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Oxford and Cambridge current students

988 replies

sandybayley · 09/03/2021 20:41

Nearly filled up the old one...

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Ironoaks · 10/04/2021 16:53

@RosamundAtherton well said.

Especially agree with this:...

I don’t see why in a worst case scenario, the students can’t go back and live in their household bubbles like Michaelmas Term, and have their teaching online.

And this aspect is particularly frustrating...

I cannot understand why there is so much variation across colleges.

EllieFredrickson · 10/04/2021 17:50

We've had a day out today. Taken DD about an hour to meet 3 of her flatmates for a cold and wet walk and lunch. DH and I went for a walk elsewhere. They are all struggling - email from their O college principal who sounds mightily pissed off saying no decisions now until 21st. DD writing to our useless tow the line Tory MP (but he ignores difficult questions and normally doesn't respond as DH has found). Her friends also writing to MPs - hopefully some anger will grow and get some momentum. I find it difficult as I have a reasonably high profile job (and an unusual name) which means I can't put my head above the parapet so easily without it possibly impacting at work.

blimppy · 10/04/2021 18:20

I too am at a complete loss to explain the different approaches between colleges and universities. The damage being done to these young adults is appalling and increasing unjustified given the vaccination programme and falling hospitalisation and death rates. I really feel for those still stuck at home without any certainty of when they get to return. And I cannot see any justification for not resuming face to face small tutorials and supervisions. Windows open, masks on - much less challenging to do in a covid safe way than what we are seeing in schools!

Wreckofthehespers · 10/04/2021 18:33

@ EllieFredrickson
I know what you mean about head above the parapet.

The students are in a vulnerable position. It means there are no human interest stories appearing the press about those who have been left out of the return to university ... they have their futures to think about and don't want their prospects harmed. So no pressure building to support them.

The Government and the university - Oxford particularly it seems- should be ashamed that they are taking advantage of the vulnerability of these young people and abandoning them without any concern for their academic potential or their mental health.

And as for asking them to take up NHS resources to obtain 'proof' that their mental welfare is suffering when it is perfectly obvious that anyone forced to work alone for 4 months, stuck their bedroom will be adversely affected .... that's reprehensible. Colleges that take that tack are cynically using the NHS to keep as many students as they can out.

Unescorted · 10/04/2021 18:38

Ahh OK Iron... I had in my head he was doing Chemistry as a single subject.

Blimppy don't get me started on the reopening of pubs, non essential shops and cramming onto aeroplanes before we hear about students resuming courses. It is almost as if this Gov't thinks there might be more votes in it.

Crummles · 10/04/2021 18:43

I agree with Malbecfan 's earlier post

At my dc Oxford college, there is

A poorly equipped and tiny kitchen
No marquee
Hardly anyone to talk to - her friend was the only fresher in the college during Easter weekend
Rent charges (admittedly at a reduced rate, but even so)

This has been going on since January

PantTwizzler · 10/04/2021 20:14

Thanks for the many kind comments, suggestions, and sympathy for my DS. I was up until the small hours doom-Googling various other options for him but I think for the moment he wants to stick it out. He’s not desperate to go back to Cambridge in person, and I don’t blame him: what’s the attraction of an expensive prison cell?

DD’s college is going through the motions of making her jump through hoops for permission to return. The chaplain is the one deciding (!) and he intimated that tutor support was a key element — so DD has emailed her tutor who agrees that she has solid grounds to return. I must say that her college is infinitely better than DS’s in terms of pastoral support and although I have only two to compare, it’s noteworthy that the less “posh”, non-central college is taking far better care of the students that the fancy, rich college in the centre.

I’m not famous and I have a common name. What can I do that you celebs can’t?! I’ve written to my MP who is very supportive and has written to the government. I’ve written to Boris and got the same crappy response as everyone else. Time for a naked protest outside the Radcliffe Camera?!

PantTwizzler · 10/04/2021 20:16

Oh, and PS: the idea that the government can’t make any announcements because Prince Philip has died is absolutely preposterous. (But RIP of course.)

sandybayley · 10/04/2021 20:23

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/577166

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sandybayley · 10/04/2021 20:24

Won't do any good but here's a petition to sign

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goodbyestranger · 10/04/2021 22:18

Wtf haven't I got a reply from Boris?

Maybe I was a little direct....

Hoghgyni · 10/04/2021 22:20

Perhaps he's been too busy ruffling his hair and telling everyone that he won't be going to the funeral. Important stuff.

goodbyestranger · 10/04/2021 22:20

Only 854 signatures - not many.

goodbyestranger · 10/04/2021 22:21

I'm taking it very personally Hoghgyni.

PantTwizzler · 10/04/2021 22:22

It was from the DfE @goodbyestranger... I think someone posted it upthread. IIRC you penned your letter a day or two after me.

goodbyestranger · 10/04/2021 22:22

And for goodness sake using PP is bang out of order, The guy was 99.

goodbyestranger · 10/04/2021 22:24

Ah maybe I did PantTwizzler. Well if I don't get something by Monday I shall regard it as the height of ill manners.

PantTwizzler · 10/04/2021 22:33

Maybe the relevant civil servant is having compassionate leave after PP’s death. Hmm

EllieFredrickson · 10/04/2021 22:50

Pant - I'm no celebrity - but frustratingly sometimes we need the local MP to help escalate things in Whitehall, although never sure how much good it really does. I'm just frustrated I can't vent my anger at the useless #**#er that ours is (South Cambs if you want to look him up - some charming views).

DD has had email from JCR president at her O college. Apparently JCRs working together to try and make some noise on the issue. College wants them back it seems but scared of going against guidance.

One of DD's flatmates during a music degree. Not 'practical' enough to be allowed back!

Pepermintea · 10/04/2021 22:55

I'm wondering how we can get that petition more widely circulated. I've shared it on FB, but it really needs 1000s of signatures to have any kind of impact

ErrolTheDragon · 10/04/2021 23:35

@Pepermintea

I'm wondering how we can get that petition more widely circulated. I've shared it on FB, but it really needs 1000s of signatures to have any kind of impact
Are students sharing it? I'd have thought they could get it to spread.
Hoghgyni · 11/04/2021 07:40

It's posted on Oxfess, but students themselves need to start sharing it on Insta etc.

mutterphore · 11/04/2021 09:25

If Cambridge (according to DS1) is now allowing students back en masse, just via filling out a brief questionnaire, then why won't Oxford follow suit? Of course it might just be some Cambridge colleges interpreting the VC's email in a particular way.

DS2 is still convinced he'll be allowed back to his Oxford college and that it's only a matter of time before he hears. Do I prepare him for the worst case scenario or let him continue to believe in and trust the powers that be at his college? He doesn't want me to voice the pessimistic view and won't countenance it as it's just too awful to contemplate.

It's incredibly difficult as a parent. After all the efforts our DCs put in to gaining places at O and C, it's as if the 'prize' has been withdrawn from them and there's no certainty about when it might be returned and in what form.

Meanwhile - and this may sound very selfish - am I the only one not looking forward to yet another 6 months with DC at home? Of course I love having them close by and we get on very well but I imagined I'd be able to begin rediscovering some of my old life and creating a new one, once they'd left school and instead, it's now been almost 2 years of still having them both here - what with the gap years ruined and so far, only a very brief 8 weeks first term of them away.

Can I put in a personal request to the colleges that mum needs to stop sharing the one functioning yet slightly faulty shower, enduring the incredibly late get up time of DS1 - halfway through my entire working day - and still largely making all meals and doing all laundry as well as being the only one earning any money! I'm joking really and trying to find some humour in a rather dire situation. Off to sign the petition....

Hoghgyni · 11/04/2021 09:31

The Observer has an article today on the impact on student mental health. Student Minds & Universities UK are emphasising the ridiculousness of people being allowed to go on a self catering holiday from tomorrow, but students not being allowed to go to their accommodation. The Observer says "they understand that a decision on the issue is likely to be announced by the end of this week."

SnapSnapDragon · 11/04/2021 10:27

I've signed the petition although in reality I don't want them to announce their decision, I want them to make the right decision.