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Applying for Uni 2019 Part 6: exams, leaving school/college (the end of an era), a long summer holiday and Results Day on the horizon

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 20/05/2019 16:23

Just when exam season gets fully underway our previous thread has almost filled up. Everyone welcome Wink.

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 16/06/2019 11:00

bizzey yes, the contingency day is the same for all schools (in England anyway). Not sure of the date (I thought it was the 26th?). However, it doesn't help that it was announced well into this academic year (I think we were only made aware of it by DS's school office maybe in February/March), so it's quite likely that some of the cohort will have jetted off on holiday by then.

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bizzey · 16/06/2019 11:20

Oh yes sorry ..it is the 26th
28th is prom day .
I am good at remembering dates....just cant remember what they are for !🤣

bizzey · 16/06/2019 11:23

Wr were told much later than that ...but not actually told what it meant .
Unless ds had been told at school.
Dont think we were told to keep it free ?

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 16/06/2019 11:25

I think DS was told to keep it free, BUT they were told not to worry if they'd already booked holidays (which I think many of them already had done).

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uzfrdiop · 16/06/2019 11:27

use predicted grades

Exam boards are not going to use predicted grades to decide on final grades - this would be absurd, as predictions (i) vary so much from final results and (ii) vary so much between schools.

bizzey · 16/06/2019 11:58

Just wish they would announce officially what is going to happen.
I see things on Twitter but dont know 8f they are real .

Sorry for all my questions today
Trying to distract myself from the fact it is fathers day.
2nd one without him .. still hurts :(

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 16/06/2019 12:16

bizzey so sorry to hear that you are finding today particularly difficult. Flowers

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MrKlaw · 16/06/2019 12:27

Oh god - a potential resit day? My son had already resit from last year due to the mark he needed for his exam. He prepared well and felt all three papers were ok this time, so he is feeling quietly confident.

Also he’s supposed to be going on his first ever holiday without us (with some friends) across Europe. Please don’t let this be messed up because of a few people leaking this..

Shimy · 16/06/2019 12:35

If they’ve already officially announced there will be no resits, then we have to accept that there won’t be. It will be absurd for them to decided against that. It was even announced on the news, BBC yesterday.

Piggywaspushed · 16/06/2019 14:01

bizzey. I'll see what I can find out but maths isn't a department I speak to much. I am popping in to the exams office to pick up copies of a horrible GCSE so will see what our exams lady knows. It's a shambles! Resits are v unlikely.

Baytreemum · 16/06/2019 15:15

We are also affected by the Edexcel maths paper. My DD had a clash with Latin and was confined in the exam hall all day so didn't see anything but we think that the paper had been widely seen. I have put in a complaint to Pearson Edexcel and Ofqual - you can go onto their websites and send an email of complaint/fill in a complaints form. I don't understand why the exam was allowed to go ahead if the contents were so widely available beforehand.

Wiifitmama · 16/06/2019 17:10

Edexcel have been clear that the maths students will not have to resit. My understanding of the contingency day is that it is for a national emergency which means that students are unable to get to the exams or something. It is not for situations like this. I also understood that Edexcel maths has had paper leaks for the last 3 years so this is not a unique situation. While I think that Ofqual need to step in and force Edexcel to take measures (no doubt costly ones which they don't want to do) in future, I think we need to accept that this year is what it is. I am also not a big believer that it will make a massive difference to the results or grade boundaries. Those who did get hold of the full paper will need to have worked through it, been sure of their answers, memorised them etc. How likely is it that enough students did this to make a difference? In addition, paper 1 and 2 were so difficult that surely the grade boundaries would be affected by that more so then by the leaked paper. I think it will all balance out.

I say this all as someone with a child this affects so I do not take it lightly.

Witchend · 16/06/2019 18:28

*Wiifitmama" that's roughly the conclusion that dd and her friends have reached. They've looked into it fairly thoroughly and this is what they say. It's generally dd's best paper, so she really didn't want it to be leaked.

  1. There was no suggestion of paper 1 being leaked until after Fridays exam.
  1. Paper 2 was not generally leaked, however there was a school, which has been reported to Edexcel, where some students had a clash, and in the break the invigilator supervising thought the exam papers on the table were for them to practice, however they were the real thing. They also left the children with their phones, so one of them took a picture of the paper and sent it to a friend that had done it that morning. Friend reported it immediately. There were no further suggestions of leaks before Friday's exam.
  1. There were several people claiming to have Fridays exam for a few days, including various joke ones. None of these were apparently true.
  1. The first tweets about it being for sale was quite late on Thursday night. They think about 10/10:30pm. It was being offered for £70 at that time, with the blacked out pictures. By the morning it was being offered for considerably more, into the £100s.
  1. Her group of friends, who are from a variety of schools round the country heard very little from peers about it before the exam. A few had friends who'd seen the blacked out papers, no one they knew claimed to have seen the whole paper.

6.The non-blacked out papers only became widely on the internet after the exam. They haven't found any signs of the non-blacked out ones before the exam being generally available.

  1. Enough was blacked out of the questions that you really couldn't use the questions without the full thing. They don't feel that the mechanics question would have had any benefit in being seen blacked out, and the statistics one, only minor advantage, perhaps a couple of marks.
  1. Once the exam is started, apparently they can't resit it. They can call it off right up until it starts, but once it's started it can't be stopped.
  1. Edexcel seem to have found the source of the leak (South London, I think was what she said). What they've done in previous similar cases is take out the local schools, or any where there is evidence the leak might have travelled to, when they're setting grade boundaries. So if there are a number of schools where the results may be higher, then it doesn't effect the grade boundaries. Obviously that means some cheats may have gained grades, but it also means others shouldn't miss out.

My thoughts from this. How many A-level maths students would be on the internet at 10/10:30pm on the evening before the exam? Not many, I'd reckon. So the majority who get the exam would not get it until say 8am the next morning. They've then got only 4-5 hours to either work through the paper, or find someone whose morals won't send them straight to report it to work it for them. Teachers would have to report it.

They've then got to memorise the answers. I wouldn't fancy doing that and getting it right, would you? It was a 2.5 hour (?) paper. So they need to find someone that can do it in 2.5 hours get it back to them, and then they've got 2.5 hours to memorise it.

I'd reckon that probably anyone who did it that way would make mistakes that would make it really obvious that they'd done that too, leaving gaps out or misremembering answers.

I agree that it's not likely enough students did that to make a difference.

Mustbetimeforachange · 16/06/2019 18:32

I would say 90% of them would be on the internet the night before. They are all on maths WhatsApp groups. I think DS is on 2, if not 3.

Serin · 16/06/2019 19:12

Would this work?
They should deliver all exam papers to schools in sealed/metal boxes that have combination codes on them. The exam board could then release the code minutes before the exam.
We have Biology tomorrow and chemistry Weds. Then it's all over, until next year when it's DS2s turn.

Baytreemum · 16/06/2019 20:17

Overnight or even 4.5 hours is plenty of time to go through an exam paper and work out how to do it. You wouldn't need to memorise anything.
I don't see how anyone can have any confidence in this year's Edexcel maths A Level result if the paper 3 mark is included. The exam board should never have allowed this paper to be sat. The results will be unreliable and should be discarded. A replacement paper could be sat in the emergency day on 26 June.

Decorhate · 16/06/2019 22:10

I doubt there is much appetite amongst students to take another paper tbh

Mustbetimeforachange · 16/06/2019 22:15

I suspect an awful lot will be away on June 26th in spite of the date being published in advance. It won't happen anyway.

Baytreemum · 16/06/2019 22:20

Yes I agree, but they have to do something serious because currently the marks for paper 3 can't be taken into account as it is not fair on those who had not seen the paper in advance.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 17/06/2019 07:13

Mustbetimeforachange I totally agree.

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LIZS · 17/06/2019 12:31

Any feedback re. Aqa biology this morning?

Laniakea · 17/06/2019 12:42

Dd’s was OCRa - she thought it was okay but had very low expectations. It was another stupid paper with minimal direct content questions, less bad than last year’s P3 though ... she’s very glad it’s done. Chemistry now.

justasking111 · 17/06/2019 13:13

DS said physics this morning was murder. He is top of his year for the subject. Luckily I found some tweets so that he could have a giggle. One question how hot does a copper pipe get when you drop a magnet down it? The Dafydd and Myfanwy question had him thinking of Little Britain he said.

twitter.com/search?q=%23wjecphysics&src=typeahead_click&f=live

sluj · 17/06/2019 13:17

DS said AQA biology was just OK and not much more detail than that as he has gone to the Wetherspoons to celebrate finishing the exams. I think he found the other two papers quite good so this one has been received less enthusiastically. Twitter reaction seems mixed.

5LeafClover · 17/06/2019 13:27

Re removing the paper 3 maths mark....The trouble is that many students were relying on mechanics and stats to bring their grade up. The 2 pure papers were not reflective of the books or the past papers sold/ provided by edexcel. So, many candidates were stuck by the difference and didn't know what part of the maths they had learned to use. Exceptions were those lucky enough to have a maths teacher with years of experience and lots if time to go further than the edexcel course materials. Or those doing further maths. Or anyone bought the other two papers off the dark web (where apparently they were also on sale and TBH it sounds quite plausible to me). The whole thing is very unsatisfactory. Knowing what I know now, I would not recommend edexcel maths to any a level student who doesn't need it until this new specification has settled down.