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Engineering - Sheffield Uni for Sept or reapply to Cambridge?

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niceduvet · 23/08/2022 20:53

My DS was rejected after interview stage for Engineering at Cambridge for 2022 entry. Last week he found out he had achieved 4 x A* for his A' levels which was what he was predicted so he's very chuffed. His next choice after Cambridge was an Integrated Masters at Sheffield Uni - where he now has a place for this Sept. He's spent most of the summer hols on a voluntary mechanics placement abroad.

A friend (who has a child who went to Oxbridge) has recently commented that she really can't understand why he isn't taking a gap year and reapplying to Cambridge for 2023 entry due to his results. We haven't encouraged this so far as we're concerned that it would be demotivating if he didn't get in again and he'd have to sort out a productive gap year at short notice and study hard again for the entrance exam (which is what he fell down on last time we think by getting an average score). Obvs there are no guarantees but I'm now wondering if maybe she's got a point. DS would probably take a steer from us on this. He was disappointed about Cambridge and is fine about going to Sheffield.

I guess I could understand more if it was politics or law or something else, but do employers really care where you got your Engineering degree from and would a Cambridge Eng degree really give you enough of an advantage to be worth reapplying for? Sheffield does seem like a powerhouse for Engineering and is well regarded.

I know this is a nice problem to have, but would really appreciated some advice here as accommodation deadlines are now looming. Thanks!

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titchy · 23/08/2022 21:03

I'd stick with Sheffield. It's great for engineering, and going next year means he'd be on a plan 3 loan (40 years of repayments) rather than plan 2 (30 years).

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2022 21:04

Sheffield is excellent for engineering.

Congrats on the 4 A*s to your DS. Sometimes things aren't meant to be. Grasp the opportunities . As you say, I can't see that a Cambridge engineering degree adds huge value.

pastaandpesto · 23/08/2022 21:14

I could understand reapplying if he had achieved better results than predicted, but if he was predicted 4A*s then nothing has really changed - obviously you can't know for certain that he wouldn't get accepted this time round, but personally I think it sounds more likely than not that it would be the same outcome again.

Better to focus on moving forward than another year in limbo I reckon.

pastaandpesto · 23/08/2022 21:14

And what an amazing set of results BTW, congrats!

hellsbells99 · 23/08/2022 21:17

Sheffield is great for engineering so I would stick with that. Oxford and Cambridge have the reputation for being more theoretical so if he wants to be an engineer (and not go into finance or banking etc), I would pick Sheffield. The diamond building and other facilities are fab!

pinklavenders · 23/08/2022 22:03

I'd go to Sheffield this year.

I know several students who had similar predictions that were rejected from Cambridge Engineering - it's super competitive. I think the grades are less important than the Engaa test and interview. So if he was rejected this year, why would he do so much better next year?

niceduvet · 23/08/2022 22:26

He only had 2 months to prepare for the ENGAA as he was going to go for Natural Sciences originally and changed his mind right at the end of the summer last year. I suppose I'm half thinking if he had another year to prepare for that - he might do better on the test if he reapplied. But he may not.

His Zoom interview on the other hand seemed to go pretty well at the time - and they told him most of/if not all of his answers were correct. So who knows!

He does love the hands on practical stuff just as much as the theoretical stuff.

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Alysskea · 23/08/2022 22:37

Sheffield is really good for engineering and I had a fantastic time there - there is loads of support and good facilities

RampantIvy · 23/08/2022 22:48

This is a good reason to stick with Sheffield. It is highly regarded for engineering. The industry links are excellent.

Boosterquery · 23/08/2022 23:38

OP, given that your DS appears to have come to terms with not getting a place at Cambridge and is fine with going to Sheffield, I would say don't rock the boat by reopening the question of applying to Cambridge.

carefullycourageous · 23/08/2022 23:40

What does HE want to do? Bollocks to this friend of yours.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/08/2022 23:53

He does love the hands on practical stuff just as much as the theoretical stuff.

Maybe best stick to Sheffield then. My DD did go to Cambridge, she loved it (and is now an engineer as are many of her pals despite MN rumours they should all be in financeGrin) but it did seem a bit light on the practical side. If she hadn't got the Cambridge offer she'd have very happily gone to Southampton to do EEE with Sheffield as an insurance that she'd have been happy with too. It's an excellent uni for engineering, some employers might prefer it to Cambridge.

RampantIvy · 24/08/2022 06:38

despite MN rumours they should all be in finance

Or law Grin

clary · 24/08/2022 08:05

Agree with others, stick with what he has. No guarantees of Cambridge and yy Sheffield excellent for engineering. A friend's dd went there for eng and highly recommends it.

What does he want to do btw?

poetryandwine · 24/08/2022 10:11

Congratulations to your DS.

Writing as a former RG STEM admissions tutor, I fully agree with the posts above. Sheffield Engineering has a superb reputation and it sounds like it might be a better fit for his interests.

Most students perform best in the programme they most enjoy. Today’s young people will be facing some harsh realities when they graduate. A strong academic performance and some good work experience coupled with genuine enthusiasm will matter a lot.

Pattygonia · 24/08/2022 13:12

I think Sheffield is fantastic - my DD was really impressed with it - it was her insurance for engineering and she was almost hoping not to get the grades for her first choice.
So am absolutely not saying he won't have a fantastic time and do really well at Sheffield. Also think the key thing is - as previous posters say - what HE wants to do. But if the answer to that is that he has any lingering what-ifs/if only feeli s about Cambridge he should go for reapplying.

Experience at my kids independent school is that taking a year out and reapplying to oxbridge often works out well. It's similar to medicine - and again dds best friend didn't get in last year but got a place this time round. Obvs sometimes this doesn't work out - but it's definitely something that Is quite commonly done. Oxbridge definitely don't hold it against you if you apply a second time!

gtandme · 24/08/2022 13:59

It's a tricky one OP. You don't mention what HE is inclined to do? Don't worry about the neighbour. Nobody can tell him really. Has he actually mentioned to you about re-applying?

I'm probably slightly biased as I have a DS who applied to C with four A* - he was pooled but rejected. Got places at Durham, UCL, Exeter and Bath. But after results day when he achieved his predicted grades, he decided to take a gap year and was accepted to C in the following Jan. He had done a lot in terms of "super curriculars" by this point though. His PS was much better second time round. But not only that, the gap year experiences were the best thing he's ever did (in his words). They talked quite a lot about his voluntary work in the interview because by that time, he'd already been overseas for three months. He had about 5 friends from his school (quite well-known selective independent day school) who all reapplied to Oxbridge for various courses and all were successful second time around.

So IF your DS takes a gap year, I'd recommend having a clear plan and structure for it, so that it's worth doing in its own right, regardless of Oxbridge.

To be honest, I realise now (and so does DS) that he was in a very competitive school environment which, on occasions, bordered on toxic. Once he was out of all that, he realised what a nonsense the whole uni league tables thing is - first world problems for sure! He really grew up a lot in the six months since leaving school snd I know, even if Cambridge hadn't worked out again, he would have been 100% happy to go to UCL or elsewhere. It's amazing how, when they get out of their environment, the mindset changes!

Having said this, he's had an incredible year he would never otherwise have known. He's more mature and resilient now and I think he'll cope much better with uni. Well I hope so!

Its August now and the ENGAA and interviews will come around again in no time at all. It's possible he could have an unconditional from Cambridge (and other unis) by Jan. That's only 5 months and it flies by. Its so much easier applying second time around as they have a much better idea about the whole process, the different colleges, etc. No need to choose an insurance either. Unconditional offers are great because then they have months to enjoy the rest of the year and can really look forward to uni without exam stress.

Just in case you didn't know, for many courses at C, if you apply with at least three A* achieved, it's automatic pooling (which obviously means they are guaranteed an interview). I'm not sure if engineering is included though?

But ultimately it's up to him, My DS felt as if C was his dream so it was worth the second shot, otherwise he'd always have wondered "What if?" But your DS may not be that bothered. I think, all you can do is let him know you will support him either way and he will know what's right for him.

Congratulations to him on his results too!

Luredbyapomegranate · 24/08/2022 14:02

pastaandpesto · 23/08/2022 21:14

I could understand reapplying if he had achieved better results than predicted, but if he was predicted 4A*s then nothing has really changed - obviously you can't know for certain that he wouldn't get accepted this time round, but personally I think it sounds more likely than not that it would be the same outcome again.

Better to focus on moving forward than another year in limbo I reckon.

Ultimately it’s up to your son, and he should if he wants, but my thoughts would be as above. Sheffield has a strong reputation.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/08/2022 14:10

A quick Google suggests the 'compulsory pooling' was suspended last year for many ...
For subjects with a pre-interview assessment and Maths, compulsory pooling has been suspended for this year.

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6655586&page=96#post96126895

Probably if anyone is reapplying they should check with an admissions tutor to find out what's happening for the 2023 round, don't rely on MN or Student Room.

Radiatorvalves · 24/08/2022 14:14

My cousin has just graduated from Sheffield with a first in mech Eng. and I know another boy who has just finished first year. My nephew is about to start there. All hugely positive about it. I’d stick with Sheffield - and if your son is happy with Sheffield don’t rock the boat.

tribpot · 24/08/2022 14:14

My brother did engineering at Sheffield many years ago and is now a very senior figure in the automotive industry, so I'm sure he'd champion Sheffield. Plus as @titchy says, this is not the year to defer a place given the change in the loan scheme. Cambridge's loss is Sheffield's gain!

pinklavenders · 24/08/2022 15:18

Just in case you didn't know, for many courses at C, if you apply with at least three A achieved, it's automatic pooling*

My dc had predicted (and then achieved) 4 A stars and had apply to Cambridge Engineering. He did well in Engaa and enjoyed the interview, but was ultimately rejected (and not pooled).

He's about to start at Imperial, which he's very excited about.

Op, there's lots of excellent candidates applying with 4 A stars. Did your son attend an underperforming school? That might help his application?

gtandme · 24/08/2022 15:27

pinklavenders - do you mean your DS applied to Cambridge with 4 A actually achieved or 4 A predicted?

Congratulations to him on his Imperial place.

I do agree with Errol that last year was different and they suspended compulsory pooling for some subjects due to grade inflation. Not sure whether it will go back to normal or not next year?

gtandme · 24/08/2022 15:34

A star that should read.

pinklavenders · 24/08/2022 17:19

He was in year 13 when he applied, so his grades were predicted. He subsequently achieved those predictions, but was rejected after the interview.