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Contextualisation - are we missing a trick?

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devilsadvocate77 · 15/10/2024 12:10

I do believe it is a good thing to have a system which allows students from disadvantaged backgrounds have a chance to gain a foothold on the educational ladder.

However, I was quite surprised to find out that some unis have a list where virtually all state schools (non-grammar) are included for contextualisation. Many of these schools I know for a fact are in leafy suburbs where the top sets are frequently kids who could have gone to grammar, super selective or private schools (wealthy parents).

Some of these schools, admittedly, have a wide range of abilities in their student pool. But to use the measure of how you compare with the rest of your school year cohort seems odd.

So if you are at a super selective grammar (or selective indie) and 'only' achieve 8/9s - as opposed to all 9s - you are downgraded as you have performed lower than your year/school cohort. But it seems unfair as these kids are all able and virtue of them having been selected on ability in the first place!! Why should the grammar lot not be considered for contextualisation?

You could argue that the top set in a leafy area comp will get more attention and good teaching than those in grammar who are expected to 'get on with it' to an extent.

Should add that some of these comps are very happy to provide very high UCAS predictions (not based on current level of working) as opposed to many grammar and high achieving independent schools who seek to provide very accurate predictions.

Would also be interested to know what contextualisation looks like in other countries when it comes to applying to uni?

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clarrylove · 17/10/2024 17:31

mumsneedwine · 17/10/2024 16:10

Because their A level results are in the bottom 40% in the country.

That's completely untrue! 😂 Marling results posted above and this is Stroud High...This year's A Level results, of which 41% were graded A-A, and 74% A-B,

SabrinaThwaite · 17/10/2024 19:28

clarrylove · 17/10/2024 16:04

Grammars are on Bristol's list though. Stroud High and Marling, both super selective Gloucestershire grammars. No idea why they are on there!

Thanks @clarrylove

I can’t see Marling or Stroud on the 2025 entry cycle list, but Marling was on the 2024 list (couldn’t see Stroud on that one?) - as were quite a few anomalous schools. The list has been heavily pruned.

mumsneedwine · 17/10/2024 19:40

They are usually a year behind. So list based on 2022 results - 2021 sometimes. And Bristol can get it wrong !

User100000000000 · 18/10/2024 10:15

I know a young lad (admittedly he is excruciatingly intelligent, bless him) who not only got into Harvard but due to a scheme of some sort because his mum is a lone parent (as am I, so no judgement!) and because of how clever he is, the UK government paid for all of it. The lot. Tuition, accommodation and all the stuff he needed etc. I think he did a PHD in something medical.

mewkins · 18/10/2024 12:18

User100000000000 · 18/10/2024 10:15

I know a young lad (admittedly he is excruciatingly intelligent, bless him) who not only got into Harvard but due to a scheme of some sort because his mum is a lone parent (as am I, so no judgement!) and because of how clever he is, the UK government paid for all of it. The lot. Tuition, accommodation and all the stuff he needed etc. I think he did a PHD in something medical.

Good on him.

mumsneedwine · 18/10/2024 12:30

Harvard will pay for everything for students. Including flights home ! If you meet the criteria to get a place it's all means tested.

motheronthedancefloor · 18/10/2024 18:27

in Scotland, Strathclyde university has a very long list of 'target schools' they consider for contextual offers. Doesn't matter if you live in a humungous house and your dad's a millionaire (applies to one child I know at DDs school!)

User100000000000 · 18/10/2024 23:16

@mewkins 1000% agree, it's amazing!

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