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Any thoughts on the future of Erasmus?
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GlitterBiscuits · 16/12/2020 08:39

I wondered if anyone had any insider knowledge on what might happen?
Anyone with DC thinking about doing it?

My DS wants to go to an EU Uni in September 2021. I think it's in jeopardy at the moment

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Moominmammacat · 16/12/2020 09:00

I have no knowledge but a DS as PG in Germany at the moment. I suspect it's over if you're not in already. It is utterly, utterly sad. There has been talk of the UK setting up a worldwide scheme, no doubt a world beating, world wide scheme, but I would not trust these lying charlatans to set up a tea party.

However, we haven't actually got much money from Erasmus, as UG too, so maybe you can just go for it, as ever if you can afford it.

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titchy · 16/12/2020 10:21

If you mean for his year abroad then yes very much in jeopardy.

If to study the entire degree then assuming you can afford overseas fees and maintenance no problem.

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GlitterBiscuits · 16/12/2020 10:55

It's the year abroad.
Lots of degrees offer this. It's such a shame that it's not being publicised.

I think more people go on these scheme than are involved in the fishing industry, which we hear about.

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titchy · 16/12/2020 11:07

@GlitterBiscuits

It's the year abroad.
Lots of degrees offer this. It's such a shame that it's not being publicised.

I think more people go on these scheme than are involved in the fishing industry, which we hear about.

The agreement over fishing rights is in dispute. Membership of Erasmus isn't.
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stella1know · 16/12/2020 11:10

I don’t think Erasmus will continue to accept British students after Brexit comes into force. It is funded by the EU. There may be other partnerships with European universities but these first have to be organised, and the funding sorted.

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GlitterBiscuits · 16/12/2020 11:18

Titchy I'm aware but potentially more people are involved in Erasmus than the fishing industry.
I think there was a bit of publicity on Erasmus then people would realise what is being thrown away.

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grey12 · 16/12/2020 11:19

Erasmus is very popular in Europe

But I did read somewhere that UK would be out of loop unfortunately.....

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titchy · 16/12/2020 11:27

@GlitterBiscuits

Titchy I'm aware but potentially more people are involved in Erasmus than the fishing industry.
I think there was a bit of publicity on Erasmus then people would realise what is being thrown away.

There's FAR FAR FAR more being thrown away than Erasmus! You're obviously only aware because it's an opportunity that will possibly be denied for your dc, but very very few will be affected compare to those affected by WTO tariffs.
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GlitterBiscuits · 16/12/2020 11:59

I am aware of things titchy. I'm just trying to make a point on the Higher Ed board.
Nobody talks about the educational impacts.

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titchy · 16/12/2020 12:14

Oh I agree! (Forgot this was in HE. Blush)

Access to research collaborations is also a massive issue.

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indigoemerald · 16/12/2020 12:28

Whether Erasmus+ funding will be available for the 2021-22 academic year will depend on the UK university your DS is at.

UK unis generally apply for the Erasmus+ funding about a year in advance of when it will be given to the students, and the funding has an 'expiry date' of when it has to be used by. The exact expiry date will depend on when the UK uni applied for the funding.

At the moment, any funding which was applied for before 31st December 2020 can be given to students even once we are no longer in the EU. Some universities will have funding available until 31st May 2022 but some unis will only have funding for the remainder of the current academic year. Your DS' uni should have information on their website.

I agree that I am not confident we will be in future versions of Erasmus though, and I'm also not confident that a 'worldwide' programme would be set up!

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GCAcademic · 16/12/2020 14:23

Erasmus is underpinned by the principle of freedom of movement. Switzerland was suspended from the scheme by the EU a few years ago when the country voted in anti-immigration measures. So I can't see that the UK could be a participant after this year.

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Phphion · 16/12/2020 15:34

According to the Guardian, the Erasmus scheme is still in dispute because the UK have asked to continue to fund student exchanges but not the other co-operation actions (which mainly involve academics) and the EU have said all or nothing.

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2magpies1pigeon · 16/12/2020 15:39

Barking mad - is the government so against our universities being competitive and bringing in funding?
DC wants to do modern languages, and I'm wondering what the options will be for her. We don't have much money, so need to find something cheap.

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MarchingFrogs · 16/12/2020 20:48

Whether Erasmus+ funding will be available for the 2021-22 academic year will depend on the UK university your DS is at.

DD is a second year at Birmingham and has been told that her year in France next year will be through Erasmus.
www.birmingham.ac.uk/international/study-abroad/study-abroad-outgoing/apply.aspx

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TheDrsDocMartens · 16/12/2020 21:04

Dd1 was told her year abroad was last one but she’s not gone because of Covid.

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cologne4711 · 17/12/2020 09:35

The EU has approved the new Erasmus scheme this week - they want more people from underprivileged backgrounds to take advantage.

As for UK students, they can still study at EU universities. I don't know what the Erasmus scheme actually offers these days but when I studied with it, I received a grant for the year of about 800 ecu (pre-euro). The money was helpful but didn't make the difference between being able to go or not.

I don't believe that any university has said this year was the last one - every university ds has looked at is offering international options, even for courses not involving modern languages. It will be more bureaucratic, eg needing to get a study visa but it will still happen. If you are studying MFL there are other options too such as working as a language assistant via the British Council.

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2magpies1pigeon · 17/12/2020 11:05

It will presumably be much more expensive for less well off students. I expect it to have a big impact on my DC, but we will try to find a decent solution for her - it will be a challenge, that's for sure.

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TheDrsDocMartens · 17/12/2020 17:07

Not the last year to go abroad, the last year of Erasmus funding at that university.
They do have a Brexit plan and were chosen because they were the only course when we did open days in 2017 who could say what would happen.

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stayingaliveisawayoflife · 17/12/2020 17:11

We did exchange visits through Erasmus to Primary schools in Europe. That has now stopped. COVID stopped our last visit to Istanbul and now the funding has gone.

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PresentingPercy · 18/12/2020 00:41

DD got Erasmus funding years ago. I seem to remember we still paid our contribution to her and Erasmus paid for her hall of residence (in Switzerland!) and a room in a flat in Bologna. We didn’t expect Erasmus to cover everything and we paid for flights to and fro. I think some universities are working privately with their foreign universities to try and see what can be done. We are such a monumentally foolish nation!

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GCAcademic · 24/12/2020 17:09

Barnier saying he regrets the U.K. government’s decision not to continue as Erasmus partners. Fucking twats.

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LIZS · 24/12/2020 17:12

The Turing scheme anyone? Dd v disappointed re Erasmus.

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GlitterBiscuits · 24/12/2020 17:28

Turing scheme is for doctoral students I think. So not as many participants.

Very upset here over Erasmus.
Did no one in Cabinet benefit from the scheme?
Yet another short sighted decision.

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QueenoftheAir · 24/12/2020 18:23

Barnier saying he regrets the U.K. government’s decision not to continue as Erasmus partners. Fucking twats

Total effing bastards.

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