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University 2020 :8: Use the CAGs, don’t use the CAGs...

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MillicentMartha · 16/08/2020 10:26

...if you can use the mocks, then use the mocks but not if they're higher than the CAGs.

And hopefully on to university!

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Gymntonic · 17/08/2020 17:53

I think a lot depends on the university and their contingency planning. Some universities could maybe guess how this might play out. DD dropped one grade in one subject on her offer and was rejected by first choice. They were only accepting those they had to, perhaps. She has since requested release from her insurance and secured a different course in the original university.
She now meets the offer for original course. Which is lab based and in demand. But has places in international clearing, as of this afternoon. And will loose some students as they move up to their preferred course too, I think.
I hope my thinking was their thinking. Will have to wait and see

ShaunaTheSheep · 17/08/2020 18:00

@Sostenueto - great news!

KingscoteStaff · 17/08/2020 18:00

Fingers crossed @Gymntonic. Is she going to contact the original dept. to stress that she’s still keen on the course? Goodness me, I’m having deja vu back to when they had their secondary offers!

Bingobango69 · 17/08/2020 18:02

Expect more than one post-92 university to go bust as a result of the lifting of the admissions cap.

Newgirls · 17/08/2020 18:20

If grades are now 40% higher surely that means more potential students? So lower ranking unis have more customers?

titchy · 17/08/2020 18:23

@Newgirls

If grades are now 40% higher surely that means more potential students? So lower ranking unis have more customers?
Roughly the same number of students, but with higher grades that get them into a higher tariff institution. Leaving not as many for the lower ranked unis.
Newgirls · 17/08/2020 18:34

I get that but won’t this mean there are more students now qualified to go? So might look at the job market/gap year opportunities and think - yes I’ll check out clearing?

AndromedaPerseus · 17/08/2020 18:35

This was what St Edmund Hall Oxford said yesterday explaining why they are hounouring all their offers:
Over the weekend, St Edmund Hall has reviewed the applications of all students who missed their conditional offers when A-level grades were released last Thursday. It is apparent that a disproportionally large proportion of those students that missed their offers were from the state sector. The college had already taken the decision to make offers unconditional for a significant number of students but, in light of the growing concern around the process by which grades were assigned and can be appealed this year, it has looked again at the cases of those students whose places were not initially confirmed

Paul Johnson in The Times today also confirms who was advantaged by the Ofqual system and who was disadvantaged
First, and most obvious, the process adopted favours schools with small numbers of students sitting any individual A-level. That is, it favours private schools. If you have up to five students doing an A-level, you simply get the grades predicted by the teacher. If between five and fifteen, teacher-assigned grades get some weight. More than 15 and they get no weight. Teacher predictions are always optimistic. Result: there was a near-five percentage point increase in the fraction of entries from private schools graded at A or AIn contrast, sixth-form and further education colleges saw their A and A grades barely rise — up only 0.3 per cent since 2019 and down since 2018. This is a manifest injustice. No sixth-form or FE college has the funding to support classes of fifteen, let alone five. The result, as Chris Cook, a journalist and education expert, has written: “Two university officials have told me they have the poshest cohorts ever this year because privately educated kids got their grades, the universities filled and there’s no adjustment/clearing places left

Gymntonic · 17/08/2020 18:39

@KingscoteStaff apparently she might stick with the second course after all. I'll stick to nagging about dentist appointments then...
Andy Burnham has just said he will continue with legal action until BTEC students also have their grades.
And , of course, we still need an appeal process for students who feel their CAG is unjust

Sostenueto · 17/08/2020 18:43

Thank you Shaunathesheep💐

Gymntonic · 17/08/2020 18:48

@Sostenueto yes, that is lovely news Grin

Phbq · 17/08/2020 18:51

I’m glad my kids have finished Uni. This is such a shambles. Gawd knows how this is going to pan out.

Kateljine · 17/08/2020 18:52

Can I ask for some guidance from those of you in the know? DD’s boyfriend predicted ABB, CAG BBC, then awarded CCD. That originally meant his firm rejected him for biochem, and felt grateful his insurance took him.
He’s heard the news that he’s back to BBC while at our house. It’s not high enough for where he originally wanted, who said BBB minimum, but would it be worth contacting them anyway now cap lifted? (He has excellent GCSEs) Or, are places reappearing in Clearing for students suddenly with much better results but not good enough for their prior firm?
He doesn’t have supportive family situation so gap year not an option.
Thanks in advance for any top tips on how best to support him.

Gymntonic · 17/08/2020 19:01

@Kateljine the few universities I've looked at have put out holding statements on their websites, basically saying we're getting to grips with what to do next, to be updated. They will probably replace that with contact form to outline his case as a missed offer holder at some point tomorrow.
Can do no harm to email his department and the admissions team... And also to keep an eye out on clearing

Kateljine · 17/08/2020 19:05

Thanks Gymntonic. I don’t want him to undersell himself in terms of destination because of the nasty shock of the grades from last Thursday. I’ll remind him to keep looking.

Bouledeneige · 17/08/2020 19:17

So my DS who was lucky enough to get into his first choice university has now had his grades raised from A BB from A CC. Stick or twist? I think we'll stick. Its his 18th Birthday tomorrow.

TheDrsDocMartens · 17/08/2020 19:19

I suspect ucas/universities had as much notice as the general public and won’t have a clue what to do When the first calls come.

TheDrsDocMartens · 17/08/2020 19:22

Did they say they’re lifting the cap?

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 17/08/2020 19:26

What happens to DC who have already confirmed their insurance choices - will they be allowed to be released? This is going to cause an almighty headache for most universities.

user1497207191 · 17/08/2020 19:36

@Newgirls

I get that but won’t this mean there are more students now qualified to go? So might look at the job market/gap year opportunities and think - yes I’ll check out clearing?
Some Unis closed their clearing as soon as this afternoon's announcement was made, presumably to admit previously rejected students who may now have the grades after all.
JacobReesMogadishu · 17/08/2020 19:37

@Aragog

Wonder what this means for universities now?

DD and her boyfriend are both pleased to have the grade boost. It won't make a difference to what they are both doing now. DD's course is full and her boyfriend got his first choice, despite his lower grades.

It depends on the university and the course.

Some may have wriggle room and fit some more in. Remember some people who accepted their insurance may now pull out if they can convince their first choice to take them so places may be come available tomorrow.

Some courses especially those where there is lab work and limited bench availability or placements....so nursing, medicine, paramedics, physios, teaching may well not be able to take any more students. It doesn’t matter what the govt say, it doesn’t matter if caps are removed. For some courses there is a strict finite number of places and the university can’t increase them.

It also isn’t helped by the covid situation. I lecture at a university and we can’t teach in groups of more than 30 students. So 30 in a cohort is great. 31 students would mean every face to face session/lecture would Have to be taught twice....doubling workload. And most universities are teaching a certification amount of face to face stuff from sept.

MillicentMartha · 17/08/2020 20:09

Yes, it’s just pushed the problem at the universities. If universities can’t now honour their original offers for this year, which I can well imagine, maybe they’ll suggest they can defer? What will that mean for next year’s Y13?

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JacobReesMogadishu · 17/08/2020 20:11

I know some unis are already offering deferred places. So yes, this could impact the current year 12s.

Divoc2020 · 17/08/2020 20:14

Well, given that 38% of this year's grades are A*/A, presumably it means that the top unis will have a rush of applicants with this year's A levels as soon as UCAS opens in September, and they'll have to make difficult decisions about how many to give unconditional offers to and how many spaces to hold back for next year's Y13s after results Hmm.

Peaseblossom22 · 17/08/2020 20:25

I don’t know if anyone follows UCAS on Facebook but poor Courtney who does the videos/ question and answer sessions , looks a shadow of his former self in tonight’s UCAS update . Feel like sending him a large box of chocolate biscuits !

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