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No personal statement from 2024 (according to the Times)

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lieselotte · 12/01/2023 15:55

Although you will have to fill in answers to a number of guided questions. And maybe submit a video message (maybe give students a choice so they can use their preferred communication style, I'd hate to have to put a video together).

A video message could soon replace the personal statement, the university admissions body said as it announced it was scrapping the written essay.
Candidates have a blank space on university application forms which they can fill with up to 4,000 characters. Ucas said that from 2024 they will instead respond to questions that will guide them to support their application in the right way.
Social mobility experts have campaigned for change and said personal statements were “barometers of middle-class privilege” because wealthier teenagers had tailored help. Numerous companies offer their services and private school sixth forms have specialists to help pupils.

Ucas is making the changes after a consultation with 1,200 students, 170 teachers and more than 100 universities and colleges. It said this paved the way for further change in future, such as moving from written text to multimedia submissions.
While students want the space to advocate for themselves on the form and demonstrate achievements beyond grades, most said the process of writing the personal statement was stressful and difficult to complete without support.

The questions the admissions service plans to introduce include asking about applicants’ motivation and preparedness for the course, their preparation through other experiences, any extenuating circumstances, how prepared they are to study and their preferred learning style.
Kim Eccleston, head of strategy and reform at Ucas, said in a blog for the Higher Education Policy Institute: “We believe this will create a more supportive framework, which in turn will help guide students through their responses by removing the guesswork, as well as capturing the information universities and colleges have told us they really need to know from applicants when it comes to offer-making.
“We are continually working to improve the admissions service to serve applicants better and broaden participation for all students, whether pursuing a traditional undergraduate degree or an apprenticeship.
“Through these upcoming reforms, we aim to introduce greater personalisation for students making post-secondary choices, give more structure to free text sections of the Ucas application, enhance visibility of the range of grade profiles and deliver new initiatives to support further widening access and participation.”

The change will affect those applying in 2024 to start university in 2025.
Lee Elliot Major, professor of social mobility at Exeter University, has campaigned for change. He said: “This is a significant breakthrough in our efforts to make university admissions fairer and fit for purpose for all students.
“Personal statements have become little more than barometers of middle-class privilege, disadvantaging applicants from poorer homes who do not benefit from the extra help provided by an army of advisers filling in the submissions.
“I’m afraid it is time to say goodbye to the university love letter that has been a key part of university applications for decades.

“No one should underestimate how important this reform will be in helping to level the playing field in university admissions. Statements currently add further advantage to middle-class applicants who are often given help in filling in their submissions.”
On its website, Charterhouse, a private school, says: “We offer guidance on choosing degree courses and universities as well as support on writing personal statements. We have dedicated specialists for Oxbridge, medical and law applications and applications for the USA.”
Cheltenham Ladies’ College, a private boarding school for girls, has a dedicated professional guidance centre which supports girls in their university applications.
Radley College, an independent boys’ boarding school, has a director of university entrance whose team provides “comprehensive guidance through the process of applying to UK universities through Ucas.”

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Piggywaspushed · 17/01/2024 19:10

I think we have to be careful about making too many sweeping generalisations about that. I have overseen about 100 UCAS applications this year and know that some departments in some unis read the PS very very closely. We have had students interviewed and asked about them (and not just Oxbridge), we have had students receive letters from professors and admissions secretaries citing passages form the PS,and students turned down because their PS wasn't detailed enough or did not evidence a desire to follow the degree subject/ relevant experience.

WriterOfWrongs · 17/01/2024 20:04

For courses at universities where there aren’t interviews, I’d be interested to know how often the personal statement is read. I would hope that they usually are.

Though of course on an algorithm basis, there are going to be some applicants whose PGs are grades in hand are several grades above the offer, so they may be an automatic offer. On the other hand, those with PGs or grades in hand that are several grades too low may be automatic nos.

Bergamotandbay · 17/01/2024 22:06

lifeturnsonadime · 15/01/2024 14:28

What does your research say about the parents who have to scrape by to put their SEN children into private schools because mainstream schools aren't able to meet their needs?

Does it say that they should have to obtain a grade higher because they have had the 'luxury' of being forced into private schools?

I think your research is fundamentally flawed. A blanket approach will cause more inequality that it will solve.

It wasn't me that carried the research out. There will always be very specific cases that should also merit some additional 'help'. Not sure what your gripe is as it wouldn't do any harm to your child at all. They would still need to meet existing grade criteria under my proposal.

Bergamotandbay · 17/01/2024 22:09

lifeturnsonadime · 15/01/2024 14:30

Or do you think that the person in the state school with a B who gets an offer at the same university as the person in the state school who got an A is of the same intelligence because that is how a blanket reduction of grades for state school will treat them?

Edited

Not necessarily of the same intelligence, they have different grades from the same condition. One has an A the other has a B but they can still be capable of studying the same university course, what is so hard to understand about that?

Bergamotandbay · 17/01/2024 22:12

EmpressoftheMundane · 16/01/2024 19:41

The independent school pupil has a grade advantage that has been unfair because they have had a better education.

Why race to the bottom?
How can better education be a bad thing?
I want the best educated populace possible in my country.
This is just evidence that state schools can and should be better.

No race to the bottom, this was enable a more equal race to the top as it would allow those disadvantaged by a poorer education an equal opportunity to study at university. I dont think anyone is under the illusion state schools can provide the same education they are massively disadvantaged by poor funding. Don't blame this all on the schools...

lifeturnsonadime · 18/01/2024 07:40

@Bergamotandbay
It would simply result in universities having to raise the grades for acceptance on courses in most cases 🙄. There are a finite number of spaces especially on competitive courses. If more people are able to apply then grades required for acceptance will rise. That doesn’t actually help anyone! The current system of contextual offers has the right balance.

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