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Anyone still waiting to hear from Durham?

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PortusCale · 11/02/2019 11:11

Just wondered if anyone else is waiting to hear from Durham for an offer for 2019 entry?

See that offer holder day bookings are now open and I understand college allocation has begun.

DS still waiting here, DS application went through in November.....does this mean a rejection will likely be on its way?

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Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 09:15

Er yes goodbyestranger Please refer to my post where I said I was making a different point.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:17

You said you were making a point about rejection Bowchica, which I responded to very precisely.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:18

In that clearly feelings about rejection and expectation are linked.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:21

PortusCale I'm not sure the college review is a problem, other than for the staff facing redundancy.

Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 09:23

Er Ok goodbyestranger.

PortusCale · 20/03/2019 09:26

very true goodbyestranger.

I think Durham is a great university, my DD went and she loved her time there. She had great staff members all round - a lovely cleaning lady in halls who always had time to chat to her and ask her how she was and dedicated academic staff. She wishes she was still there!

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goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:27

By co-incidence Maria DD4 was at an Open Day in Oxford last Friday and waiting to ask a tutor something when a couple of parents barrelled past and asked the tutor what he would recommend to help their (presumably 'poster girl') DD 'stand out' (those were their words). The tutor gave them very short shrift - basically said be clever enough and engaged enough - then spent a long time with DD4 (who was on her own) giving all sorts of advice. DC can't all be zany and I'm far from convinced that zany is good.

myrtleWilson · 20/03/2019 09:30

DH lectures at Durham so if any of your DC do attend I can vouch for his quality 😀 unfortunately he hasn't done admissions for ages so I can't help with the practicalities on this thread.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:31

I'm afraid I can't fathom the ers Bowchica. If you apply to Oxford or Cambridge expecting a place then you're probably incredibly arrogant and the tutors don't fancy spending three years teaching you. Unis which don't have either aptitude tests or interviews are entirely different in terms of reasonable expectation and therefore feelings about rejection, given a full hand of A* at GCSE.

Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 09:33

The was exactly the point I was making goodbye hence the 'ers.'

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:38

In that case Bowchica, when I said your young relative's experience of rejection, while disappointing, isn't really comparable, I'm not sure why you did an er.

MariaNovella · 20/03/2019 09:44

Indeed, goodbyestranger. Too much parental PR and the applicants look like high end consumer goods. Oxbridge (and other universities) do not want to fill their spots with the human equivalent of Louis Vuitton handbags (to use one of my favourite metaphors Wink)

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 09:45

Quite why you laud consultants so much is beyond me then Maria....

ZandathePanda · 20/03/2019 09:46

It’s not just exams results though is it. Universities are obviously looking for some other spark. For example, a vet once said to me that it was so much better in the ‘olden’ days when potential vets didn’t have to get all these A* because you got people that were very good with animals. Now he was getting academics who were even afraid of the farm animals. In a seminar discussing politics/English/economics/philosophy etc you want people with a variety of views and life experience.

Needmoresleep · 20/03/2019 09:47

DC were at a very selective private school which gets one of the highest numbers of Oxbridge acceptance rates in the country.

They also get a number of near misses. Students with A*s who don't get places, but who go on to do very well elsewhere.

Admissions are not an exact science. A course might change its selection criteria and pupils who might be expected to get in, did not. And then a few years down the line, there would again be pupils being offered places.

The school's advice was not to get hung up on Oxbridge. So DS was advised to apply for the top four, and heavily oversubscribed, courses and accept whatever he was offered. As Stranger suggests, those courses that interview will be pick up a slightly different mix than those that do not, so there are plenty of A*s in lecture rooms elsewhere. The top four courses in most subjects will keep the same doors open, and by and large, though dreaming spires have their appeal, other places off other advantages.

The second piece of advice was to treat University application as a two year process. Medics often do this, but the same principles apply to other oversubscribed subjects. If you are a strong applicant, and you get your grades, it is worth doing your best to get a place on a demanding course. It does seem easier with achieved grades, plus you have experience and maturity on your side. Often scientists and mathematicians, if they were not keen on Imperial, would try Cambridge first and Oxford second, the latter seen as a tad less competitive. A couple, PPEists, only applied to Oxford first time round knowing they would reapply if unsuccessful, and not wanting to irritate alternatives.

And increasing numbers, including some of the very brightest, apply to the US, either in parallel or as an alternative. Top British Universities compete at a world level, and to a large extent need to recruit the best students they can, regardless of background. International students, particularly at Masters level (GradCafe) spend a lot of time discussing the relative merits of LSE, Stockholm or Singapore. And those perceived reputations feed into both staff and UG recruitment, and presumably access to research funding and alumni support.

For those near London there is an American play called Admissions on at the Trafalgar Studios which looks at issues around liberal angst and positive discrimination in the college process. Recommended!

MariaNovella · 20/03/2019 09:48

I don’t laud consultants - I observe them, and the applications industry. While many consultants are terrible, there are some very good ones who help DC achieve things their schools could never begin to help them achieve.

Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 09:50

Ok goodbyestranger You are 100% correct and I am 100% wrong. I hope that makes you feel better now.

On the subject of open days I am taking ds and his friend down to one soon and it's fair to say I am worried for them. I can't imagine how they will feel walking around in their usual attire of trackies when they are surrounded by the human equivalent of Louis Vuitton handbags. DS's friends accent is incredibly strong (he comes from an LEA which is often cited on here as having a woeful track record of sending pupils to Oxbridge). On the other hand he has an abundance of level 9 GCSEs which I hope will give him the confidence to go for it. They both have the support of their sixth form too which has prompted them to consider it. Incidentally. DS's mate didn't know what the Boat Race was last week Grin

MariaNovella · 20/03/2019 09:58

They don’t have to wear trackers, surely?

MariaNovella · 20/03/2019 09:59

Trackies

Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 10:00

They don't have to, but it's pretty much all they have in their wardrobes.

Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 10:01

I never thought about it until we went to another university town recently and DS commented how he was the only lad wearing trackies. It's their uniform to be honest and I don't get it either but when you are 17 your clothes are a big part of who you are.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 10:06

DD4 just wore black jeans. I think jeans were pretty much the uniform of choice. I'm sure no one will go ooh trackies but it seems slightly laboured/ look at me although admittedly they're comfortable. On the accent front, I'm not convinced your DS's friend will stand out in modern Oxford as much as he fears/ thinks he might.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 10:08

Cross post! Fair enough. I'd say go with jeans but if they actually only possess trackies then I wouldn't rush off to buy a pair.

Bowchicawowow · 20/03/2019 10:10

What do you mean by laboured goodbye? I'm not sure that 17 year old lads from around here would understand it either.

As for the point about the accent I don't worry about him standing out (although having a thick regional accent myself I know that it can make a person feel self-conscious). I am worried about people actually understanding him because even I find it difficult at times.

goodbyestranger · 20/03/2019 10:20

I think my own DC would probably have found wearing trackies might look a bit studiedly casual, even if they loll around in them at home. So they always fished out jeans for the occasion. It's not a problem though. people can wear what they like.