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MFL year abroad in France

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AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 10:40

All being well, DD will be going to study in France this September for the 3rd year of her degree.

The university has put on a couple of information sessions for the students and given them a list of institutions with which they have exchange programmes.

They've said that with regards to funding (Turing) they don't know how much will be available but it won't be much and they don't know when they'll be allocating it.

I'd love to chat with other parents whose DC are doing a year in France or did one in the past.

DD doesn't have an EU passport.

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LouisCatorze · 01/01/2025 11:28

Good luck to your DC, OP.

Can't offer much useful information. However, DN - who has an Irish passport via the paternal line - found it considerably easier to navigate the bureaucracy associated with spending time in an EU country than most of their university fellow linguists (with British passports).

nestingvillage · 01/01/2025 11:29

My son did a year but in Spain, he did not receive any Turing money, there was none left. It cost us thousands in the end by the time he'd got the right paperwork, flights, buying essentials when out there. I don't know about France but there's not really any university accommodation in Spain so he also needed kitchen equipment and bedding.

The university was very hands off despite the impression they had previously given, the first time they replied to him contacting them was in the May.

He enjoyed it but I wish he'd have had more idea on the lack of support and financial help beforehand.

Ceramiq · 01/01/2025 13:13

Where does your DD wish to go, ideally? The cheapest way of spending a year in France would be as an au pair in a nice rich family in central Paris. That does not preclude your DD attending a course in the day time as French children go to school (and it is illegal to be an au pair in France for children under the age of 3, when school kicks in).

42isthemeaning · 01/01/2025 13:32

I did a year abroad for my degree many years ago. May I advise caution in becoming an au pair? Part of my year in Italy involved this and it was one of the worst experiences I’ve ever had, akin to modern slavery (didn’t pay me, stole my plane tickets, wouldn’t let me have weekends free, etc) I had friends who experienced similar (and it happened to Italian friends in the UK as well)
I spent the rest of the year as a languages assistant in a Paris school. It was fantastic and brilliant work experience. Are there still options to do this? Sorry I can’t be of more help!

HPFA · 01/01/2025 13:36

Most universities are strict in the type of work they will allow you to do - being an au pair probably won't qualify.

It seems a bit silly to me - I'd think working in a bar or something (for EU passport holders) would be very good for language learning. The danger of being in a university is you just spend all your time with international students.

DD is only in her first year - at the moment I can't imagine how she'll get to a good enough French level for her year abroad as she doesn't seem to work anywhere like hard enough at it. Maybe they'll push her a bit harder nearer the time.

Clearinguptheclutter · 01/01/2025 13:38

Is doing a language assistantship via the British council still an option? It was for me (1999 so yes years ago) and we got paid more than enough to have a good time.

nutsandraisinsrock · 01/01/2025 13:50

@Clearinguptheclutter yes it is - my dd is going to do MFL this year (starts in September - where she goes tbc at this stage!) and certainly the unis she's looking at mention this as an option.

Fucking brexit has made it all so much harder. She is doing French and Spanish - for her Spanish she wants to go to South America which may end up being easier to sort out I suspect!

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 14:04

DD is only in her first year - at the moment I can't imagine how she'll get to a good enough French level for her year abroad as she doesn't seem to work anywhere like hard enough at it.

I'm quite concerned about DD's level of French too! She's started to have a couple of sessions per week with Prepley (sp?) where she pays a native French speaker £10 to chat to her for 45 mins.

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AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 14:08

Thank you for replies.

I'm concerned about financing the 30 weeks. She works part time throughout the year but won't be able to do that in France and she wants to go to uni there rather than British Council.

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Clearinguptheclutter · 01/01/2025 14:18

nutsandraisinsrock · 01/01/2025 13:50

@Clearinguptheclutter yes it is - my dd is going to do MFL this year (starts in September - where she goes tbc at this stage!) and certainly the unis she's looking at mention this as an option.

Fucking brexit has made it all so much harder. She is doing French and Spanish - for her Spanish she wants to go to South America which may end up being easier to sort out I suspect!

Pleased to hear

I am still devastated that my kids won’t have the options that I did. Assistantships is a great option but very sad that working/year at uni is not as viable as it was

I def knew some people who officially spent a year at uni but it didn’t count at all towards uni credits so they basically bummed around in France for a year. Getting a part time job if that’s even possible anymore (unlikely) worked wonders for their French however. I ended up spending the summer of my year abroad working at Disneyland Paris which was (rather unexpectedly) great for my French. Again, probably not an option. Aaargh

HPFA · 01/01/2025 15:22

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 14:04

DD is only in her first year - at the moment I can't imagine how she'll get to a good enough French level for her year abroad as she doesn't seem to work anywhere like hard enough at it.

I'm quite concerned about DD's level of French too! She's started to have a couple of sessions per week with Prepley (sp?) where she pays a native French speaker £10 to chat to her for 45 mins.

Edited

She's planning to have a weeks holiday in France in September - assuming she can find a summer job - so that might wake her up a bit!

I'm learning French myself as I love visiting there so I've been getting her to test me on stuff over Christmas - at least she's exposed to a bit of vocabulary that way.

There's an exam in January so we'll see how she does - she's doing Joint French with International Relations so I suppose if she fails they'll just tell her to switch to Single IR.

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 15:27

Some of DD's cohort are choosing not to do a year abroad and will get a degree in, say, English Literature and French Cultural Studies.

Or something like that. She's a bit vague about it. God, I wish DD would go down that route!

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HPFA · 01/01/2025 15:29

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 14:08

Thank you for replies.

I'm concerned about financing the 30 weeks. She works part time throughout the year but won't be able to do that in France and she wants to go to uni there rather than British Council.

A student visa in France allows you to work part time - around 20 hrs per week max.

Apparently a lot find work tutoring in English which can't do much to benefit their French!

Ceramiq · 01/01/2025 15:34

When I did my MFL stint in Paris many years ago almost everyone covered the cost of their accommodation by being an au pair and there are today many foreign au pair students. Obviously you mustn't just be an au pair - it is important to be enrolled in some form of course.

Ceramiq · 01/01/2025 15:51

HPFA · 01/01/2025 15:29

A student visa in France allows you to work part time - around 20 hrs per week max.

Apparently a lot find work tutoring in English which can't do much to benefit their French!

Not many jobs are open to native English speakers with a poor command of French and limited work rights. Childcare and tutoring are about it.

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 19:33

I'm trying to work out how much a long stay visa will cost. €50 + £26 per file but not sure how many "files" they require.

Also medical insurance- can they just use standard travel insurance?

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nestingvillage · 01/01/2025 20:54

My son had to buy different insurance and also a completely new SIM card for his phone as he couldn't stay out of the UK for more than a month with his normal one.

Ceramiq · 01/01/2025 21:13

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 19:33

I'm trying to work out how much a long stay visa will cost. €50 + £26 per file but not sure how many "files" they require.

Also medical insurance- can they just use standard travel insurance?

If your DD looks for an au pair position for her accommodation she will have a different health insurance position than if she is merely a self-financing student. Do you have private health insurance? Most providers have extension packages that are easy to buy as an add on (sometimes even are free) when you go overseas.

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 21:21

She doesn't want to be an au pair as she doesn't like children.

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Bigearringsbigsmile · 01/01/2025 21:24

Ds has just done his tear in france. It has been incredibly beneficial for his french.
He spent 7 months teaching in a primary school and 4 months working as a financial admin assistant in an office in paris.
He got his student loan, some touring money and earned a small ( less that 1k a month) salary.

The biggest problem was finding affordable decent accommodation and we spent a lot of money on that.
His initial visa didn't cover the whole period so he gad to extend it once he was in france which turned out to be easier that doing it in the uk.

His top tip would be to ensure that she bases herself in a big city. His first 7 months were in a small town and it was a bit dull and lonely.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 01/01/2025 21:30

His university insured them for medical expenses etc

Clearinguptheclutter · 01/01/2025 21:34

AfterLeavingMrMacKenzie · 01/01/2025 19:33

I'm trying to work out how much a long stay visa will cost. €50 + £26 per file but not sure how many "files" they require.

Also medical insurance- can they just use standard travel insurance?

Most travel insurance won’t be valid for any trip longer than 30 days and if you are abroad for more than a few weeks a year

thefamilyofthings · 01/01/2025 21:42

Watching with interest as DD is planning to study French and do a year in France. She’s talked to prospective unis about the options and seems happy that she is able to study and work (we can’t afford for her to just study) but will be interested to see how it goes for yours.

But they will get good very quickly out there. She has done two exchange trips which have made a huge difference.

Georgie8 · 01/01/2025 22:59

It’s a ridiculous system and, I think, will discourage people taking MFL unless they/their parents can finance it. All students going abroad as a compulsory part of their degree should receive guaranteed funding via Turing and know, in advance, what they will receive so that they can plan.

My daughter’s University said they hadn’t ‘applied’ for Turing on her behalf and so she couldn’t have it, which was ridiculous. She’d been obliged to attend lectures about it and complete all the (very tedious) forms. Of course, they’d applied for every student going abroad as a compulsory part of their studies but were trying to fund students wanting to spend a (not compulsory) semester abroad.

Once challenged they miraculously ‘found’ the money, £3800-ish. My daughter’s friend had also been told ‘no’, so my daughter showed her how to challenge the University and she, too, received Turing in full.

However, and not the Universities’ fault, funding isn’t confirmed or released until after students have gone abroad, so they need to have some money for travel, rent, living costs up front.

The whole thing is a sh*tshow!

Our eldest was abroad last year and we had to pay for medical insurance (although apparently in some countries an EHIC is okay), a travelcard (was in a city), flights to/from the UK and, rent before any funding was received. She used Turing for living expenses and travel.

Obviously students can take out a maintenance loan with Student Finance in addition to Turing and, if they don’t get Turing, at least that means they have some funds. However, Turing is a grant and doesn’t need to be repaid, so it’s worth fighting for it.

Having spent a year abroad myself in the 80s, I know it’s invaluable for language acquisition. I ‘taught’ in a Lycee in the Parisien suburbs (bit like Richmond/Teddington), and advised my daughter not to do this and to go to University instead. Having said that, if finances are difficult and your child hasn’t been able to save from a holiday job, ‘teaching’ may be the more sensible option.

I also was a one-to-one tutor with adults and charged 10fr an hour (about €20 now) to earn enough to travel. It was pretty easy money as most people wanted to improve their conversational skills rather than pass exams.

It’s a bit scary to begin with (I think for parent and child alike) but it’s a fabulous thing to do and is so beneficial. I hope your daughter has a fabulous time!

Dery · 02/01/2025 00:17

Just jumping on to say - don’t worry about how your DD’s French seems now: once she’s in France and surrounded by it he knowledge will flurry.

I did my MFL degree many centuries ago: i started an unfamiliar language from scratch at uni and spent my whole 3rd year abroad in a country in which that language is spoken. Honestly, I could hardly speak it when I arrived but a year there did wonders and I got a high 2:1 in the language papers in my finals and have regularly used it for work since for clients from that region.

Your DD will be fine from a language perspective.

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