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Oxford and Cambridge current students - discussion thread for anyone with daughters, sons etc there for Michaelmas 2020 (and not just freshers!)

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DadDadDad · 25/09/2020 17:36

A continuation thread for those attending Oxbridge for the first time this term, but it makes sense to throw it open to anyone with a DC there (or other family member, or maybe you're a student yourself or teach / work there - all welcome!) Share your thoughts and questions on college life, courses, etc. A certain virus has made it a bit different for everyone this year...

I have a DS who is a fresher at a small Oxford college in a small subject. We will be taking him there in just over a week.

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chitchattery · 03/11/2020 08:36

Perhaps mutterphore means students who were accepted by the college after being initially rejected on algorithm grades. That is not contextual in any normal use of the word though so maybe not.

mutterphore · 03/11/2020 08:58

I think I'm just trying to find a way, myself, of understanding why DS1's experience is so different compared to others doing the same subject from other colleges and also to his brother's experience in O. So I probably didn't use the term 'contextual' with any accuracy.

He's got another supervision today where again many of his cohort (including his supervision partner) decided not to do the essay because it wasn't compulsory and the supervision won't be about the essay therefore at all.

I just find that very different to my own experience and to the experience that other students seem to be having now but maybe some colleges are being more lenient this term? I don't know if it's a new approach for them or not. I think DS1 is a bit frustrated though as he expected something different.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/11/2020 09:02

It does sound odd. I'd suggest he raises it, either with his personal tutor (if he wants advice in general how to handle this) or directly with his DoS.

SnapSnapDragon · 03/11/2020 09:28

That sounds incredibly frustrating, mutter. Maybe he could send an email to the supervisor saying he enjoyed writing the essay and would appreciate a discussion about it so he could hear the supervisor's opinion, have a chance to debate it and know how to improve. But what do I know? I believe there are people who read this board who actually give supervisions and I'd be interested to hear their take on this.

Sorry if I'm paraphrasing this wrong, but by contextual, do you mean students from less privileged backgrounds? i.e. people who the admissions tutors felt showed raw talent and huge potential but don't have the same level of rigorous intellectual training as some other applicants? I would imagine that such a student might benefit from more guidance at the outset, but find it less likely that this background would translate into not bothering to do the essay in the first place, not least because there is a lot of evidence that these types of students often do extremely well at O and C. We are in dangerous territory here, making generalisations :) I'm just trying to help you to understand what might be happening. I wonder if it's a combination of COVID and the culture of the college being a little less demanding. Or maybe it's just confined to a few individuals and is purely bad luck for your DS.

mutterphore · 03/11/2020 09:51

I have suggested to him that he asks his supervisor about why they're using a different system to other colleges but I'm not sure he'll speak up. He likes to blend in and go with the flow and not appear to stand out in any way. He does enjoy his supervisions on the whole and it won't stop him doing every essay set, even if others don't bother to do the same.

I also don't want to make any generalisations as this has got to be a tiny subset of an entire college and he's only been able to have limited contact with others at the same college.

Meanwhile, DS2 is writing and reading far more extensively at O and really thriving on the academic rigor and repartee in his tutorials and I know that DS1 wishes he could have a similar experience himself. It's very early days of course and things may change and at least he's at his first choice uni. - and very pleased about this.

PantTwizzler · 03/11/2020 10:39

It’s very strange how much things vary. My DS has an enormous workload at C and there is absolutely no concession given to covid-related difficulties. Agreed that it would be unthinkable to turn up for a tutorial without having done the essay (but I must admit that I wrote a few very shoddy ones myself as an undergrad).

Sadly I don’t recognise the “excellent pastoral care” offered at C. Quite the opposite. Interestingly the colleges have lived up to stereotypes: DS at C is in big, rich, “uncaring” college; DD at O is in non-central, poorer, “pastoral” college. In covid times I know which I would choose...

PantTwizzler · 03/11/2020 10:43

On a separate note, does anyone know of an Oxford pub or restaurant with outdoor seating and heaters?

Ginfizzlife · 03/11/2020 10:52

@PantTwizzler

On a separate note, does anyone know of an Oxford pub or restaurant with outdoor seating and heaters?
The White rabbit. It has heated seats that are lovely and toasty!
Tenpastseven · 03/11/2020 11:09

Reading as parent of 2021 applicant and wondering how to find out about these 'stereotypes' @PantTwizzler, as am clueless and now a little worried as to choice DS made...

Flyonawalk · 03/11/2020 11:26

Late to the party as usual, but thanks for that Ironoaks! Gave me a laugh.

hobbema · 03/11/2020 11:30

Sent the algorithm to DD @Ironoaks, to cheer up essay day! Love it.
She is at v old, v rich (C), they have been utterly brilliant. She has had as normal as first few weeks as one could hope for. Very happy freshers from what I hear

MarchingFrogs · 03/11/2020 11:35

The Alternative Prospectuses have sections on Welfare in the college profiles:

apply.oxfordsu.org/colleges/

www.applytocambridge.com/colleges

PantTwizzler · 03/11/2020 11:44

Ooh thanks so much @Ginfizzlife!

It’s so variable @Tenpastseven. Don’t worry! I expect there are students at my DS’s college who are well supported. So much is down to individual staff.

Snowbother · 03/11/2020 11:45

Thank you good people for advice on DS who was enjoying the social side of life a bit too much. I agree he has to make his own mistakes, hard as it is to stand by and watch. Luckily, disaster is averted for now as all parties have thought better of the holiday idea. Phew.

ofteninaspin · 03/11/2020 12:48

That’s a relief for you @Snowbother!

ofteninaspin · 03/11/2020 13:06

DS is another happy fresher at a well managed C college. Honestly don’t think Covid has negatively affected his experience.

@mutterphore, I think your DT is sporty? Has he joined any sports teams? It really is a great way to meet people beyond your household/supervision group. DS plans to meet up 1:1 for cycling/running/hitting practice (if allowed) with tennis/football team mates. Doesn’t fix the issue with supervisions of course.

justaweebit · 03/11/2020 20:30

Very funny @Ironoaks. DD allowed out of isolation today after a bumpy couple of weeks. Working away and household supporting each other - she went for supplies this afternoon, as is the first allowed out! Workload ramped up big time but understanding being shown by tutors to take account of the last week or so. Out in time for lockdown! 😬

Tenpastseven · 03/11/2020 21:20

Thanks @MarchingFrogs and @PantTwizzler

PantTwizzler · 04/11/2020 16:54

Wonderful afternoon in Oxford. Lovely to see DD; had tasty lunch (and lovely warm seats) thanks to tip-off from @Ginfizzlife; and fab visit to the Ashmolean. Pants/knickers in less of a twist now.

sandybayley · 04/11/2020 18:47

Latest from Oxford in advance of Lockdown 2.

www.ox.ac.uk/coronavirus/students/national-restrictions?fbclid=IwAR2QsMw7zjlY2Te6yVL6VhNzT8EtKzpaInirrfl0AeghkowhseMCG7Ev5bs

No sport

PantTwizzler · 04/11/2020 20:17

“Elite sport” can continue. DD tells me that various university-level sports have declared themselves elite (including AFAIK rowing, rugby and football at least).

Ironoaks · 04/11/2020 23:26

It appears that the UoC has decided that the residence rule will stand (unless there are exceptional circumstances or medical reasons for a student to need to study from home). There's an article in the Telegraph, but I can't link as it's behind a paywall.

mutterphore · 05/11/2020 10:53

Justaweebit, I'm glad your DD is finally out of isolation and has managed to get some shopping in for her household.

Panttwizzler, your trip to O sounds great and I sort of wish my sons had wanted me to visit either of them before lockdown preferred not to have that 'parental invasion', especially in the last few days before lockdown. I've only spoken to each of them briefly, once as email is our mode of contact but as we all like writing and DS1's emails often make us laugh, it's working out OK.

Ofteninaspin, thanks for the suggestion about DS1 joining a sports' team. Yes, he did join college level tennis and badminton but was then in isolation and so of course all sports are cancelled. So that's not going to work. His main other society can't function now either, as it needed to be face to face but he's still doing some that have always been remote/online.

He met someone coincidentally at his college the other day who he got on well with but feels he'd now be unlikely to see that person again, given all the current restrictions and they're not doing the same subject either. However, it gave him hope that there might be people out there even at his own college who are on the same wavelength as he is.

I'm clearer now about what's happening with his supervisions. Basically, they can pick a title for an essay and also have some flexibility about choice of text and whether or not they choose to write an essay at all (!?!) So this means it's not possible to do the supervision on the essay as his supervision partner may not have done the same essay, the same text or even have written an essay at all. I still find this a very strange way of doing it and not at all what I know about other colleges for the same subject - but that's how it is.

Meanwhile, DS2 continues to have a fuller experience at O, has a lot more work than DS1 at C and has just found out that his choir can still go ahead, as it's deemed educational (albeit with social distancing and masks) but it does seem his college is doing everything it can to help students have some kind of experience other than sitting alone in your room studying. He's very happy.

He can still get out to the Rad Cam too (with booked slots in advance) but in Cambridge, DS1 thinks the University Library is closed and only allows collections of books and he's not needed to go there so far, nor has he used his college library either as he hates the idea of studying for hours whilst wearing a face covering.

Both seem to be coping well enough with such an unusual first experience of leaving home and university life, although only 2 weeks of the entire term have been anything like 'normal' in flavour, what with being stuck in isolation for a fortnight each and now lockdown till the end of term.

I really hope they're allowed to come back home when term ends and can't see what else would happen if this isn't allowed. Who will pay the extra costs of enforced accommodation at college/university?

ofteninaspin · 05/11/2020 11:35

Study slots at the main C library are bookable in advance, according to DS. He is apparently booking library slots for reading and then writing essays/completing problem sheets in his room to mix things up a bit.

DD is booking study slots at the Bod when she can as her college library is closed for refurbishment. Her college advised everyone to use faculty libraries this term but her faculty library is also closed as the building is being absorbed into the new Reuben college.