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No personal statement from 2024 (according to the Times)

156 replies

lieselotte · 12/01/2023 15:55

Although you will have to fill in answers to a number of guided questions. And maybe submit a video message (maybe give students a choice so they can use their preferred communication style, I'd hate to have to put a video together).

A video message could soon replace the personal statement, the university admissions body said as it announced it was scrapping the written essay.
Candidates have a blank space on university application forms which they can fill with up to 4,000 characters. Ucas said that from 2024 they will instead respond to questions that will guide them to support their application in the right way.
Social mobility experts have campaigned for change and said personal statements were “barometers of middle-class privilege” because wealthier teenagers had tailored help. Numerous companies offer their services and private school sixth forms have specialists to help pupils.

Ucas is making the changes after a consultation with 1,200 students, 170 teachers and more than 100 universities and colleges. It said this paved the way for further change in future, such as moving from written text to multimedia submissions.
While students want the space to advocate for themselves on the form and demonstrate achievements beyond grades, most said the process of writing the personal statement was stressful and difficult to complete without support.

The questions the admissions service plans to introduce include asking about applicants’ motivation and preparedness for the course, their preparation through other experiences, any extenuating circumstances, how prepared they are to study and their preferred learning style.
Kim Eccleston, head of strategy and reform at Ucas, said in a blog for the Higher Education Policy Institute: “We believe this will create a more supportive framework, which in turn will help guide students through their responses by removing the guesswork, as well as capturing the information universities and colleges have told us they really need to know from applicants when it comes to offer-making.
“We are continually working to improve the admissions service to serve applicants better and broaden participation for all students, whether pursuing a traditional undergraduate degree or an apprenticeship.
“Through these upcoming reforms, we aim to introduce greater personalisation for students making post-secondary choices, give more structure to free text sections of the Ucas application, enhance visibility of the range of grade profiles and deliver new initiatives to support further widening access and participation.”

The change will affect those applying in 2024 to start university in 2025.
Lee Elliot Major, professor of social mobility at Exeter University, has campaigned for change. He said: “This is a significant breakthrough in our efforts to make university admissions fairer and fit for purpose for all students.
“Personal statements have become little more than barometers of middle-class privilege, disadvantaging applicants from poorer homes who do not benefit from the extra help provided by an army of advisers filling in the submissions.
“I’m afraid it is time to say goodbye to the university love letter that has been a key part of university applications for decades.

“No one should underestimate how important this reform will be in helping to level the playing field in university admissions. Statements currently add further advantage to middle-class applicants who are often given help in filling in their submissions.”
On its website, Charterhouse, a private school, says: “We offer guidance on choosing degree courses and universities as well as support on writing personal statements. We have dedicated specialists for Oxbridge, medical and law applications and applications for the USA.”
Cheltenham Ladies’ College, a private boarding school for girls, has a dedicated professional guidance centre which supports girls in their university applications.
Radley College, an independent boys’ boarding school, has a director of university entrance whose team provides “comprehensive guidance through the process of applying to UK universities through Ucas.”

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WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 18:17

They were UCCA and PCAS (PCAS for Poly) - think they merged about 30 years ago!

Mariposa26 · 12/01/2023 18:20

How does a video message level the playing field? Awful. They should be recognising that everyone is different, not scrapping one flawed process to force everyone into another.

Nimbostratus100 · 12/01/2023 18:25

PuttingDownRoots · 12/01/2023 17:57

Won't video submission invoke unconscious bias in the selectors for accents (and even race)?

Written form... you can hide behind a screen. No one knows if you are from Newcastle or London, a recently arrive immigrant, young or old, make or female....

and no one knows who wrote the statement for you...

DaisyCornflowerBlue · 12/01/2023 18:36

My one doesn't do TikTok or YT, and she does take photographs but of subjects other than herself (she's interested in this field in some capacity as a career). She prefers photographs to film. She's an introvert and whilst answering guided questions would assist her application I think she'd shrink to almost nothing in a video.

ManyNameChanges · 12/01/2023 18:38

My teenagers hate anything remotely close to WhatsApp, video calls etc…

I can’t imagine a ‘personal statement’ in video format.

Plus I imagine some of the teenagers will be able to edit said video before posting it etc… which brings us back t9 the same issue than before

Piggywaspushed · 12/01/2023 18:41

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 18:17

They were UCCA and PCAS (PCAS for Poly) - think they merged about 30 years ago!

That's not what we were talking about...Grin

It's the name for the thing where you could upgrade your uni choices. Opposite of Clearing. Doesn't exist any more anyway!

PerpetualOptimist · 12/01/2023 18:42

I read the UCAS blog on the Higher Education Policy Institute (HEPI) website this morning. I am pretty cynical about it. It is an attempt to show 'action', 'engagement' and 'innovation' without actually really doing any of those things.

It would be more meaningful to reform the overall process so that decisions are made by applicants and universities once grades are issued - and without necessarily requiring tweaking of the timing of A-level exams (and equivalents) or university start dates.

Before posters cry 'it is daft/not possible', such proposals have been put forward from within the HE sector (some of them via HEPI). Such a move would do away with the distortions of information and aspiration that are currently part and parcel of the predicted grade approach.

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 18:52

OOhh, sorry. Idiot me!
I think the thing you are talking about was called ‘Adjustment’??

Piggywaspushed · 12/01/2023 18:58

Yes, that's it! Thank you!

JocelynBurnell · 12/01/2023 20:06

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 17:33

Honestly, it’s not worth worrying about and will never happen.

This is the Press who love to jump on a throw-away passing thought from someone and make it into the headline. The real headline is Personal Statement to go.

This won’t happen. The scope for problems and it to be pretty much useless and riddled with flaws are so great, it will never happen.

Completely agree.

The real headline here is that the personal statement will go. Not a snowball's chance in hell that a video message will be required instead.

2DemisSVP · 12/01/2023 21:24

@Piggywaspushed oh that’s embarrassing, hadn’t realised !! Why did they get rid ?? Am off to google …

2DemisSVP · 12/01/2023 21:26

Bit of a gamble to release yourself into clearing to trade up … assume you can chat to the new Uni first to firm it up, before releasing the existing offer ?

Piggywaspushed · 12/01/2023 21:27

Maybe three years ago? During Covid TAGS, I think...

watchfulwishes · 12/01/2023 21:33

The video idea would just result in even less fairness in the admissions process - those who can write excellent statements will also be coached for their videos and will have that marvellous middle class confidence.

This is batshit - the complete opposite of a blind application process.

alwayslearning789 · 12/01/2023 21:59

Video????!

That's basically going from bad to worse.

HoneyMobster · 12/01/2023 22:08

To be clear the 'video' proposal has been reported in some of the press coverage. The UCAS document published today makes no mention of it...

www.ucas.com/file/672901/download?token=VccObZXZ

NestingSparrow · 12/01/2023 22:14

They really do need to level the playing field though. Every little helps.

TizerorFizz · 12/01/2023 22:42

I think prompts on the UCAS application would be good. The applicant then fills in the required details. Universities do use them so I think coherent thought regarding why you would like to do a course is reasonable. This is HE. Not an application for play school. As the PS doesn’t play a huge role, the fact some students get more help hardly matters. Teachers frequently are not giving great advice on the PS either. I have seen various PSs dissected by Oxford admissions and then compared with what teachers think about the same PS. Teachers ideas were not what Oxford wanted. Therefore headings might be useful.

sendsummer · 13/01/2023 07:40

Yes this is an attempt to frame guidance of what information is most relevant to the universities through the use of questions.

MountedbyHarryWindsor · 13/01/2023 08:44

DD will be applying for 2025 entry. I'm confused. Is the video optional or 'must have'? I'm also confused by the questionnaires, will it be a box to write an answer for each question so in essence a personal statement split up into different parts? DD will hate to video herself and some of the proposed questions sound confusing.

WednesdaysPlaits · 13/01/2023 09:08

I think the questions are to guide the applicant. Lots of kids with no guidance will think it’s relevant to talk about all of their extra curricular sport or that they play the violin or the fact that they were a prefect or the fact that they did Duke of Edinburgh etc. These things are not at all relevant. The questions should help in that respect.

But for the kids who had the correct guidance anyway it’s just a personal statement split into chunks.

MountedbyHarryWindsor · 13/01/2023 09:18

Is it the same across the UK or just changes for English applicants?

Shelefttheweb · 13/01/2023 09:32

Surely a video would be a nightmare at the other end too. A personal statement can be skimmed through rather than read - looking for key bits of evidence. Videos would have to be listened to pretty much in their entirety. And when you have courses like medicine with hundreds of applicants getting past the academic/UCAS filter the time involved would be considerable.

And yes, coaching would just shift to the new format.

Shelefttheweb · 13/01/2023 09:35

MountedbyHarryWindsor · 13/01/2023 09:18

Is it the same across the UK or just changes for English applicants?

UCAS is UK wife, though it seems that Scottish universities barely even look past your home address and if you have care experience.

boys3 · 13/01/2023 09:59

HoneyMobster · 12/01/2023 22:08

To be clear the 'video' proposal has been reported in some of the press coverage. The UCAS document published today makes no mention of it...

www.ucas.com/file/672901/download?token=VccObZXZ

rather than knee-jerk reactions to something that is not being proposed the link that @HoneyMobster posted yesterday evening might be a more sensible starting point.

the Future of Admissions can be downloaded.

it is only 11 pages.

pages 6-7 cover the proposals for the Personal Statement.

the word video does not appear. Caveat see the end of this post

the top of page 7 makes clear final proposals are not yet in place.

the new approach once finalised would commence no earlier than 2024 for 2025 applicants.

there is then the opportunity for anyone to feedback through a survey.. Direct link on page 7 of the document.

the catch which might be behind some of the reactions is the bottom para on page 7

restructuring the personal statement also paves the way for further enhancements in future years such as moving from written text to multi-media submissions.

concerned about that then use the survey to flag issues.

mine have all been through the process but future multi-media options would need very careful thought. Hence I will respond to the survey and I’d urge as many of you to also do irrespective of what your views may be. The one way to ensure your voice is not heard is to say nothing.