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Which unis have not given degree classifications this year?

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SmartHome · 15/07/2023 05:43

Due to strike action.

I know about Edinburgh and Cardiff. Any others?

I think it's utterly disgusting the way students at the above have been treated and want to make sure my children avoid applying to these institutions in the next few years.

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Ginpostersyndrome · 03/08/2023 19:08

Apparently Cambridge (like lots of unis) have given a letter explaining why the degree is not yet classified but Cambridge (or another bit of it at least) doesn't accept that letter...

lanthanum · 04/08/2023 12:24

SmartHome · 21/07/2023 11:24

I am also fine with disgusting. I don't support the strikes. There are other less disruptive ways for the lecturers to get their, entirely valid I'd say, point across that doesn't devastate 21 year olds that's have managed to get through university under uniquely challenging circumstances.

They could refuse to teach foreign students over the summer, they could refuse to translate for foreign students, they could refuse to publish, they could refuse to run summer classes, they could refuse to teach public seminars. This was cruel in my opinion.

Thanks for the anecdata on which unis were badly affected. As I thought, certain names have come up repeatedly. I will certainly advise my kids to avoid these unis if there is a choice as it clearly indicates that a lot of the staff are members of the same unions that encouraged striking and that a lot of the staff are pissed off and demoralised.

The problem with those suggestions is that they are unlikely to have any impact - particularly public seminars. Foreign students over the summer is probably a useful income stream which some unis would not want to lose, but I suspect most of those who do that work are on zero-hours contracts - which probably means that they are less able to afford to strike, and easily replaceable.

Industrial action has to be disruptive or it has no effect. I do agree that it's really unfortunate that this cohort have had such a bad time, though. Action was paused for a couple of years, and as far as pay is concerned, perhaps it would have been better to wait another year. Unfortunately the issue of pensions was rather time-critical, as major changes were being made that have serious repercussions which would affect staff for many years. That one does now look like it is on course for resolution, though.

Do beware the anecdata; I don't think you can tell at all from that which unis were badly affected. (I'd be quite interested in the subject distribution; certainly in the uni I know most about, some subjects are badly affected and others barely at all.)

SmartHome · 04/08/2023 12:30

I'm fine with the anecdata. Certain institution names have come up, again and again, over a period of months, from many different posters, who have had their own children affected. I don't think it matters whether it's just certian faculties or certain subjects, or not. It shows a general attitude and management stance about student welfare, it shows that a significant proportion of lecturers are unhappy. I've filed it away for future reference when helping my children with uni decisions. It obvioulsy wouldn't be a sole criteria but it would come into my thinking if I, say, had a child that maybe needed better pastoral support than another or if they were choosing between 2 otherwise equal options.

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WestendVBroadway · 04/08/2023 12:41

@SmartHome Sorry, I am a little late to the thread. My DD graduated from Royal Holloway mid July. At the time of graduation most of the graduands/ graduates had still not received their classification. A week later they received an 'allowed' mark. They were informed that this classification could go up, but would not go down. At the graduation ceremony the Uni principal apologised for the lack of official grades, I was surprised that there was so little reaction to this. My DD had warned me that there may have been protesters at the event, I thought she meant students, so I said I sympathised with them. She said she actually meant lecturers, I would have been incensed at this, but luckily there was no issue . My DD now has to wait until at least September for an official final classification.

WestendVBroadway · 04/08/2023 12:45

^^ Sorry, forget to mention this was for Drama, theatre, dance and music department. Not sure who else was affected. (Also not sure why above post was in bold😀)

EpidermalLayer · 04/08/2023 13:03

SmartHome · 04/08/2023 12:30

I'm fine with the anecdata. Certain institution names have come up, again and again, over a period of months, from many different posters, who have had their own children affected. I don't think it matters whether it's just certian faculties or certain subjects, or not. It shows a general attitude and management stance about student welfare, it shows that a significant proportion of lecturers are unhappy. I've filed it away for future reference when helping my children with uni decisions. It obvioulsy wouldn't be a sole criteria but it would come into my thinking if I, say, had a child that maybe needed better pastoral support than another or if they were choosing between 2 otherwise equal options.

How can you conclude that a 'significant proportion' of lecturers are unhappy, when in fact the names mentioned could just be due to one faculty?
There is a lot of variation between faculties and subjects for the same university. Whether you like it or not some subjects are more financially viable than others.
International students (who pay up to triple the fees of home students) for example tend to pick the same few subjects.

Went I went to LSE for example the number of students paying international fees for moneymaking subjects like Accounting and Finance was above 50%. For international relations... less than 10%. The international fee at that time was double the home fee and increased by 5% every year while the home fee was fixed.

That was before we get onto the subject of grants, corporate consulting/partnerships, etc etc.

I agree that universities are money grabbing and certainly people at the top are being paid loads but that's not the full picture. As funding is being rolled back (especially now that we're out of the EU) every department has to fend for themselves. The financially valuable ones even if they wanted to can't subsidise the others to the extent that's required... why would they?

Universities are expensive. Especially with the amount of babying and 'every student graduating' that we have in the UK. Places with free universities have tough weeder exams in second year, you are expected to work for it, they don't want everyone having a 'degree' for the sake of it.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1084737/eu-28-adults-with-tertiary-education-attainment/

Even among the EU we have one of the highest educated populations, but this doesn't distinguish between locally educated British citizens and people with a degree who have migrated here.

Europe share of population with a degree 2022 | Statista

Luxembourg was the European country with the highest share of graduates in 2022 with 46 percent of those aged between 15 and 64 having a degree in that year.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1084737/eu-28-adults-with-tertiary-education-attainment

Qilin · 04/08/2023 13:46

Edge Hill University - Primary Ed degree all marked and grades awarded, before graduation a couple of weeks ago. No delay. I believe their Nursing and Policing degrees were also marked and graded.

sammyjoanne · 04/08/2023 21:24

Daughter just finished her 3rd year at Lancaster and had a tough 2nd year. So she really had crack on in order to get a god 3rd year result. She needs a 2:1 to qualify for her integrated masters. She got 6/9 modules marked and out of those 6 she got a first (could go up or down dependant on those other 3). Still no results on those 3, but they have allowed her onto the integrated masters course and has it in writing.
I support the strikes, but not the marking boycotts. The losers here are both staff and the students. Students cant move onto jobs/get the classification, and the management are digging their heels in and wont give what the staff wants.

sammyjoanne · 04/08/2023 21:25

*add above its for particle physics.

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