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Medicine 2021 - Part 3

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SATSmadness · 27/11/2020 12:35

Hoping for interviews and offers all round, now and well into next year !

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Needmoresleep · 20/02/2021 22:06

mumsneedwine are they allowed to intercalate externally from Nottingham? Or otherwise what sort of subject range do they offer. Completing in two terms sounds really tough. DD is finding getting a BSc in a year, even with a compulsory summer school is a challenge, and is having to work a lot harder than she did in Bristol. (Though absolutely absorbing.) The London medical schools in particular offer some really good options. Bristol has expertise in some academic areas (childhood studies, medical ethics, neuroscience and others) but not everything.

But it depends. About half intercalate in Bristol, but it is not for everyone. It is still a useful option to have.

mumsneedwine · 20/02/2021 22:12

@Needmoresleep it's been a lot of work but DD1 has loved it. Lots of choices on what to do and how to do it. DD did her dissertation on obstetric/neonatal stuff (I read it but didn't understand a word), but her flatmates did public health and virology. Lots of optional modules too. Normally they'd now be on holiday for 2 weeks as done viva and getting ready for CP1. But I can see that studying somewhere new must be good too. DD2 loves Bristol !

mumsneedwine · 20/02/2021 22:14

Sorry, yes has to be in Notts or partner hospitals. But QMC is 2nd biggest hospital in England so gives lots of opportunities. And JVT is professor there 😊

Needmoresleep · 20/02/2021 22:19

In Bristol you start your six months placements after the second year. The majority, because of the hospitals they have, are not commutable, but generally in nice places, and some scope to save on accommodation if you have two out placements. Their placements seem more varied than some of the London hospitals, but not as far flung as those in Wales. (Lots of Welsh and Northern Irish students at Bristol.) The medical school seems to rely on a certain proportion having cars and giving lifts. DD had a rural placement with a once an hour bus in her first year. She was having to get up at 6.00am to be there for 9.00am, after which we caved and bought her a small used car.

One thing to watch for is that Bristol seemed to have three week pre-sessional courses or summer placements (DD was supposed to spend last summer in the Alps) which meant summer holidays were shorter, so less earning potential. Indeed DD wound up last summer essentially doing her (on-line) summer placement and her intercalation summer school at the same time. People do manage to work during term times/holidays but it is not easy.

Needmoresleep · 20/02/2021 22:24

Still curious. What intercalations do they offer. Presumably epidemiology or immunology if JVT is the Professor. Emergency medicine? Public health? And are they all in hospitals, or are some academic. Certainly the ability to take the course she is doing in London was a key reason for DD to choose Bristol. She was very torn between that and medicine, then discovered she could do both.

mumsneedwine · 20/02/2021 22:31

@Needmoresleep it's a v wide choice. Normally lots would be in hospitals but this year mostly research due to pesky virus. Quite a few COVID related ones this year, working with JVT team. But can do pretty much any area you want. DD hoping to be published.

Needmoresleep · 20/02/2021 22:37

Ah I saw you answered. Do they really give out a BSc in two terms? How do they physically have time for the academic stuff and the lab work, and what do they do if they are interested in academic medicine and want to go onto a Masters or PhD? DD is pretty much fully timetabled and she will still take 10 months. And how do they make up the two terms. My understanding was that Bristol used the full summer term and then more, because it is a five year course so a lot to get through.

DD has been comparing notes with her peers in London, and there are real differences, and clearly Nottingham is different again. Lots more exams in London, and these can be tough. However attendance, including the volunteering and HCA shifts is compulsory at Bristol. You don’t turn up, you fail. The London placements are all commutable, they thought it strange to spend six months at a time in hospital accommodation.

I think the medicine and veterinary courses are run completely separately. The medical school is quite proud of its independence from the University.

MaddieElla · 20/02/2021 22:48

Wow, didn't know that about JVT. Shock

mumsneedwine · 20/02/2021 22:53

@MaddieElla one of DDs friends was vaccinating last weekend, looked up and saw JVT was vaccinating right next to her.

SATSmadness · 20/02/2021 22:59

@redtulip12 and @bimkom such good news and very uplifting to hear of dc with offers !

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mumsneedwine · 20/02/2021 23:01

@Needmoresleep not a clue about most of it. Just know DD will have a BMedSci degree. And has enjoyed learning about her project as she likes obstetrics.
Can't comment on Bristol med school vs vet as this year has been anything but normal. But as a Uni they have tried their best to look after the students.

redtulip12 · 20/02/2021 23:13

Thank you @mumsneedwine @Needmoresleep really useful info. Didn't know that about JVT either!

redtulip12 · 20/02/2021 23:15

@SATSmadness thank you. I hope some more of our DC's hear back from their choices soon, it's such a long wait!

Monkey2001 · 21/02/2021 08:49

Congratulations on the offers. Glitterball

Interesting to hear about how differently things are done at various universities. One of the nice things about St Andrews is that the medicine students have the same term times and holiday as normal undergraduates, I know that in many/most the holidays get shorter and shorter from the second year, is it Imperial where they end up with a 54 week year - starting in June or July?

Leicester also allow you to intercalate outside the university.

Millylovespuddles · 21/02/2021 08:54

Happy news on the offer front - well done and here's to more rolling in soon.

emummy · 21/02/2021 11:21

I went Edinburgh for medicine @Monkey2001; from 3rd year on we got 2 weeks summer holiday and 2 weeks at Christmas. Good practice for working I guess!

bimkom · 21/02/2021 11:34

@mumneedswine Needsmoresleep's question is actually one that DS has been wondering about. If he incalcated as per normal at Nottingham end of year 2, beginning of year 3, could he take another year and go somewhere different between end of year 3 and year 4? He wondered if one could do a masters that way, on the grounds he would already have his Bsc. He knows there are now no points, but thinks he might want to anyway (although he does wonder if the range of courses on offer might drop, if the numbers drop who are incalcating, because of the lack of points). Has your DD heard of anybody doing that?

mumsneedwine · 21/02/2021 11:48

@bimkom not at Notts I don't think, but he should ask them directly. From now until Feb of year 5 students are doing CP1 & 2 so pretty much working full time. They have 6 weeks holiday a year and exams and studying too. It's tough.

mumsneedwine · 21/02/2021 11:50

@bimkom sorry what I'm trying to say is there is no end of year 3/start of year 4 that would fit. CP1 is for a year and CP2 as well (I think), so year 4 starts now and year 5 next Feb. They then qualify the following Feb (why Notts Drs could be graduated early last to enter NHS earlier).

opoponax · 21/02/2021 12:10

Congratulations to those DC with Nottingham offers. Great news.

Cleanmean · 21/02/2021 12:38

@bimkom and @redtulip12 absolutely fantastic news!! I know from when my ds got his offer I could see him physically and mentally relax. It's such a huge relief for them. Navigating this year has not been easy. Really hoping everyone ok this thread hears back sooner rather than later.

We're almost into March!

Needmoresleep · 21/02/2021 13:03

My comment about the advantages of Bristol flexibility on intercalation was intended to be useful. DD is lucky. Many medical schools do not allow external intercalation, or such intercalations are limited only to the top 10% of the year group. It has meant that she has had the advantages of a more hands on medical course (she is very dyslexic so practical suits) but then the chance of an additional year specialising in the area she is most interested in, at a department that is probably ranked top in Europe.

She also has the odd advantage over internal students that the mark she gets will not impact on her Bristol degree, whereas it does for internal students for whom intercalation is part of a six year degree. This means she has been able to take the harder, albeit clinically useful, options, mainly accessed by non medic Masters students, and not worry about what grade she ends up with. She says there are 5 PhD places available, but that as an external the flexibility would not exist for her to apply. Which is fine. She is content to complete her medical degree and then decide next steps. Assuming she does get a good grade (and she has worked very hard, and because of Covid, with few distractions) the door would be open to apply for a Masters, either in London or the US.

Essentially she is back to where she was at sixth form and the decision of whether to be a doctor or go into an allied field. She might well end up as a doctor within a multi disciplinary team.

I was probing the Nottingham intercalation, as it is often proposed as the best of all worlds. However previous discussion seems to suggest, from people probably know more than me, that the Nottingham BMedSci degree is not the same as a BSc and did not give as many points (when intercalations provided points.)

Bristol, and presumably other medical schools, factor in time for extended work. So for three weeks before the start of her second year, DD was in a group tracking a life long disease, through diagnosis, hospital and community support and so on. They were expected to do further research and then produce an essay. And similarly last summer a group of them, under the supervision of a consultant, produced a patient guide, which is just about to go into practice. Not the same as dissertation, but an interesting change nonetheless. (And which is why I warn of short holidays - so less scope for earning.)

DD suggests that no one really talks about points needed for F1 & F2. They are mainly focussed on the here and now. The change in the points system might have some impact on the numbers intercalating, but by and large people intercalate to give greater depth to the area they are most interested in.

Good luck to everyone. DD had three interviews in March, but luckily got two offers. By then she had planned her gap year so thoroughly she asked if she could defer. Two of her friends were without offers. One got a place at Imperial on reapplication, the other did astonishingly well in his gap year job, and realised that medicine was his parent's interest, not his. It all worked out fine in the end.

mumsneedwine · 21/02/2021 13:24

Notts BMedSci degree doesn't affect their medical degree results either. Think that's pretty standard. And lots of talk from DD & friends about F1 - they all want to stay in Nottingham 😂
Congrats on offers and hope many more start coming over next few weeks. Wherever they go they'll have a great time and become doctors.

mumsneedwine · 21/02/2021 13:42

@Needmoresleep I obviously love Bristol too as youngest is there. Slightly different though as she's learning how to cut off balls - hopefully not what eldest is doing 😊. Beautiful city.

Needmoresleep · 21/02/2021 14:52

Agreed, but isn’t Nottingham another 5 year course. It was when DD was applying. I was referring to Imperial, UCL and Oxbridge where intercalation is a standard part of a six year course, so does count.

Honestly it was a throw away comment. There is a freedom to taking a course where the final result does not matter, so you can choose options that are the most interesting, even though they are reputed to be ‘hard’.

My basic point remains. Bristol is a good choice if you want to leave doors to academic medicine open.

I did check with DD. No talk of F1 & F2. A surprise since it seems a major MN theme. Surely it depends on what you want to do next. We know a Londoner who chose the North East. She had her ambitions set on a specific and competitive branch of emergency medicine and decided that A&E on a Saturday night in Newcastle was the experience she needed.