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No personal statement from 2024 (according to the Times)

156 replies

lieselotte · 12/01/2023 15:55

Although you will have to fill in answers to a number of guided questions. And maybe submit a video message (maybe give students a choice so they can use their preferred communication style, I'd hate to have to put a video together).

A video message could soon replace the personal statement, the university admissions body said as it announced it was scrapping the written essay.
Candidates have a blank space on university application forms which they can fill with up to 4,000 characters. Ucas said that from 2024 they will instead respond to questions that will guide them to support their application in the right way.
Social mobility experts have campaigned for change and said personal statements were “barometers of middle-class privilege” because wealthier teenagers had tailored help. Numerous companies offer their services and private school sixth forms have specialists to help pupils.

Ucas is making the changes after a consultation with 1,200 students, 170 teachers and more than 100 universities and colleges. It said this paved the way for further change in future, such as moving from written text to multimedia submissions.
While students want the space to advocate for themselves on the form and demonstrate achievements beyond grades, most said the process of writing the personal statement was stressful and difficult to complete without support.

The questions the admissions service plans to introduce include asking about applicants’ motivation and preparedness for the course, their preparation through other experiences, any extenuating circumstances, how prepared they are to study and their preferred learning style.
Kim Eccleston, head of strategy and reform at Ucas, said in a blog for the Higher Education Policy Institute: “We believe this will create a more supportive framework, which in turn will help guide students through their responses by removing the guesswork, as well as capturing the information universities and colleges have told us they really need to know from applicants when it comes to offer-making.
“We are continually working to improve the admissions service to serve applicants better and broaden participation for all students, whether pursuing a traditional undergraduate degree or an apprenticeship.
“Through these upcoming reforms, we aim to introduce greater personalisation for students making post-secondary choices, give more structure to free text sections of the Ucas application, enhance visibility of the range of grade profiles and deliver new initiatives to support further widening access and participation.”

The change will affect those applying in 2024 to start university in 2025.
Lee Elliot Major, professor of social mobility at Exeter University, has campaigned for change. He said: “This is a significant breakthrough in our efforts to make university admissions fairer and fit for purpose for all students.
“Personal statements have become little more than barometers of middle-class privilege, disadvantaging applicants from poorer homes who do not benefit from the extra help provided by an army of advisers filling in the submissions.
“I’m afraid it is time to say goodbye to the university love letter that has been a key part of university applications for decades.

“No one should underestimate how important this reform will be in helping to level the playing field in university admissions. Statements currently add further advantage to middle-class applicants who are often given help in filling in their submissions.”
On its website, Charterhouse, a private school, says: “We offer guidance on choosing degree courses and universities as well as support on writing personal statements. We have dedicated specialists for Oxbridge, medical and law applications and applications for the USA.”
Cheltenham Ladies’ College, a private boarding school for girls, has a dedicated professional guidance centre which supports girls in their university applications.
Radley College, an independent boys’ boarding school, has a director of university entrance whose team provides “comprehensive guidance through the process of applying to UK universities through Ucas.”

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gogohmm · 12/01/2023 15:57

I just hope they don't insist on video as its potentially discriminatory against those without as good tech or neurodiverse.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/01/2023 15:59

gogohmm · 12/01/2023 15:57

I just hope they don't insist on video as its potentially discriminatory against those without as good tech or neurodiverse.

I was about to say this.

Also isn't it dumbing down a bit? Surely those reading the personal statements know full well from the applicants background who has been coached and who hasn't and should take it into account.

Do we really have so little faith that those about to enter university can write an essay?

bellinisurge · 12/01/2023 16:02

Video presentation is a horrific idea. In shock news it turns out that not every teenager does tiktoks

Ironoaks · 12/01/2023 16:16

I can see why UCAS is moving away from the traditional personal statement. It isn't a level playing field at the moment, and future applicants could get an AI app to write it for them.
I don't think a video presentation is the answer though. Firstly it would introduce more risk of bias, based both on the applicant's appearance and on how they sound. It would also present extra barriers for applicants with ASD, severe anxiety etc.

MissHavershamReturns · 12/01/2023 16:19

I think this is dreadful. Very worried about ds having to do this with ASD

EspeciallyDetermined · 12/01/2023 16:49

While we found the personal statement process hard for DS, he'd really struggle with video, being autistic and my younger DD is very shy, neither use video-messaging of any description.

EspeciallyDetermined · 12/01/2023 16:50

I mean they use zoom, teams etc OK. But neither use tiktok, or post videos on any other SM, both prefer normal phone calls to facetime.

Tree543 · 12/01/2023 16:51

Wow. This sounds much worse than the written personal statement.

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 16:53

The reality is that for most courses personal statements aren’t read and offers are made based on predicted grades. Uni admissions really won’t be interested in watching terrible videos that are as unreliable and lack value as the personal statement…or worse.

Choconut · 12/01/2023 17:00

While I think the questions are a good idea to keep personal statements relevant the video sounds hideous. DS has ASD and would absolutely hate it.

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 17:02

Oh and having looked at article it’s clear it will be for 2925 entry…that’s current Yr11 not yr12.

Not worth getting hung up on video. It’s just an idea although scrapping of OS seems decided.

What it seems to suggest is targeted Qs to replace personal statement. This will mean students write about relevant things. Those with more privilege will still have access to greater support in choosing courses, filling in the YCAS form and answering the new Qs. It’s inevitable. Personally I see this as something to reduce work of admissions tutors and a technique so they can say they are levelling playing field. Not sure it will make a vast difference.

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 17:03

Whoops! 2025! Otherwise a v long way off.

Vermin · 12/01/2023 17:06

Surely video messages will be even more discriminatory, mainly against neurodiverse kids? And just plain shy ones. If they think that the middle class kids who’ve had coaching for written statements aren’t simply going to shift to media training and camera / presentation skills (on top of content), they’re dreaming.

bellinisurge · 12/01/2023 17:06

If the whole problem with personal statements is that it's middle class heaven, how is a video any different? Plus, what about people who have trouble doing presentations. Which is most people.

GenuinelyDone · 12/01/2023 17:07

This will be a complete nightmare for my youngest. She loathes being photographed/videoed. The idea that she might not get a university place (admittedly 8 years in the future) because she doesn't want to be on camera so is therefore clearly uncomfortable and not her true self is awful.

WednesdaysPlaits · 12/01/2023 17:08

You're not telling me that DC who would have had good personal statements aren't simply going to write out and learn off by heart what they would have typed and then say that in their videos.

It's a ridiculous suggestion. DS2 is doing drama A Level so should be fine but there are lots of kids who don't like being recorded and aren't good at learning long chunks of script. It will actually benefit the kids from grammars and independent schools who are very used to public speaking and debating.

6poundshower · 12/01/2023 17:19

WednesdaysPlaits · 12/01/2023 17:08

You're not telling me that DC who would have had good personal statements aren't simply going to write out and learn off by heart what they would have typed and then say that in their videos.

It's a ridiculous suggestion. DS2 is doing drama A Level so should be fine but there are lots of kids who don't like being recorded and aren't good at learning long chunks of script. It will actually benefit the kids from grammars and independent schools who are very used to public speaking and debating.

This. Horrific idea.

FourTeaFallOut · 12/01/2023 17:23

Like an Elle Woods' Harvard University submission? 😁 Great.

WombatChocolate · 12/01/2023 17:33

Honestly, it’s not worth worrying about and will never happen.

This is the Press who love to jump on a throw-away passing thought from someone and make it into the headline. The real headline is Personal Statement to go.

This won’t happen. The scope for problems and it to be pretty much useless and riddled with flaws are so great, it will never happen.

Piggywaspushed · 12/01/2023 17:46

Detailed school references are also going. This is very good news for teacher workload.

I wouldn't get hung up on the video thing : the important bit is the focusing in the PS on information that is actually helpful and not 'I have worked as a shelf stacker in Aldi for 3 moths and this apparently makes me amazingly well rounded and fully prepared to do a degree in history'.

2DemisSVP · 12/01/2023 17:55

agree with what they’re doing. Basically introducing questions to provide scaffolding and structure for those who aren’t supported in their PSs. And changing the references is good too (they’re as long as the student’s personal statement , so it’s a massive effort if you’re a decent tutor). Having universities publish their actual entry grades rather than min they’ll take, is also helpful to students when choosing a course. But fundamentally while some schools continue to inflate predicted grades on which offers are based, it’s still tinkering around the edge. Tbf, ucas are trying with clearing and the other one (can’t remember what it’s called , but the one that lets you trade up on results ).

PuttingDownRoots · 12/01/2023 17:57

Won't video submission invoke unconscious bias in the selectors for accents (and even race)?

Written form... you can hide behind a screen. No one knows if you are from Newcastle or London, a recently arrive immigrant, young or old, make or female....

Piggywaspushed · 12/01/2023 17:59

The other one doesn't exist anymore!

Piggywaspushed · 12/01/2023 18:01

ps I can't remember what it was called...