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Why are most degree apprenticeships not from top universities.

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Theworried · 18/06/2023 08:59

My son initially was looking at a few degree apprenticeships this year but found out that the degrees are often not from the very highest ranked universities- e.g UCl, Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick, Imperial. For example the Bank of England’s Economics Degree Apprenticeship is from the University of Kent. Surely if as a country we want to encourage more young people to do degree apprenticeships, the Government should encourage some of the highest ranked unis to take part?

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WasabiWinner · 18/06/2023 22:01

titchy · 18/06/2023 21:55

No they can't charge what they like. The fees for each apprenticeship is set by ESFA/IFATE or whoever (I forget!), but the levy can only be used to pay the fee set - for many degree apprenticeships the fee is about £22k - compared to almost £28k for a fee loan. And 20% of the total is held back till the apprentice has completed their EPA.

Ah I see. In that case I can certainly see RG unis not bothering. Nothing in it for them!

Unless it's a higher level degree apprenticeships (Level 7). Which a quick Google shows is 21K, that's plenty for a Master's degree.

Come to think of it @Theworried a prestigious Master's degree is probably a better use of time and money, post apprenticeship. Compared to a prestigious undergraduate degree...

titchy · 18/06/2023 22:03

Max fees here:
https://www.instituteforapprenticeships.org/apprenticeship-standards/?levels=6

Youth work - £20k, Data science - £19k, radiographer £24k Sad

titchy · 18/06/2023 22:04

Lots of unis offering MBAs as part of the Senior Leader level 7 apprenticeship Wink

WasabiWinner · 18/06/2023 22:11

titchy · 18/06/2023 22:03

Max fees here:
https://www.instituteforapprenticeships.org/apprenticeship-standards/?levels=6

Youth work - £20k, Data science - £19k, radiographer £24k Sad

Fabulous links, thanks. Also MBA's.. I can see why they are popular!
Wondering whether I can convince my employer to fund a level 7. Probably not, as we have so much bureaucracy, but some of these look pretty good!

AlligatorPsychopath · 18/06/2023 22:25

WasabiWinner · 18/06/2023 22:11

Fabulous links, thanks. Also MBA's.. I can see why they are popular!
Wondering whether I can convince my employer to fund a level 7. Probably not, as we have so much bureaucracy, but some of these look pretty good!

If it helps them retain you or you would learn useful skills, they might as well. The money is just wasted otherwise, and virtually no employer uses its whole levy pot. The only thing they give up is 20% of your time.

Ohmylovejune · 18/06/2023 23:04

@titchy

It's 0.05% half of 1%, not 5%.

titchy · 18/06/2023 23:14

Ohmylovejune · 18/06/2023 23:04

@titchy

It's 0.05% half of 1%, not 5%.

We're both wrong - it's 0.5% of payroll!

OrangeSpicedBun · 21/06/2023 08:55

titchy · 18/06/2023 22:04

Lots of unis offering MBAs as part of the Senior Leader level 7 apprenticeship Wink

The actual MBA part has to be funded outside the apprenticeship as the award is only funded only goes to PGDIp now.

storminamooncup · 21/06/2023 09:30

Graduate apprenticeships (as they are called in Scotland) include top universities

PacificState · 21/06/2023 13:46

I have absolutely nothing to add, but this thread has answered a question I've had for a couple of years and I love how Mumsnet always throws up these astonishingly well-informed answers based on RL experience. Imagine what you'd all charge for professional consultancy on this topic, and I get it for free. So thank you!

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