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Oxbridge Aspirants 2021-New Thread 4

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Baaaahhhhh · 24/11/2020 10:11

And we are off:

Thread 3 link: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/4070531-Oxbridge-Aspirants-2021-New-Thread-3

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bimkom · 29/11/2020 20:54

@forthispost off the topic of oxbridge, but just in response to Your ds will still possibly be due to have some contextual offers from other universities based on the school that he did his gcses though?

No actually, those that score GCSEs score them regardless (not that this was a problem for DS, as his GCSEs were good enough, and he swerved the one medical school that counts English literature as one of its essentials, as he only got a 7 there - all the others takes the best 8 or 9, including maths, sciences and English, so he had top scores for that). And the other ones he is applying to measure only on UCAT score. Most of them do have widening participation options, but these don't apply to DS (nor does he want them, actually, he doesn't think he is an appropriate candidate for contexualisation) and the criteria are different, I think they look more closely at background, parents never been to university etc). Interestingly though what is and is not counted in these criteria. We noticed that St Andrews gives credit for someone being a registered young carer (and does it by deeming the UCAT score to be 10% higher), but that does not seem to be a criteria for contextualisation anywhere else.

JulesJules · 29/11/2020 21:08

@bendmeoverbackwards Oxford count 8/9/A* at GCSE as equal.

BilberryBaggins · 29/11/2020 21:12

[quote JulesJules]@bendmeoverbackwards Oxford count 8/9/A at GCSE as equal. [/quote]
That is true, but they also look at proportion of As, not at total number, so @bendmeoverbackwards' dd's very excellent results would be 9/11 As - still very very good, but I can see that if you are at a school with lots of students getting 11/11 A
s, it might be a concern for you as an applicant; however at these high levels, I'm sure that won't be an issue!!

JulesJules · 29/11/2020 21:21

It won't be an issue - see the history admission feedback. Average number of GCSEs at 8/9/A* for shortlisted candidates is 7.6

Forthispost · 29/11/2020 23:57

Ah thats interesting @bimkom. I guess it must vary so much from uni to uni. Good luck to your ds anyway. I hope he gets offers at the places he has chosen.

WarmAndco3y · 30/11/2020 05:23

The thread has moved on really fast. Congratulations to all those with interview invitations and hang on in there, those waiting. A few still waiting in DS’s school.

Like most things in life, I think contextualising has some limitations and may actually disadvantage those it should be helping. There are some disadvantaged DC on bursaries in selective independent schools, for example. Also people have learnt to play the system. Just last week a colleague told me how they move their DC from highly selective independents, to state sector for 6th form, to gain the advantage when applying to oxbridge. I admit, I haven’t really looked into contextualising very much, so I don’t know if the system is able to identify this.
I also know DC in state sector ( and some in independent sector), that have Tutors to help them. Nothing is ever 100% black and white. Other than the universities coming up with Tutor proof tests, I can’t think of a fair way around this difficult subject.

@chopc, DS doing IB

chopc · 30/11/2020 07:39

@WarmAndco3y I guess you can't really compare IB with AL ........ just wondering if you feel UK Unis are "fair" towards IB applicants? And if IB is as much work as it looks? To me it seems more than 3AL plus 3AS as well as the three extras you have to do.
In addition apparently IB higher level maths is harder than further maths at AL. My second son is at an IB school so thinking ahead

Knotanothername · 30/11/2020 07:41

Good luck everyone for today! Hopefully we should have news either way given the interview dates!

LaundryFairy · 30/11/2020 07:55

Yes good luck to everyone’s DC today - especially all in the History Club.

Hoghgyni · 30/11/2020 08:10

Just last week a colleague told me how they move their DC from highly selective independents, to state sector for 6th form, to gain the advantage when applying to oxbridge

More fool them then. Contextuslisation looks at where they took their GCSEs. I don't believe that anyone sending their child to an indie would then deliberately remove them to send them to some drug addled hell hole just on the off chance that they may move one place up in the queue for an Oxbridge interview.

It usually means that they've realised that they can save money by sending them to somewhere nice like Hills Road or Peter Symonds and their DC want to do some subjects not on offer in their school.

Eastisup · 30/11/2020 08:21

Thinking of everyone today! Best of luck to all the ds/dd's! Fingers crossed for the History gang!

Baaaahhhhh · 30/11/2020 08:21

@Hoghgyni

Just last week a colleague told me how they move their DC from highly selective independents, to state sector for 6th form, to gain the advantage when applying to oxbridge

More fool them then. Contextuslisation looks at where they took their GCSEs. I don't believe that anyone sending their child to an indie would then deliberately remove them to send them to some drug addled hell hole just on the off chance that they may move one place up in the queue for an Oxbridge interview.

It usually means that they've realised that they can save money by sending them to somewhere nice like Hills Road or Peter Symonds and their DC want to do some subjects not on offer in their school.

You'd be surprised. I know two potential medic applicants try this. Both had to come back to the indie to redo L6th. Madness.
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ChimneyPot · 30/11/2020 08:37

Best wishes to everyone still waiting.

JulesJules · 30/11/2020 08:52

@warmandco3y that's spectacularly dim - it's the GCSEs that are contextualised, the A level offer is standard. They do go into the background at shortlist stage too - Alan Rusbridger's three part blog on admissions at LMH is an interesting read, although a few years old now.

Anyway, best of luck to everyone waiting for news today, especially those waiting for History (& joint schools).

WarmAndco3y · 30/11/2020 08:56

@Hoghgyni, this is not the first time I’ve heard this. I had a discussion with a few people sometime last year who were talking about doing the same. ( I was listening to the conversation really, as I had nothing to contribute Hmm ) It really isn’t to do with saving money. It’s a mindset and some people swear by it.
And I agree it doesn’t help Re GCSES, but there is obviously a perceived advantage in other areas of the applications. They obviously won’t choose the schools they believe are bottom of the pile... But each to their own.
Yes, wishing everyone waiting all the best

IrmaFayLear · 30/11/2020 08:57

Then there’s the scrabble on the student room with people (probably parents) desperately asking what constitutes “disadvantage”. Have to laugh when every other person cites “covid” as having impacted their mental health. Yep, I’m sure every other 17/18-year-old is just loving the current situation Hmm .If I were in Admissions I’d have a chair like graham Norton’s which immediately tipped someone backwards if they dared to mention covid.

IrmaFayLear · 30/11/2020 09:00

(before anyone chimes in I’m obviously not including death of parent, which would be tragic however it occurred.)

WarmAndco3y · 30/11/2020 09:02

@JulesJules, I agree it’s not the brightest idea! But each to their own.

goodbyestranger · 30/11/2020 09:15

WarmAndco3y there literally is no advantage in terms of Oxbridge, and people do swear blind about all sorts of dumb things they do. There used to be an 11+ tutor in the nearest town who all the parents at DD4's primary school 'swore' by and over all the years parents were swearing endlessly about her, she managed to have a 100% failure rate, which amused the HT of our grammar school no end.

History invites must be imminent, hopefully there will be lots for the DC on this thread. As I say two of mine had invites which came several days after other colleges had released theirs (with a cheery note asking them to come a day early because they'd had so many strong applicants they'd decided to invite lots extra). That was Queen's.

Would it be possible for anyone to link to the TSR spreadsheet? A couple of attempts to find it have defeated me.

WarmAndco3y · 30/11/2020 09:17

@chopc DS’s school have a small cohort of IB students every year and they all seem to do well and get into good universities, including oxbridge. A number of them will end up overseas.
DS was initially worried about the intensity, mostly looking at the number of free periods he would have compared to A’levels. But decided to go ahead and he is happy he did. No doubt it’s a lot of work, but I guess it’s a different type of learning. I think he decision was based mostly around the subjects he still enjoyed and wanted to carry on doing and the fact that he didn’t really know what he wanted to do at university after GCSES

Ginfizzlife · 30/11/2020 09:24

www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6231236

@goodbyestranger it’s on page 1 of the 2021 applicants thread above.

goodbyestranger · 30/11/2020 09:31

Thank you!

chopc · 30/11/2020 09:49

Thanks for the input @WarmAndco3y

SATSmadness · 30/11/2020 09:57

Cambridge TSR tracker spreadsheet

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hSepu8nrLVJnb6JkX93zQSpamQrp6B7n6gL9Q_UKbkU/edit#gid=2013844448

Oxford TSR tracker

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/12mmjGO_emQL6K_yBnjrAwgyFLha9ZV4NH1H2C4fANgE/htmlview

Disclaimer - both of those spreadsheets may be the plaything of trolls.

SATSmadness · 30/11/2020 10:01

Fingers crossed for the DC still waiting for news. It must have been a long weekend for you guys.

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