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3 days into uni and dd is not happy - what can I do?

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Janus · 17/09/2018 10:37

Dd started on Friday, all seemed positive, went out for a big night out, etc. The next day she started texting that she felt tearful and rubbish. I thought this was partly a hangover but it went on and she went out just for food with flatmates but not out after. Sunday seemed ok, no real talk about hating it, out for a few hours in the evening.
Today is the first lecture day and she’s already texted to say the timetable is awful and she wants to come home.
She is doing radiography so it’s going to be different to many others as it will be much more hours and placements so she won’t be able to go on mad nights out and I think she feels this will alienate her from flatmates.
She is only an hour and a half away so part of me wants to tell her to stick the seek out and come back at weekends l, hoping she will gradually not want to do this. However spoke to a friend who is a lecturer yesterday and she said to not do that as it teaches them to come home every time they are struggling.
Any ideas? I haven’t actually rung her as I thought my voice would upset her but I have told her to call on a break so want to offer some advice when she does call.

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twiglet · 22/09/2018 08:18

Ouch your poor DD I think group mentality and alcohol will have played a part in last night but definitely not pleasant.
Tell her to stand tall and ignore them if one asks why she can explain that she was hurt by their behaviour and how would they feel after someone laughed in their face about a personal aspect of their life?
If she says that exact sentence I can garentee that they will blush say it was only a joke to which she can respond with didn't realise jokes were meant to humiliate and isolate people.....

The above may sound strange but it will make them think. She does need to resolve the issue rather than try to hide from it. Long term she can look into moving flats but there will be few options so early on and given she likes the girls nearby she may be best waiting a while.
The halls will also have a residential warden who she can speak to about options for moving. They are 3rd years/masters/PhD students usually and have received training (I used to be one when I did my masters)

Janus · 22/09/2018 08:27

Twig let, great advice, I shall be copying and pasting those exact words. This is why I love mumsnet!
One of the girls is a year 3 girl, don’t know if she was involved but you’d hope she had more sense.

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sashh · 22/09/2018 08:45

Tell her to get in touch with the student union.

It's not unusual to feel like this, everyone will be walking around looking super confident, inside some of them are crumbling.

Most student unions have someone to help, some do an all night phone line, they are there because the transition is more difficult for some than others.

Be warned another dip often happens just after Xmas. Students have been home and had a catch up with friends and family, had home made food, had gifts, then they go back to a cold miserable weather and often a set of exams.

Room/flat changes are quite common at this time, she can talk to the accommodation officer, maybe get a room with other radiology students.

Oh and she isn't the only one out of the 6, she is just honest. And why should she have sex just to please a complete stranger they are sharing a flat with at uni? Of all the reasons to have sex that is probably the worst.

badgeronabicycle · 22/09/2018 08:58

My heart goes out to you OP, such a stressful time. I think the main problem is that your dd is in a flat share with the wrong people.
Many moons ago, I was a medical student and lived in a huge Hall of Residence. I had more lectures in one day than some of the others had in an entire week. I found it really hard to socialise with them as their schedules and priorities were so different to mine.
The university recognised this would be the case, so put all the medical/dental and law students on the same floors and as a result I made some great friends that had similar commitments to mine. We still partied hard and had a great time.
She'll certainly become good friends with many of her course mates as they'll spend a lot of time together and will need each other to get through the trickier parts of the course. Hopefully she will be able to socialise with them more and ultimately get a flat share with some of them.

LIZS · 22/09/2018 09:00

How horrible for her. I'd bet the others exaggerated somewhat for effect. Student services should be able to facilitate a move and offer support. Does her halls have a student mentor assigned?

Alwa · 22/09/2018 09:04

It took me a long time to realise I didn't have to answer every question, I hope the other girls feel like shit today x

Janus · 22/09/2018 09:09

We are meeting her later today half way as she needs some documents for DRB check for her course. I will mention student services again, I have done before.
Will also speak about trying to find a Hall with someone in her flat or even the flat next door to the girls she likes would be better I think.
I’ve texted her again, still no reply. Feel slightly nuts.

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Janus · 22/09/2018 09:31

She’s texted, she’s ok.
The year 3 girl was involved, honestly a year 3 girls makes a first year cry, I hope she’s feeling proud this morning.

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nomilknosugarplease · 22/09/2018 09:33

Oh OP Flowers My DD hated the first semester of first year and I know how terrible it feels. If it helps, she’s still not the biggest fan of uni but she is the closest of friends with her group there and just gets on with it.

Has your DD started her lectures yet? Sorry if she hasn’t I’ve only skimmed the thread. When she does, she will hopefully meet likeminded people. As others have said, it’s not compulsory to like your flatmates - sometimes you’re just nothing like them and that’s okay. Hopefully she can find a nice little group in her lectures?

I sent DD little notes and presents and stuff to keep her going. Sent her a posh advent calendar at the end of November so she could feel comforted by how close chrisfmas was.

Oh and please let her come home for Reading Week Confused I know lots of students and especially in first year as they don’t tend to have too much catching up to do they pretty much all come home for the whole week.

ajandjjmum · 22/09/2018 09:34

This would have been my DD Janus, and I know how much it hurts seeing them so upset. She will learn so much from this experience, although it's horrible going through it. Does sound like her flatmates are a little immature, so she would probably do better to rise above it, and try and make social plans with the other girls she's met.

She needs to get a few sharp answers in her arsenal - twiglet's comments were excellent.

DS shared with a group of lads who he had little in common with initially, but when he got back after Christmas, one of them came running and gave him a big welcome hug, which was probably the first time I breathed out in 4 months!

Hope she's ok and that you can reassure her when you meet.

Temporaryanonymity · 22/09/2018 09:39

My relative is a radiographer and they really look after the students that come into the department.

Janus · 22/09/2018 09:59

Thank you again, in tears now with all your kind words!!
Yes she does have friends from her course already, 2 girls and 2 boys, she really likes them so I’m relieved she has that. She’s gone to the girls flat and out with all 4 on a night out. They will definitely be her friends and the flat she’s in will be where she cooks and sleeps i reckon.
I copied and pasted twiglet’s words to her, I hope she uses them especially to the year 3 girl.
I think she’ll be home for reading week. She has her own bedroom so she can do all the work there and get some rest. I couldn’t make her stay in that flat for that week now.
Thank you again for the kind advice.

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CountessVonBoobs · 22/09/2018 10:18

OP, in the kindest way, I think you're still a bit overinvolved here. The goal is for your DD to develop her own coping strategies and establish her own independent life rather than for you to be remote-coachinf her conversations with her flatmates. She's going to have times when she cries when she's away, gets hurt, gets into awkward social situations. She could have the nicest flatmates in the world and she'd still have a few sobbing meltdowns this year. It's all part of growing up.

I would start gradually stepping back. Reassure her generally and offer specific advice if she wants it but I think monitoring her entire day and all social interactions won't be helping either of you. By all means get a virtual handhold here yourself, but this really isn't yours to fix.

Janus · 22/09/2018 10:37

Countess, you are absolutely right. I honestly can’t maintain this level of involvement I know that. I think I was so angry I wanted to go and have a word with those girls myself (of course I wouldn’t) so wanted to give her something clever to say. She hasn’t commented on that at all though!! She will deal with it her own way I’m sure, I think that’s honestly going to be just to ignore the girls involved last night and that’s fine.
At the moment I’m too scared to not reply when she sends a distressed message as I don’t want her to think I’ve just forgotten about her but I do think we’ll do it less in the days to come. I will make an effort to be less in contact. We have always been ridiculously close so she’s just sounding off to me. She’s also got a very lovely sister who’s good at being in contact.
Thank you.

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Janus · 22/09/2018 17:10

Just had a lovely lunch with her. She came in with 2 friends from uni and then met up with them after our lunch. She cried when she saw us but was fine when we left. I think she’s going to just ignore the 3 girls that were the worst last night and get on with it.
I think she realises we are very accessible and that should comfort her. I’m siamang for no texts for the rest of the day!!

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Janus · 22/09/2018 17:11

aiming for no texts even!

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ajandjjmum · 22/09/2018 21:10

Glad you've shown your support and are now leaving her to it. She'll look back at what she learned from this - doesn't make it any easier as her Mum though!

sashh · 23/09/2018 06:01

Glad lunch went well.

junebirthdaygirl · 23/09/2018 07:36

Whats the big thing about not coming home in the UK? In lreland a lot of the students come home most weekends especially in the begining. Most have loads of friends and do really well. Coming home doesn't ruin their life. They often have jobs back home at weekends. Then gradually they start to stay more and maybe get a job in the college city.
I found with mine their best friends came from their course as they had so much in common. But it takes time so unless she hates the actual radiography she will be fine. Sometimes they can cry to you, get it all out and if you were a fly on the wall you would see them then laughing and chatting 5 mins later wiithout a bother. While you carry the burden all night.
But coming home an odd time wont make her unsetted, over cossetted, dependent..whatever. There are no rules.
But all in all sounds like she has done brilliantly for a beginner and she will not be depending on her flatmates for friendship.

Fairylea · 23/09/2018 08:12

Can I just say that whilst most of this advice is great for someone who enjoys going out with people all the time / making friends and doing lots of socialising - not everyone is like that. That’s why dh and I both didn’t cope with university, we are hugely introverted and just couldn’t cope with being away from home with tons of people and everything that goes with it. It sounds like the ops dd is going to get used to things and enjoy life at university but not everyone will. My dh is still - nearly aged mid 30s - very angry with his parents for not taking him seriously when he was extremely unhappy at university. He felt he had no support whatsoever, the people he was sharing with were awful and his whole unhappiness tipped over into clinical depression. Every time he rang his mum she basically cheerily hang up on him (not saying you’re doing this op by the way! You sound lovely) and told him he would be fine. He dropped out of university and came home and that’s when we met each other (I was a divorced mum of one when we met). Nearly 10 years on he is working in a very good job having worked his way up, so it hasn’t been a disaster but he is very upset with his parents for not taking his unhappiness seriously at university and says he will never do the same to our kids.

I think university suits some people, not all people. Just the social aspect is incredibly claustrophobic for many.

ivykaty44 · 23/09/2018 08:14

I agree in the nicest way that you seem very involved with your dd. Great that you are all so close.

I wouldn’t aim not to text, but just reply to her texts, also instead of giving advice - keep asking her what she thinks she should do/ what she’s thinking of doing or how she is going to handle the situation. That way you’ll make her realise she has her own answers

Needmoresleep · 23/09/2018 09:09

OP,
You daughter sounds pretty normal to me. She will probably be fine. But she may not be, and you need to provide watchful support. My DD coped with a pretty tough gap year, working in both France and the US, yet struggled when faced with the flat mates she was allocated. Looking at it in hindsight, it was probably one alpha character who took against DD, with none of the rest strong enough, or aware enough, to stand up for her.

Soooo:

  1. It was a mistake for her not to come home in her first term. She needed chances to be back in familiar surroundings to re-boot her self esteem and gain some perspective;
  2. She should have taken advice, from me, from her senior resident and from an older friend, to move flats. She had not really experienced bullying of this type before and believed she could win people over, so was unwilling to quit;
  3. I listened, a lot. She needed to offload her distress. I absorbed it. It was awful. It turned out that having offloaded on me she was able to keep up appearances at Uni, so sports friends had little idea of how unhappy she was, and the boys in her flat were pretty oblivious until they saw her packing to move out. I would gently try to suggest that things could not carry on, and that she needed to move, and about 4 months in, I phoned the accomodation office annonymously to find out what the process was. (She does not know this.) If this is over-involvement so be it.
  4. I discussed the problems with her elder brother. About 5 months in she was in real distress, and following a long conversation he had with her, he told me I needed to go down. I looked after her for a weekend, the senior resident stepped in and sorted out an emergency move, and one of her subject tutors (her course did not have personal tutors) went above and beyond.

She got through it, and there are no reasons why the problems of last year should repeat themselves. But that is because she is resilient, not because she is weak. And because I and others were ready to step in to support.

And yes, I am very aware of the standard MN line that you are a complete failure as a parent if your DC dont have a whizzy time at University. No, our DC are away from home, on a demanding course (DD was also on a more vocational course with lots of early starts and placements), sharing with 11 strangers, and sleep deprived as others will have turned nocturnal. Things will go wrong for some of them, socially, academically, financially or health-wise, and without established support networks at Uni, they will need to turn to existing networks from home.

Or a favourite. A friend's sociable and popular son had obviously overdone it at freshers week, and though he was the third to go to University, her instincts were that something was very wrong. In a phonecall he appeared to have lost all orientation, ie where he was, what day and time it was and so on. She got straight on a train, and stayed several days helping him reestablish sleeping and eating patterns. It is very out of character for her, but I think you should not question a mother's instincts. Its several years ago now, but he apparently was relieved to see her, and has clearly forgiven her if indeed there was anything to forgive.

Janus · 23/09/2018 12:11

Thank you. I have managed not to text her until she texted me this morning!! She had a good night out with flat and others last night. Says she has a tiny bit of anxiety but nothing like as bad as she’s had so she’s happy and up and about. I do wonder if anxiety is actually a bit of the affects of being out drinking and a late night (ie a hangover?) but just said it was good that it was better today.
I know I’m involved but I suppose I know her best and her needing to tell me is her way of dealing with it.
She said she had a word with her flatmates that took the mickey out of her on Friday night. Just told her it wasn’t nice to laugh at someone and make them feel miserable as she’d never do that to her, the girl apologies profusely. I think she’s got this now. She can deal with stuff but she’s just telling me what’s going on as she always has done.
My next daughter doesn’t share half as much withe me until she really needs to.
Every child is different aren’t they?!
I had a proper sleep last night, probably because I saw her yesterday and could tell she was happy when we left. No doubt she still have wobbles but I think she’s going to be very happy.

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Namechangeforthiscancershit · 23/09/2018 12:20

It sounds like she is going really well.

Not having had a serious boyfriend at 18 is so far from unusual. I can’t believe the girls would be so incredulous about it. I guess they are at the stage of seeing their whole self worth as dependent on interest from boys which is really sad for them but that’s another story...

Your daughter sounds lovely and is doing well at making real friends- these girls she’s been randomly assigned to live with will not matter to her by this time next year.

Glitterbubbles · 23/09/2018 21:53

I graduated from a UK medical school last year and similar to your daughter struggled massively at the start of uni. I had been away for months during a gap year, and been on lots of school trips etc so was well used to being away from home but it was the huge change that came with starting that next chapter of life which I found difficult, as well as the problem of being one of 2 students in my flat in halls who did a degree with more than 12 hours’ contact time per week. I ended up finding my friends in a different part of my halls, and spent most time with them as the year went on, and they still remain friends now 7 years later. The uni’s student services really helped me too, and I ended up having a few sessions of counselling to help me adjust. It is tough when other students don’t have as much work to do or as many lectures to attend but they will settle down and wear themselves out in time! All the best to her - I miss uni terribly now!! Xxx

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