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Anyone still waiting to hear from Durham?

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PortusCale · 11/02/2019 11:11

Just wondered if anyone else is waiting to hear from Durham for an offer for 2019 entry?

See that offer holder day bookings are now open and I understand college allocation has begun.

DS still waiting here, DS application went through in November.....does this mean a rejection will likely be on its way?

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sendsummer · 07/03/2019 07:24

Coleoptera I opened this thread hoping for good news for your DTs after your other posts so I am disappointed on behalf of DT1.
I am inclined to think a gap year would be a good idea particularly if DT2 does not get a Durham offer. Otherwise they may start university feeling diffident and unsure as to whether they are at the right place and therefore less able to engage right from the start. School social groups and pecking order should not be a concern and a year of being independent from school before university would help their confidence.
They would also have the time to get more of a feel for student life and the courses at Exeter, York, Bristol etc by visiting friends there as well as attending the open days.

RedHelenB · 07/03/2019 07:25

York has plenty of accommodation and i don't think they actually allocate it until later even if you can apply now so I wouldn't let that put your twins off Cleo.

Headunderthecovers · 07/03/2019 07:32

Coleoptera
Don't worry about York accommodation . My dd's firm was Durham and she missed her offer so ended up in her insurance, York. She applied late for accommodation, as she'd set her heart on living in Durham castle college and forgot about the York accommodation date.
She absolutely loves York and feels now she wouldn't have been so happy at Durham. University of York seems a very happy University with lots of different opportunities and of course York itself is lovely and it's a easy bus ride straight from campus into York.
Things work out.

Headunderthecovers · 07/03/2019 07:37

Also accommodation application was in May. Dd still got her first choice accommodation applying late and her room and flat is lovely.

bigTillyMint · 07/03/2019 17:20

RedHelen and Headunderthecovers, that's v reassuring about York accommodation - will probably be DSs firm unless he gets an offer from Durham.

Coleoptera, there are all sorts at Bristol - plenty of non-party animals as well as clubbers, etc. DD met and heard of plenty who like gaming, etc last year (even in her halls in central Bristol which were fantastic - big rooms and so well situated), including most overseas students who are pretty non-plussed by the drinking culture!

Phphion · 07/03/2019 20:17

I'm sorry to hear about the outcome for DT1, Coleoptera. I am not normally an advocate of gap years for people who haven't got the university they want, but in DT1's case, if he's really very keen on Durham and is likely to see all other options as unbearably inferior, I suspect he would have a higher chance of success there with his A Level grades in hand.

From what you have said in this thread, I would have two red flags when considering his narrative from an admissions point of view. The first is, as you say, his GCSEs, while very good, are not particularly great relative to his cohort. Secondly, based on those GCSEs and his school type, I would question whether we are looking at someone whose A Level predictions have been overinflated by a school that knows how to game the system.

Narratively, this gives two options with some grey areas inbetween. The first is: "We have an applicant whose ability and/or application in subjects they don't enjoy or find easy is patchy, and all the advantages his school confers haven't been able to make up for that, resulting in that spread of GCSE grades. It would be unsurprising if he dropped grades in his less favoured A Levels too and may continue to do so when faced with modules on his degree course that he similarly finds difficult or uninteresting. His ambitious school probably think he will end up with AAB but are hoping that predicting 3 As will get him an offer and he'll scrape in on results day. This is a very good student, but not an exceptional one and we don't need to take a risk"

The second narrative option is: "We have an applicant whose GCSE result are not, in context, exceptional, but they appear to be very strong in humanities subjects and they are high enough across the board to suggest he is a generally capable student. His results in his English, etc., GCSEs suggest that he does extremely well when studying subjects he enjoys or has a particular aptitude for, setting him up well for degree-level study. While his A Level predictions seem high, his trajectory of achievement in these subjects supports a high prediction. He is a decent applicant"

While taking a gap year and applying with A Level grades in hand won't fix his GCSE grades, it would remove a lot of the questions regarding the disjuncture between his GCSE grades and predicted A Level grades and the suspension of disbelief currently required of admissions tutors in the absence of hard evidence to suggest he is an exceptional student capable of achieving 3A*s or thereabouts. From the sound of it, Durham doesn't interview for English, so he needs something to nudge his narrative more towards option 2 rather than leaving option 1 as a real possibility. He's unlucky really that he's applying as ASs are being phased out, as they would probably have helped his case if he had done well in them.

This isn't to say that he doesn't have some really great options for next year, but if he isn't going to approach them and his subsequent studies and career options in a positive frame of mind and always feel that he has been forced in to an option that isn't, in his eyes, good and desirable, then it might be worth considering a gap year.

ifonly4 · 08/03/2019 08:56

DD received her offer late Monday and her college allocation came in yesterday, so when your DCs hopefully receive an offer they shouldn't have to wait too long for allocation.

Unfortunately, the college allocated isn't her first choice and she's at the opposite end of Durham to where she wanted to be (looks in nice location though and social life looks good). The college in question doesn't seem to be offering particular socieities she'd want to take part in (she's presently on a music scholarship so an orchestra or any other emsemble is essential as she's passionate about it).

Coleoptera · 08/03/2019 15:28

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goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 15:53

It simply sounds like reflection Coleoptera and actually it (the context) may well help your DTs to rationalize the decisions from the unis they were hoping for, rather than feel it too personally.

I really hope the History Dept comes up with the goods very soon for DT2 - I'm certainly rooting for him.

Bowchicawowow · 08/03/2019 16:00

If your DTs have had a happy and productive time at school then the sacrifices you have made have been well worth it. They have done exceptionally well to get offers from the universities they have done and I am sure they will take the lessons they have learned from their brilliant school with them when they enter university and the workplace. If you are proud of the men they have become that is all that matters.

Malbecfan · 08/03/2019 21:00

Coleoptera please do not beat yourself up about this. I'm finding it stressful enough with one kid; heaven knows how tough it must be on your own with two!

I do believe things happen for a reason, but we don't always know what the reason is, nor why these things work out. If DT1 likes Exeter (and I've posted some travel info on your other thread), go for it. Alternatively, he could hold offers but once he gets his results, especially if they are really good, withdraw completely from UCAS and apply again next year. I really hope DT2 hears soon. One of my DD's friend's parents who is also still waiting said last night that they have sorted out the straight rejections, now they are trying to fit potential students to courses and colleges. It sounded plausible to me!

In other news, DD was offered her first choice of college. Her UIF offer elsewhere is now not necessarily her favourite. It looks like I'm going to be driving north over Easter...

oneteen · 08/03/2019 21:46

I would have posted exactly the same response as Malbecfan @Coleoptera.

Things do happen for a reason and we can't always see this when we have DC who feel down and despondent and we tend to feel responsible. I have a DD very similar to your DT's in many respects - DD doesn't fit the normal Public School girl imagine (I'm actually very proud of the way she is very true to herself and she gets an awful lot of respect from teachers because there is NO pretence). I fully relate to Phphion's excellent post.

Your DT's have some wonderful offers at TOP uni's don't dwell on what wasn't to be...I remember your first post when the school had doubts about Oxbridge applications - so they BOTH did amazing to get Interviews.

ifonly4 · 08/03/2019 21:51

Coleoptera try not to regret the sacrifices you've made to keep your DCs in a fee paying school. Our DD was in a state school until 16, and is at a private school on a scholarship now, so we've had the benefit of both systems. She had great support in state school and we totally appreciate everything those concerned did for her, but a private education has given her a fantastic experience, exceptional support, chance to attend talks relevant to future careers, smaller classes, teachers who are readily available late into the evening and weekends - she wouldn't have had this level of experience and support at state. As parents we've had far more face to face contact with teachers at private than state. DH had since said, why wouldn't you want this for your DC and that's exactly what you've offered them.

Justanothermile · 09/03/2019 07:57

I don't think it sounds like sour grapes coleoptera, not at all. Decisions made I suspect are on fine margins for highly competitive institutions and courses. It may be the GCSE results, but possibly not - you could request feedback maybe?

However, I would gently point out that I don't think high staff turnover in a subject and high class numbers are something experienced by your DS alone by any stretch of the imagination. Certainly, my DC experienced significant disruption at stages during the upper end of secondary education and the funding cuts in education at present are very obvious to observe at present, in terms of subject choice and class sizes, staff turnover etc (not making a political point). I have just read an email from school, rejigging timetables for a subject due to further staff absence. It's sucks!

You made your decision at the time re schooling based on your judgement and factors in your life then and I'm sure it was with a high level of thought and consideration.

Disappointment is awful, and heartbreaking when it's your child. But I'd now be choosing to view how well your dc have done to get offers from the universities they have done.

I'm personally glad now that Dd wasn't given an offer at Oxford post interview rather than receive one and then not hit the grades. I suspect she would have found that much harder as even more emotional investment would have transpired. Dd feels the same. So we are choosing to think it like that now, I hope your dc can too.

I also think, in a years time, everyone will feel very differently.😁

Justanothermile · 09/03/2019 07:59

And I hope that your DT gets a decision soon, it does seem 'unfair' that it's such a strung out process in some cases.

bigTillyMint · 09/03/2019 09:02

Coleoptera, staff changes are very, very common in state schools, but also happen in the private sector. We all want to do the best for our children and it is hard to know if ee made the "right" decisions on so many levels.
I just wish Durham would send out emails to all the remaining applicants!

Justanothermile · 09/03/2019 09:18

Excuse the somewhat muddled post earlier. My brain is/was clearly befuddled by a rare couple of glasses of a marvellous red last night...

CadburysTastesVileNow · 09/03/2019 10:23

My dc now has an offer, but as predicted now prefers UCL and doesn't even want to bother with the Offers day ...

CadburysTastesVileNow · 09/03/2019 10:24

UCL have bombarded him with information and invitations during the five months Durham has been silent

ifonly4 · 09/03/2019 10:29

Cardburys, glad to hear you've heard and it's helped your DC make that decision. St Andrews has been a firm favourite for a while now, but DD is taking her time to consider Durham as she's had plenty of time to consider her other offers.

JocelynBell1 · 10/03/2019 08:49

Bad news for DT1 - he's been rejected for English by Durham, despite predicted A level grades of 3 A stars. He thinks it's because his GCSEs in the context of his high performing school - have probably let him down

I'm sorry to hear this.

I would contact the university again and double-check. As you say, he didn't even get an ackowledgement email from Durham when he applied in October. I suspect that there has been a glitch in the system.

TonTonMacoute · 10/03/2019 14:30

@Coleoptera, just FYI

Different course (Classics) but DS didn't bother to apply for Durham because the course requirements were AAA*.

Due to a change in circumstances he ended up having an unplanned gap year, and had to reapply.

Second time around he applied to Durham with AAB, and got an offer straight away.

Coleoptera · 10/03/2019 21:06

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Bowchicawowow · 10/03/2019 21:28

DT2 sounds depressed. Perhaps a trip to the GP would be a good idea?

CBear99 · 10/03/2019 21:49

Coleoptera I feel your pain. We too have been waiting for a decision for History for over 5 months. My DD is also suffering and the affect on her confidence and self esteem is hard to watch. It is just not fair to keep good students waiting so long - especially when students with lower grades are celebrating offers on other threads. She's wondering just what she has to do to get an offer, having worked her absolute socks off to get 11A*s ( including the extra challenge and history provided by Classical Greek) She couldn't possibly have done any more or worked any harder regardless of where she goes to school - and as a parent I really resent this. Hopefully we'll get some news in the next few days one way or another so we will at least know where we are. I hope you get some good news.

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