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OR 22 - Edinburgh, Warwick, St A, UCL, Durham, Nottingham, Bath and more

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Valleyofthedollymix · 28/03/2022 09:16

Following on from the Oxbridge rejects thread but I've got rid of those two words. I for one am interested to know where they all end up and when Durham might finally deign to reject/offer DS...

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Delphigirl · 11/06/2022 14:42

Whoops attached the wrong quote but you know what I’m referring to!!

CaliforniaDrumming · 11/06/2022 15:07

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 11/06/2022 09:12

@Stockpot My Dd is very similar especially with English lit, we've had floods of tears before now and it has been fine.

History wasn't so good yesterday questions that weren't on the advanced info. A particularly tricky one about Kennedy and the space mission. She managed it but not in the detail she would've felt happy with. Dd insurance for Notts is ABB and she would go but will be gutted if she didn't meet her Bath offer.

She is off to Majorca the day after her last exam and it's the only thing she is focusing on!

I think humanities subjects are tough to estimate because there is no one answer

My DS's insurance is Notts too. Personally I think it is gorgeous.

Piggywaspushed · 11/06/2022 15:49

I'm still here, lurking! No interesting news. DS stoical as ever, which is a good thing because there has been a furore about sociology. His response: meh.

He just never stops revising really during office hours. Test match on today and he hasn't watched a single ball. He will probably stop at about 5.

Two more exams Monday, then a big gap til final exam on the Tudors.

I must say everything I read online suggests Cambridge didn't spot the famed required work ethic and dedication!

CaliforniaDrumming · 11/06/2022 16:07

Another Cambridge reject here and DS hasn't left his room for months to revise! But it is all for the best. Daily exams next week interspersed with possible tube strikes.

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 11/06/2022 16:54

@CaliforniaDrumming Notts was actually my fave. Politics department came across so exciting and inspiring. HOD a young American Prof and she sold it so well, personally I wish she'd have firmed it as Bath is so ££££.

@Piggywaspushed DD hasn't left her room for ages, just grafts & grafts. She's looking very pale! She is looking forward to burning her History notes very soon 😂

Eightytwenty · 11/06/2022 17:54

Sorry you guys are still stuck in the middle of exams. DS is now working pretty full time and is building up a bit of a nascent social life. He’s looking forward to end of school social activities and prize giving.

Anyone see this? I don’t think it will a surprise!

www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jun/11/first-post-covid-school-leavers-face-fight-for-fewer-university-places?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR2y-D4dA6S7VRVQvF6e6bbSifNdwYy0-EO0G1eO2PJqg3ppo-OUzz6QQ1E

Whorules · 11/06/2022 18:13

@Eightytwenty Very interesting. DS is applying next year and we have noticed the entry requirements for his preferred Unis (Notts, Cardiff, Liverpool) for CS have shot up too - bloody nightmare!

Puffalicious · 11/06/2022 21:44

Eightytwenty Not a surprise and hugely upsetting for so many kids.

Likewise, DS is working 40 hours a week and is out constantly at gigs/ parties. He's looking forward to doing the NC500 this week in our camper and his lads' Greek holiday in July. Exactly what they should be doing. Oh, and Prom was brilliant.

All those still in the midst of exams- hang in there!

Geamhradh · 12/06/2022 13:51

Afternoon all, popping in finally to see how we (and our wonderful ORs are doing!)

I no longer have a school student, but one caught in that limbo between school finishing (last Tuesday amidst popping corks and a pool party and a few nostalgic tears) and exams starting. Language exams (English as requested by Bath) done on Wednesday, Chinese (just because the rest of the class were doing it) yesterday. Driving test on Thursday (wouldn't want to miss out on any potential stress now, would we!!) and then the big ones on 22nd and 23rd. Dd is utterly unbearable and I want to book into a hotel. <this too shall pass>

Thanks to the wonderful @TangoWhiskyAlphaTango and mini Tango, dd is now in a host of chat groups for Bath freshers 2022 and exam stress notwithstanding, can't wait. Last update from Bath itself was that they offer a free bus shuttle at the beginning of freshers' week for those coming in from abroad. I'd envisaged taking her myself, but this sounds infinitely preferable, she'll get to meet other people on the buses, I won't embarrass her by my weeping motherly presence. Win-win. She's done accommodation choices (involving lots of spreadsheets and pros and cons) but haven't sent them in yet, and SF is applied for but I'm envisaging being asked for translation of documents. They didn't ask at the outset, so I'll wait until they do. Was bloody minefield and I ended up sending the 15 page paper form as dd didn't fit into any category (plus ca change) on the online one.

@Shimy I was saying to dd just yesterday that I still prefer the UK system of applying then doing the exams and seeing if the results get you what you've already asked for (iyswim) but she says that's just because it's the system I went through, which is probably also true! It does seem odd to me though that some of my students have already been to unis and found flats etc for October while others will "sit the test for medicine" in September for October intake! (medicine is really an odd one here- the "private" universities have already done their tests, the "state" ones will do them in September. (state doesn't mean free- it just means not as expensive as private) I wonder what happens if they fail the state test in September- though all mine that have failed (the majority, it's a massively over subscribed thing) do biology or nursing science. Some try again after one year of another course. Some don't pass the test in one region and go to another. I have a student who failed here, but passed in Sicily, so is in Palermo.

Re: the Scottish 4 year system- although St. Andrews (eventually, end of May!) rejected dd, <boo hiss> the 4 year system was the reason she so liked the look of it. I suppose eventually it boils down to personal preferences, but I, who knew nothing about the system until dd taught me Grin thought it looked wonderful. All those interesting subjects to dabble in at a higher level and with YOU choosing, and THEN making final decisions after dabbling is done. Sounds pretty perfect to me, and in my next reincarnation, that's where I'll go.

That's my essay finished! Grin Congratulations to all those who have finished, and good luck to those still going and blimeyheck to all those now thinking of deferring! Wishing splendid and safe holidays to those off celebrating the end! Dd will be coming with me to the study holiday job in July and August - she's got an Activity Leader contract so can start saving up for ££££ Bath!

Volterra · 12/06/2022 14:00

If anyone is happy to share details of the Bath chat groups I’d be really grateful 🙂Doubt I can get DS to use them but you never know, there’s a small matter of getting the grades still though. 7 more exams still, I wouldn’t like to call how it will go.

Geamhradh · 12/06/2022 14:16

@Volterra
I'll send you a PM and we'll get our girls to get him into the chats. I'm eternally grateful for Tango and MiniTango doing it for DD as it really helped to make it real for her.
She's in a couple of general ones and also a politics and international relations one. What is ds going to do?
I'll message you now!

Volterra · 12/06/2022 14:55

Great, thanks so much 🙂

Puffalicious · 12/06/2022 19:33

Great update Geamhradh. Lovely to hear your news. We're still on the to defer or not defer fence- I can't bear it so am refusing to think about it (top tactic😉).

Volterra · 15/06/2022 16:33

Very painful Further Maths paper this afternoon according to DS. They all found awful which is something I guess as he needs an A in it.

Puffalicious · 15/06/2022 21:51

Interestingly, the Advanced Higher Maths (Further Maths Equivalent) here in Scotland was reported by all as 'solid'. DS1's teacher said he'd never seen the like of one particular question. Why do they do that? They're just kids.

Xenia · 15/06/2022 21:55

For those worried, it all works out fine in the end. Eg one of mine went to Nottingham, had a very good time, loved it, and is doing well as a London lawyer. In other words Durham v Nottingham is not some huge difference in terms of graduate jobs and future life chances and pay. (Eg City law firms Durham 6.2% and Nottingham 4.5% - hardly any difference www.chambersstudent.co.uk/where-to-start/newsletter/law-firms-preferred-universities-2019 )

Good luck to those doing A levels (as indeed is my niece currently). My twins (student age) had their last exam ever last week, so this is the past for us now (unless there are re-sits)

Valleyofthedollymix · 16/06/2022 09:18

Doesn't maths have quite low grade boundaries @Volterra ? Something crazy like 50% for A? And no doubt even more so for Further Maths. Good for your dc for doing it at least - DS was very pragmatic about the marginal benefits of doing a fourth so quickly dumped it when I think he should have perservered.

It's so long and drawn out. It seems obvious to me that they shouldn't have so much time devoted to GSCE/year 11 exams as the Times education commission has just said. Feels like such a waste of time. These last five weeks have dragggggggged for everyone in the house.

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Valleyofthedollymix · 16/06/2022 09:18

Oh and because of the age distribution of my three children, we'll have five consecutive years of GSCEs and A levels. Sigh.

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Puffalicious · 16/06/2022 09:39

Gosh Valley is that right about the grade boundaries? I had no idea they were different for different subjects! That is not common knowledge to us North of the border. Here the grade boundaries are across the board:
A Band 1 85%+
A Band 2 70% +
B Band 3 65%+
B Band 4 60% +
C Band 5 55% +
C Band 6 50% +
D Band 7 FAIL (some colleges will give some points)
Band 9 No AWARD

There's also special awards for 95% +

Each year there's a little movement depending on how hard/ straightforward the paper has been after all papers are marked. e.g. pass mark may be 47% or 53%.

I'm aghast that someone could get an A based on a 50% performance! Is this the same for other subjects too? It seems like sheer madness- my mind is blown.

Volterra · 16/06/2022 09:41

I think what pisses me off @Puffalicious is they haven’t exactly had a smooth ride the lady couple of years. I’m not saying make A levels easy, just not ridiculous. DS said comments he heard yesterday were along the lines of ‘I’ve done STEP papers easier than that ‘ and ‘after I went through the first time I had to consider if it was worth staying in the exam’.

DS dropped computer science thankfully @Valleyofthedollymix so only has 5 papers left including physics he is currently in, rather than 6 as it could have been if he had stuck with 4 A levels. He had projects to do too and 4 with projects, extra curricular modules and not being well was a bit much and he hadn’t regretted dropping one. I really hope the grade boundaries are low for FM ! Can’t wait to get him home tomorrow and see how he is as it’s hard to tell from messages. He has sounded ok and seems quite pragmatic about it all, hope that is the case .

Just one more week...

cosenza · 16/06/2022 09:55

As I understand it, there are no fixed grade boundaries for GCSE and A-level and it varies every year? They just take the top x% for an A star, the next x% for an A and so on. Some years, the papers are more difficult than others.

Also, year on year, a higher percentage of students receive A star in Maths and STEM subjects because of the more 'binary' nature of the questions (ie. either right or wrong); whereas in humanities, marking may be more subjective. This is why many STEM courses ask for 2 or 3 A stars where humanities courses will only be asking for one. It's because a significantly higher percentage of STEM / Maths papers are marked at A star than humanities ones.

CaliforniaDrumming · 16/06/2022 10:05

DS takes 4 A levels so it all seems endless at this point. However this week his papers ( OCR) weren't so bad as last year, and one was even "good." He looks very tired though, is eating very little, and has developed calluses on his fingers.

I expect the grade boundaries for his FM Maths will be low as everyone found it tough.

Tube strike next week too :(

CaliforniaDrumming · 16/06/2022 10:06

Sorry, I meant his papers this week were not so bad as last week! When everything was hideous.

My DH has a background in maths and even he says the standard is so very high, more college level.

Volterra · 16/06/2022 10:08

Yes I think you are right consenza on all counts. I expect (hope) the grade boundary will be low for yesterday’s paper. The maths paper the day before was very different and think that will have higher boundary.

I think one year the grade boundary for Maths for one of the boards was very very low - about 55% from memory but varies quite a bit I think depending on the board, subject and year.

This is Year the plan is to put the number of A star and As midway between the numbers in 2019 and 2021 I think as acknowledgement that there has been a lot of disruption.

CaliforniaDrumming · 16/06/2022 10:16

I agree that the kids should have been given an easier time of it given the disruption, but I am an international and have friends across the world and it appears every exam board is awful this year:(

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