t misleading in the context of my other posts and everything PPs have said, @Skissors. OP had referred in her post to my earlier post about there being some degree content that requires language skills so A level languages could be useful IF her DS is a linguist. I was adding further detail and advising he look at the syllabus to see what options are available if he doesn’t speak other languages in case she was concerned that not speaking a language will be an issue.

Plenty of PPs and I have advised that he DOESN’T take a language if he isn’t good at the subject.

Edited to add for clarification, you don’t need A level Maths to take the quantitative methods course but you do need to be able to speak a language to quite a high level to take the language options (successfully…).

MsPengiuns · 30/06/2025 16:14

For English and History most Oxbridge students will have 3 A levels - subjects where FM is helpful 4 is more common. Over 4 is very rare. Its also much better to do 3 well than lose grades with a 4th.

I would have thought PE A level would be fine but safest thing would be to check with admissions at Oxbridge. The only things to bear in mind is could he get the required A in it though may well not be an issue at a selective school and for the interview other related subjects can be helpful. For a history interview things like economics or politics could be helpful if discussing economic or political history but you could learn those or do an EPQ. Alternatively it would be more common to keep sports as a hobby then do a related A level. My DD is at Oxford with 3 subjects at A level and one is on Cambridge's less favourable list, wasn't an issue at all and as parts of it were relevant came in useful.

Dearover · 30/06/2025 16:48

OneGiddyRubyViewer · 30/06/2025 01:43

PE as an A level, when he could’ve taken something more academic, would not impress Oxbridge. Sorry.

As PP says, it’s not on the less helpful a level subject list, but Oxbridge is so competitive and there will be people applying with multiple a-levels of the preferred/best subjects who still aren’t getting in.

they will also be wanting 5 a levels at a high grade, not just 3.

have you sat down and asked him what made him pick PE, what he wants to do as a job? He may not even want to go to oxbridge.

plenty of Uni’s and colleges will accept a good PE grade especially if he wants to do something like PE teaching or sports science.

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Nobody needs 5 A levels for Oxbridge. DD had 3 - English language, maths & history for PPE and not all at A star. The standard offer for English & History is AAA.