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Conservatoire applications

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Violasrule · 23/01/2024 12:10

Is anyone else looking to apply for a 2025 Conservatoire place? We have just started the process and it’s a steep learning curve!

We’re aware that for some of the more prestigious colleges it’s useful to have an idea of which tutor you would like before you attend the audition. Has anyone else come across this?

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cinnamonbiscuit · 13/02/2024 19:41

@AlwaysaLittleBitTired you really don't need to worry about not having had consultation lessons. There will be plenty of teens auditioning who are very similar to your DC in terms of experience and also state educated.

There's no reason whatsoever why she wouldn't be offered a place based on the info you've given - sounds like she plays a lot which will be an asset and will give her lots to talk about should the panel ask questions.

If you feel you'd like more reassurance that she's playing at the right standard (I'd be very surprised if she wasn't), definitely do try to arrange a consultation lesson somewhere, I'm sure it would be a positive experience for her (but definitely not necessary before auditioning).

Just to give an alternative route as well should she/you decide it's not for her at the moment - I went to state school, then normal uni music degree, then took two years out having lessons and working ,then did a post grad in performance at conservatoire. I wasn't ready for this type of training when I left school but knew I probably would be later on. Obviously this way costs more, but many young musicians end up doing a post grad either instead of or as well as an undergrad degree at a conservatoire. Just in case she did decide it's not the right time, there are many routes into a career in performance! But honestly from what you've said, sounds like she's ready to audition. Best of luck to her!

Siriusmuggle · 13/02/2024 22:19

Conservatoires should be accessible to anyone with the right level of talent. My child’s mates come from a variety of backgrounds. He was grade 8 age 15 so certainly not young. He went to a specialist school for 6th form, I think that did help because they are so clued up about the application process. He didn’t do JD or anything like that but had a number of offers to choose from.

Alwaysplayspicc · 14/02/2024 10:55

There is no one way to make it to conservatoire and into the music industry.
Both my DH and myself are pro musicians; I came through the more 'standard's route of private lessons, ABRSM exams, JD etc, he came through a route which started as a drummer in a pipe band as a child, drumming in pop bands as a teenager, and eventually Conservatoire to train as a percussionist in his 20s.
We met when we were both playing in the same pro orchestra.

Our DS has just had scholarship offers from all the conservatoires he auditioned for.
Virtually all his musical training has been funded by bursaries and outside financial support. Some conservatoires offer fee wavers for applications.I

There is a huge amount of financial support out there for young musicians - you just need to know where to find it.
Future Talent, Awards for Young Musicians, the Benedetti Foundation, NYO Inspire, the Cherubim Trust - all offer help/ opportunities to young players.

There is no need to have loads of consultation lessons before auditioning for conservatoire. You don't need to be "known" to the colleges.
A lesson to find out if you're the required standard may be helpful, but even then, it won't tell you what the standard of other applicants may be; you could be the right standard but not get an offer because the competition is high in your insttument, for example.

Without doubt, the arts is a tough industry to make a good living from, and it's particularly struggling at the moment. You need to be sure it's your passion, your "calling ", if you like, and know that you'll have a portfolio career which will probably include teaching etc. The conservatoires are very much aware of this these days and are looking to create rounded musicians with lots of different strengths, not just performing - look at any Bmus spec and you'll see optional modules in running workshops, recording skills, promotion, the art of teaching, writing for classical music etc.

horseymum · 14/02/2024 12:53

My DD is looking for 2025 entry. It's hard because lots of state schools don't know much about the process. We are having to be very firm about her needing to practice more and not full up the timetable with extra bits. We contacted Royal Welsh college directly on spec as were on holiday in the area and we got a tour from a student and a consultation lesson, they couldn't have been more helpful. It's definitely on her list. She goes to JD at the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland so will also apply there. They do a widening participation programme but might just be for Scots. They also do online consultation lessons. Depending on where you live there might be 'Young ( insert instrument here) sessions' run for free by the conservatoire, or if it's a niche instrument there might be specific days eg British horn society, British double reed society. If it's strings, look at benedetti foundation. We know it's hard to get into but some people have to and you don't need to all be world class soloists. We want to let DD pursue her dream and if it doesn't work out, she'll have plenty of other options to try.

Juno300 · 14/02/2024 12:54

@AlwaysaLittleBitTired Your daughter sounds very similar to my daughter. My daughter has a conservatoire place for September - no specialist school or JD, though she has attended free workshop sessions at conservatoires before. We went to the open days at the conservatoires she was most interested in and she had a couple of consultation lessons prior to applying (often these are free for the first one, or there may be a one off charge). She found the consultation lessons useful but they are not a necessary part of the process, many apply without. Also, I would get in touch with admissions departments as they will often be able to chat through the process and may be able to organise a visit. We didn’t have a clue about the process beforehand either!

AlwaysaLittleBitTired · 09/10/2024 16:26

Now the applications are in, how are we all feeling?
DD still has to record and upload her virtual auditions for the far flung colleges, and her references have not yet been sent (later this week I am promised!).
She's feeling the pressure I think.

Siriusmuggle · 09/10/2024 21:12

Hope you all start receiving news soon.

horseymum · 10/10/2024 08:04

Nervously waiting for dates! Partly due to logistics for further away ones, DD has the actual preparation under control.

Violasrule · 10/10/2024 10:46

Likewise! We hadn’t realised there were so many forms.

Now waiting for 6 audition dates and like you @horseymum trying to get our heads around logistics.

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AlwaysaLittleBitTired · 10/10/2024 14:37

I understand that audition offers often come in with little notice - a couple of weeks sometimes!

Violasrule · 10/10/2024 16:57

@AlwaysaLittleBitTired oh joy! Audition prep fine. It’s the logistics when you live out in the sticks and have other children / people to care for.

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Nomorecoconutboosts · 10/10/2024 17:10

Like several of you on this thread we are starting to realise quite a bit of what we ‘don’t know’ such as the consultation lessons. Dd has applied for 3 conservatoires potentially for 2025. this has of course cost almost £300 with no guarantee of an audition. She’s been asked to create an account with 2 of them to set up an audition date.I’m cautiously excited for her.

I’m increasingly realising the privilege and connections that come along with private education. However, unless I am misunderstanding things it is perhaps more of a level playing field once they (hopefully) get in to Uni or a Conservatoire.

She’s at a state comprehensive- last year only 5 or so students did A level music. We paid for a choral course during the summer and every other attendee without exception was privately educated. All lovely people but didn’t on the whole realise this has given them more opportunities and an insight into how things work. On a positive note her school teachers are passionate and encouraging people, her singing teacher at school is inspiring, and she has benefited from the generosity and encouragement of her choir director.

Kammer1 · 10/10/2024 18:58

@Nomorecoconutboosts - best of luck to your daughter. Sounds like she's had great support. It's a bit of a lottery in the state school system and it's really helpful if you can find and afford summer schools etc.

Others may jump in and say consultation lessons are important and contacts are important but we've got to fight against the privilege or it'll never change. Your daughter is as worthy as any other candidate. I work in choral education and I'm always extra impressed by those who haven't had abundant opportunities and have had to seek out things for themselves outside of school. It's a hill I will die on.

My DS has started at Conservatoire and has found lots of other state school kids which is encouraging.

Nomorecoconutboosts · 10/10/2024 20:25

@Kammer1
what a lovely, kind and encouraging post, thank you.
totally agree with your thoughts and comments.
all the best to your ds as well, what an achievement starting at Conservatoire.

dd’s friend also started this term, and seems to be doing well, I was so happy for him. He is a school year above dd but was always very generous with his encouragement and time in terms of supporting the year 12 students below him.

Siriusmuggle · 10/10/2024 20:58

You get a real mix at conservatoires. My son’s friends include specialist music school kids, state school kids, the occasional private school kid. Basically anyone who can play.

Violasrule · 10/10/2024 21:35

@Nomorecoconutboosts best wishes to your DD.

Our DC are all state school educated. Large city comprehensive with hardly any music provision. We have been pretty clueless about the whole process.

DD has been fortunate to receive various scholarships and bursaries along the way. Applied to five colleges (don’t get me started on the cost!) as plays a very popular instrument. So keeping everything crossed for the auditions.

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Maryward · 25/10/2024 13:25

Hi all, wonder if anyone has heard back yet. We have an audition for Guildhall but haven’t heard from others.

horseymum · 25/10/2024 15:06

Got date for RCS and RNCM but not rwcmd yet. It's a tense time!

Violasrule · 25/10/2024 16:02

We have dates for Guildhall and RCS. No news from RNCM, RWCMD or other London colleges. Agree it’s a tense wait!

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Pollyanna8234 · 25/10/2024 16:12

Waiting on RAM & RCM here. Hoping to hear next week.

horseymum · 25/10/2024 18:01

And Rwcmd arrived today so all dates known which means it's easier to plan.

pencilornotes · 25/10/2024 18:10

We heard from RNCM today too.

Nomorecoconutboosts · 25/10/2024 18:25

Got an audition at B’ham early November (dd not me) this is her absolute first choice.

London (TL) and Cardiff have offered auditions but waiting on dates. Sorry I don’t know all the abbreviations
I am excited for her. The auditions alone are an achievement imo. Good luck to all your dcs.

fruitpastille · 25/10/2024 18:42

We got a date for Leeds last week - less than two weeks notice! Not classical though.

Comefromaway · 25/10/2024 20:24

Jazz? I know they don’t usually hold pop auditions until February but Ds also only got about 2 weeks notice.

good luck

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