University 2020 :6: The one with the results at the end

[MillicentMartha]

Hopefully as the title suggests we will actually get up to results on this thread! Only 5 weeks to go.

Old thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/3918392-University-2020-5-Results-day-approaching-and-beyond?pg=40

Quite mimble! Those Etonians must be so worried at the moment...

If Nicola Sturgeon is apologising for the Scottish results, does that suggest that the England (& Wales &NI ones) will be different?

It suggests that England and NI and Wales results will be as much a f* up as Scottishnones!🤣😂🤣😂

Hang on, how do the Scottish offers work? If they got their grades for (say) Bath last week, and that was all sorted, what if Swinney reinvents the results tomorrow and they get 2 grades increased? Would they then say thanks but no thanks to Bath and apply to Warwick through adjustment?

The only ones they would alter would be those that put in complaint. If you net your your offer there's no need to change your grades?

@Sostenueto

The only ones they would alter would be those that put in complaint. If you net your your offer there's no need to change your grades?

No they’re revisiting all. Not just those who put in an appeal. That’s what they said specifically . Otherwise disadvantaged pupils are further disadvantaged as they are less likely to appeal.

What a f up.

From the BBC:
Mr Swinney will set out plans for how to address the issue at Holyrood on Tuesday, but the first minister said "we will not expect every student who has been downgraded to appeal".

She added: "This is not the fault of students, and it should not be on students to fix it - that's on us, and we will set out tomorrow how we intend to do that."

@BalloonSlayer

If Nicola Sturgeon is apologising for the Scottish results, does that suggest that the England (& Wales &NI ones) will be different?

There is the possibility of a vote of no confidence in Scotland, so Sturgeon is sensibly getting an apology in now: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53697680

They can't apologise yet for the possibility of a f**k up here as that would let the cat out of the bag...

And this shower of a government doesn't apologise for anything at all, anyway, so it's unlikely that if it is total carnage on Thursday, anyone will say anything apart from 'excuse me' as they run for cover.

What I meant was are they apologising because OFQUAL haven't done what SQA did? Or not to the same extent.
I did get that impression from some things I have read (perhaps on here?) that this may be the case?

My guess is some poor civil secant is having a nightmare checking if England private schools were downgraded equally with state. Will find that no they weren’t and press team will try and find one story of a working class whizz who got into medicine at Cambridge for the front pages and hope we all go away.

Sorry, Balloon, brain too hot. I thought they were apologising because SQA did exactly what OFQUAL will be doing, and as they've got their results out 10 days earlier, the shit has already hit the fan there and they've realised that the adjustment for the poorer performing schools has hung the kids in them out to dry. Parents up in arms in Scotland, so Sturgeon apologises (as she has an actual spine unlike Johnson or Williamson) and tries to find a way to fix it.

I'll be astonished if OFQUAL and Gavin Williamson apologise, or try to find any way to fix it beyond the half measures already announced such as a school being allowed to appeal if they've had a substantial change of senior management over the last short while. My ds's school has had 6 changes of Head over the last 3 years so in theory might have been thrown a lifeline, but there again, perhaps not. Who knows any more?

Yes we are another one celebrating Wednesday night.....

Anyone know how clearing works? Do you ring up as soon as you get your results or what happens???

And UCAS points - these seem to be mentioned in clearing but DD offers were all straight grades of the AAA ilk and no points included.... do they actually count and for whom??

UCAS points - not that I've got this prepped at this end or anything - are:
A* = 56
A= 48
B = 40
C = 32
D = 24
E = 16

If you go on to Clearing now, each course in Clearing shows the required UCAS points to go through Clearing, which might be lower than the standard offer. For DS's subject for example, Bristol is showing as a range of UCAS points from 120 - 136 depending on which variant of course you might choose. The standard offer for those courses before Clearing was 136 (AAB).

loveyouradvice, your daughter's UCAS points would have been 144 so work looking to see if there are any courses in Clearing in her subject offering below that.

worth, not 'work'

@Newgirls - do we have to have quite so much of the private school bashing? This has been a really supportive thread for all comers until now. I'm sure everyone is concerned about outcomes whatever sector their DC are educated in.

If you look back to the IB results there were plenty of upsets in both sectors.

@KingscoteStaff if you do visit Bristol can I suggest you have a very clear plan about what you are going to see. The university is so interwoven into the Clifton area that it’s not always clear what you’re looking at!

I’d suggest:
Your DC’s subject department
The Student Union Building
Halls area in Clifton (CHH, Manor Hall, Goldney)
Clifton Village
A trip out to Stoke Bishop (where most of the older accommodation is + sports)
The new ‘Unite’ modern accommodation blocks down near College Green

Parking is hideous, but we found someone renting out a Clifton parking space on JustPark which was perfect!

I went to Bristol and loved it (in the 80s)

DS didn’t like it at all and decided he wanted a campus!

I've name changed from earlier (Dd hoping to get into Warwick) but can I ask a question about results day?

If Dd gets rejected from her firm with only a grade lower, is it worth phoning them to beg ask if she can be reconsidered? If so, who does she phone? Admissions/clearing/Department?

It's all getting a bit real now.

Thanks Divoc!

@IAmTooBloodyHot they already know and would decide that when they update on Track. If they reject, I don't know if it's worth a call, but the Uni's Admissions team would be where to go- number will be all over their website by Thursday!

what @sandybayley said. They’re all just stressed teenagers with their futures in the balance.

Like we always say there are good state and good indie, bad state and bad indie

There will be schools in both sectors who have done sensible modelling and those that have overinflated by unrealistic amounts. I can't see it being a state v indie thing, just a realistic approach vs an aspirational approach. The good thing is is there is now the new appeal ground where a school can show why their cohort this year is markedly different and deserves an overinflating. This was no available to Scottish results.

I think there is too much doom and gloom ahead of a system that has, as yet, not failed! Let's see what Thursday brings.

sandybayley, it is very unlikely that either private schools or the high achieving state schools and superselective grammars will have their results downgraded substantially as they will mostly be achieving the A*, A and B grades, and it has already been admitted that the algorithm favours schools that have a history of constantly high attainment over state schools that have some very bright pupils but whose attainment is poor. Also the children that have suffered in Scotland and will who suffer in England and Wales are those likely to be on the borders of B/C and C/D.

Education is already weighted towards the 10% or so who go privately in 6th form and it really didn't need to weight any more in their favour. I have a ds, predicted AAA, at a state comp that has been Requires Improvement until last term. I think I probably have far more cause for concern than someone with a dc at a very high achieving private or state school.

Speaking as a single parent of comprehensive schools kids, TBF, students at schools with historically higher performance, whether independent or grammar, have less far to fall. If you normally get lots of A you can’t have estimated A*!

In Scotland the lower performing schools were the ones who had over estimated the most. At least England have taken prior cohort assessment as a factor and are being more careful around less statically sound small cohorts.

It’s getting very tense on this thread. I can understand people’s concerns and anxiety but can we turn it down a notch? My blood pressure can’t take it!

@mimbleandlittlemy - I agree but what brings this thread down is snide remarks about Eton and other private schools.

I thought the spirit of MN (and what first drew me to it) was parents supporting each other (and by default each other's DC). But some posters seem to not be abiding by that.

My own DS1 and DD are at private schools but that doesn't mean they're not worried about results day (particularly DS1 whose first choice is very precarious). It's mean spirited to forget these are all anxious young people whatever their background.