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Part 2: Continuation of 2023 uni (and other) applications for those pursuing art and creative routes

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Duchessofmuchness · 01/05/2023 13:03

As requested transferring us all over hear for the continuation of the 2023 journey. Have so enjoyed the company and support of all on the first thread. Link to original thread copied below (I hope!)

2023 uni applications for those pursuing art and creative routes www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/4626697-2023-uni-applications-for-those-pursuing-art-and-creative-routes

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HannahDefoesTrenchcoat · 24/03/2024 20:36

CSM heartbreak here too @Duchessofmuchness 💔😢

Having a proper wobble about maybe applyied for wrong subject.

When the final 5 were chosen I did say how competitive CSM and UCL would be and got a happy, confident so be it shrug. Of course the reality feels very different.

Friend rejected by CSM today for fashion when holding offers for Kingston, LCF and ManMet. It's tough out there!

Soma · 24/03/2024 22:10

@HannahDefoesTrenchcoat my understanding is UCL Slade isn't wonderful. Most other art schools have better outcomes than Slade and The Ruskin. I think they are so popular because they are Russell Group / Oxbridge.

HannahDefoesTrenchcoat · 25/03/2024 07:08

Thank you @Soma I agree.
DC had a bit of a long and winding journey through subjects from fine art to eventual architecture.

UCL has had some very significant issues on its architecture course. CSM has issues with student experience not matching the hype.

Two good offers in and an interview to go but dyslexic DC panicking that maybe fine art would have been better. 😒

FancyFanny · 25/03/2024 10:37

DD rang Newcastle admissions this morning. They said that her application had been sent to the selectors at the beginning of February and couldn’t tell her any more than that. They did say that interviews would go beyond the end of March though. 🤞

luluposs · 25/03/2024 22:14

@HannahDefoesTrenchcoat so sorry about CSM too, but please don't despair - so right that CSM is resoundingly reviewed in recent years quite poorly and is so much reputation over substance. The friend with the other offers for Fashion has likely dodged a bullet! Keep the faith :)

HannahDefoesTrenchcoat · 26/03/2024 16:55

Thanks @luluposs
Things are settling down a bit.
A bit of positive thinking about Kingston being best fit anyway 😁

JulesJules · 27/03/2024 09:45

D2's friend has an interview at Newcastle today (Fine Art I think)

Hopeful646 · 27/03/2024 11:06

Hi , I gained so much information from this forum last year . My DS is now a first year at Leeds, happy to help anyone if they want info about the course/ living there .

Hopeful646 · 27/03/2024 11:09

Ignore, wrong thread sorry

appyaug · 28/03/2024 06:01

Hopeful646 · 27/03/2024 11:06

Hi , I gained so much information from this forum last year . My DS is now a first year at Leeds, happy to help anyone if they want info about the course/ living there .

Hi, is your ds at Leeds Art uni or University of Leeds? What course is he doing?

Hopeful646 · 28/03/2024 07:28

Hi @appyaug sorry I wrote on the wrong post . He's doing medicine at uni of Leeds .
I meant to post on the medicine thread

FriendlyLaundryMonster · 30/03/2024 10:10

Dd has had an artist offer to mentor her. She's 16. I'm not sure she sees the value in this! Do others think this would help? She hasn't met the lady, but they've seen her work. She's really debating whether to go to uni for art or just do art. I find this really hard to help her with. I'd hate her to miss out on all the social growth, as being a painter could be quite lonesome. But, she is not impressed with the final outputs from some art students on open days we've been to, and is looking for the value that would be added by her going. Sorry, that's more of a reflection than a post!

mondaytosunday · 30/03/2024 10:37

@FriendlyLaundryMonster what does that mean? Hopefully that she doesn't just end up as a skivvy in her studio!
I think as far as art school goes you have to pick wisely, and it's really the teachers that are the draw. I worked in a graduate art school in the US and most of the painting students chose it because of the reputation of one particular teacher. And it doesn't much matter what others are producing - she will be developing her own skills and creativity.
I think art school affords them the time and gives them studio space and surrounds them with like minded people. It's very hard to do this on your own.

FriendlyLaundryMonster · 30/03/2024 11:19

@mondaytosunday Yes, I agree that’s what art school offers. But good point about teachers. Not a skivvy, no! More like someone offering to help with art school choices and ‘in any way she can’ if she chooses a particular art profession, which this lady is already established in.

ArtGarfield · 30/03/2024 12:49

I’d want to know who the lady is. Safeguarding would be my biggest concern as if it was an awful experience for other reasons she could always go to uni later.

mondaytosunday · 30/03/2024 15:30

Some so called 'mentors' just want an unpaid intern to do all the crap stuff they don't want you to, but if you know this person it may work out.
When DD was considering Animation she looked at all the uni teachers reels that she could find - she just googled their names snd there was usually a link. Plus of course final year reels. It helped to know if there was a certain style the uni pushed and if her interests dovetailed with the teachers. Also how active they were in the industry which was very important for contacts.
It's not like other degrees where there are definite rankings, I think it's far more individual with creative degrees. One with an excellent reputation may not be a good match at all.

FriendlyLaundryMonster · 30/03/2024 16:30

Thanks, @mondaytosunday , that's a really good idea about looking for the teachers' reels.

Lottsbiffandsmudge · 31/03/2024 12:44

@FriendlyLaundryMonster is she year 12?
What's her current discipline/ practice?
In DS experience there is a wholemlot more to uni level art than merely the art.
So far this year DS has had a professional practice module, which has had seminars on different sorts of career, how to write artists statements, social media training, how to professionally photograph work etc.
He's doing a visual culture module on visual culture since the 1970s, so learning about the history of art.
He's also had two studio modules.
He has access to multiple work spaces and workshops. Printing presses, canvas making facilities, IT suites and free software, metal work, woodwork, ceramics, kilns, plaster casting, laser cutting etc etc
He is curating the bar area at the Studio Open weekend and managing the whole space, which the small team have decided to run as a performative piece; organising equipment, a team of people, costumes, performers etc etc.
He's networking at private views, building a social media presence etc.
There's a lot going on. Outcome exhibitions are not everything.
Plus the usual uni experiences, cooking, managing money, laundry, etc
The life and transfersble skills he is developing on the course are huge.

FriendlyLaundryMonster · 31/03/2024 14:03

Thanks @Lottsbiffandsmudge She is just year 11 and paints and draws. I dare say she will go to university. We’ll just have to figure out which one suits.

tizalinatuna · 04/04/2024 19:23

Our government - the gift that keeps on giving. Read about cuts to creative courses, making it impossible for many cash strapped universities and other institutions to offer them

www.theguardian.com/education/2024/apr/04/ministers-to-cut-funding-for-performing-and-creative-arts-courses-in-england?CMP=twt_a-culture_b-gdnculture

FancyFanny · 04/04/2024 21:39

It's a terrible blow @tizalinatunaand a step backwards in my opinion. Rishi is only interested in maths and what makes money- there is little appreciation for the importance of the Arts. Academic subjects are all well and good- but imagine where we'd be without Art, Music, Fashion, Drama etc. They are an integral part of human culture. As I said on another thread- when civilisations are lost it is their Art that remains and provides the biggest insight and clues to the how the people lived, their values, their stories, their beliefs and culture.

Okisenough · 05/04/2024 00:10

Awful news. No doubt Rishi has invested in AI and assumes it will be ok as AI will make all the art, music and fashion. He and his peers don't understand that the human condition is about more than money. I despair.

tizalinatuna · 05/04/2024 08:11

Also included in there is slashing of support for widening participation. Sad. Other countries still expanding tertiary education. Not us

ArtGarfield · 05/04/2024 09:06

But the Arts do make money. Rishi must know this. They’re a huge money maker. This must be ideological but I can’t understand why.

wonder what counts as a specialist institution? The music colleges are mentioned but will this mean that we go back to art schools for the arts? I can’t think of many. UAL and University of the Creative Arts. Are there more?

Cp2324 · 05/04/2024 09:46

ArtGarfield · 05/04/2024 09:06

But the Arts do make money. Rishi must know this. They’re a huge money maker. This must be ideological but I can’t understand why.

wonder what counts as a specialist institution? The music colleges are mentioned but will this mean that we go back to art schools for the arts? I can’t think of many. UAL and University of the Creative Arts. Are there more?

Leeds Arts Uni, Bournemouth Arts, Plymouth Arts, Falmouth....

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