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Engineering university choices....pls help

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Canadalife · 23/07/2018 19:57

Hello..we seek help and advice for lovely DD. My daughter is applying for general engineering this September. She is doing Maths, Further Maths and Physics A levels...predicted grades A,A A...poss Oxford.Definetly not London ie no Imperial. She is considering oxford , Durham, Warwick, Cardiff and Sheffield. Does anyone have any experience with any of these unis/cities, or other unis they’d recommend us looking at for engineering? All help gratefully received.. Thank you .

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Needmoresleep · 26/07/2018 10:25

Actually perhaps the answer is here:

'not a problem: the social life is where the students are, not v.v.'

If the idea of social life is a couple of big club nights each week, Imperial is the wrong place, though their rugby club still manages to enjoy themselves.

If your idea of social life is a subject society, or a special interest society, then Imperial is your place. Their gaming teams regularly wipe the floor when competing with other London Universities, sports are well resourced and funded, and there are plenty of chances to pursue interests like robotics, film etc.

Horses for courses. Ds had a great time in London, DD, at a University that is normally considered by MN to be fantastically social and fun, found the first year difficult. Advice would be to explore options before ruling places out. And definitely ask about bursaries.

senua · 26/07/2018 10:26

Zone 6 was tongue-in-cheek.

£170pwShock A quick google has found accommodation in other Universities at about two-thirds (or even just-over-half) of that price!

abilockhart · 26/07/2018 10:34

BusyBusyBusy1

Learning on the job is a fantastic way to learn. The apprenticeships would have been a fantastic idea 10-20 years ago but I fear the timing of their introduction now is unfortunate.

Many areas of engineering will experience dramatic change in the coming ten years due to automation, robotics, machine learning, augmented reality, artificial intelligence, etc. There will be a higher demand for engineers with exceptional mathematical and analytical skills and a decreased demand for those with experience on the job as this experience will be less useful and relevant.

If you are looking at an apprenticeship, do your research and make sure it is in an area that will still be relatively the same in 10 years time.

Needmoresleep · 26/07/2018 10:49

Really. DD claims that quite a lot at her University are paying around £150 a week for a room in a house/flat to be within 10 minutes walk of the University. (She got lucky but the flat is seriously scruffy.) Plus DS got free heating. London loans are higher, employment opportunities better, and bursaries worth researching. London is more expensive, but taken as a whole, it can be the best option. Including socially, depending on what you are looking for.

SuzanneVaguer · 26/07/2018 10:56

£170 p.w.? Sad Christ. How can anyone from an ordinary family attend Imperial/LSE/UCL?
DS is a born engineer, but we can't even think of Imperial.

bruffin · 26/07/2018 11:00

What about Lancaster as an insurance

BubblesBuddy · 26/07/2018 11:14

Not in all sectors of engineering. It is recognised as being an area of growth and we need more people.

When you hear the term “engineer” many people have no idea what level of qualification that actually means. We use it for the person who comes and fixes the dishwasher. Therefore an understanding of engineering is required before comparing apprenticeships with MEng courses. The huge difference is whether you can get Chartered or not with the former and how long it will take you. Will you ever get Chartered or is that not the expectation of an apprenticeship? Are they really training technicians?

To give you an example, DH was Chartered at 24. (MICE) That’s just about impossible now. Three years later, he was a Chartered Structural Engineer. He was a partner is his own business at 26. They now have several offices and around 120 staff. His hobbies as a young person (so he tells me) was taking things apart, putting them back together, rebuilding machines with his Dad (it’s s bit sad but lawn mowers were beloved of his dad). He made umpteen airfix models. He had architecture lessons at school which led to an interest in structures. They also took their 6th form students to have lectures by Heinz Wolf at Brunel University. He fixed cars and motorbikes - you get the picture. This really means you have an engineering brain! He did Civils and Structures at university. He’s not an academic. He doesn’t need to be. Few DC do much practical Engineering now (or ”furtling” as we call it) but there have been some amazing young engineers on Robot Wars. DHs school won the Times Young Engineers competition back in the day. It possibly didn’t matter where he went to university. I think he is a born engineer. A levels alone really don’t make a great engineer. Like every profession, there has to be that extra spark.

As someone in his 60s now and a Fellow of three Engineering institutions, he feels there are fewer born engineers around. They have great A levels but not an enquiring mind. I think it’s fair to say that some forms of engineering will always be in demand. You cannot design and build anything without a physical presence somewhere, AI won’t do everything - it won’t build crossrail or HS2 for example.

One of the big issues facing some engineers is that they rely too heavily on computer programs without having the expertise to know when something is wrong with the design. That’s where an engineering brain comes into play. You also need to get on with people and explain what you are doing and why. You need to work quickly and accurately or no company can make money out of you or pay you well!!! The money is there for the taking if you are good enough.

There is no point going on about Imperial vs anywhere else if you are not really an engineer at heart. If you want general engineering, the choices are reduced, as with aerospace and automotive and chemical. Many engineers find their interest at some point. I have been with DH for over 40 years so I do have a complete understanding of his disciplines but less of others in this huge subject.

LoniceraJaponica · 26/07/2018 11:23

Sheffield University either own or are massive stakeholders of AMRC. OH works with them and says the university is very higly regarded for engineering. There are also opportunities to take apprenticeship degrees.

BasiliskStare · 26/07/2018 19:44

Late to thread but a friend of DS put Southampton 2nd to Cambridge for engineering , and it was a thoughtful choice

LSE may be geeky but even in my day - back in the mists of time ( I was UCL ) they had the best Friday night union dances ( discos) ever - we all tried to sneak in - er by which I mean we made friends with LSE u/g and were invited. Grin

Canadalife · 26/07/2018 20:33

Hi all DD has read through and taken your comments into consideration, thank you all so much for taking the time to respond!

She will definitely look into Edinburgh Leeds and other universities suggested, she hadn’t really considered some of them before. She intitially looked at Warwick as it seems highly ranked but it seems to be getting mixed reviews on this thread, does anyone have any personal experience with it?

We know Imperial is a wonderful uni but DD really doesn’t want to be in London, for many reasons not just cost! Thank you for all your comments but it’s really not an option for her.

Having done work experience this week DD has been told industry experience is very important for a job after uni, any thoughts on that, are there any unis we should particularly look at for industry links?

Thanks again for all your comments and insights I hope the tread proves useful for anyone else looking into engineering at uni! It’s certainly been helpful for us.

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dingit · 26/07/2018 20:37

My dd is doing an meng in aerospace engineering. Year 3 is spent working in industry, she was told that many are offered a job at their placement after they graduate

LoniceraJaponica · 26/07/2018 20:40

Sheffield is brilliant for industry links.

BubblesBuddy · 26/07/2018 21:02

DHs friend used to lecture at Warwick - an engineering discipline. Warwick is top notch. I don’t think any students are put off by living in Leamington Spa in 2nd and subsequent years. The university is strictly campus and you have to want that. However for maths/engineering courses it’s very highly thought of. Certainly should be on the shortlist. Do you have a shortlist op?

BubblesBuddy · 26/07/2018 21:09

I do not think the poster(s) who didn’t like Warwick know anything about the engineering courses there or the high quality of them! DHs friend from university used to lecture at Warwick - an engineering discipline. Warwick is top notch. I don’t think any students are put off by living in Leamington Spa in 2nd and subsequent years. They expect to do that. The university is strictly campus and you have to want that. However for maths/engineering courses it’s very highly thought of. Certainly should be on the shortlist.

BubblesBuddy · 26/07/2018 21:11

Gosh - ignore one or the other! Glitch here somewhere!

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 26/07/2018 21:19

DS1 went to Imperial College, London.

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 26/07/2018 21:20

I should read the OP. Blush

NotMeNoNo · 26/07/2018 21:33

  1. Congratulations. Engineering is the best job in the world Grin!
  1. Did I miss the bit about why your DD is looking at general engineering? Is it lack of confidence on making a wrong decision? It's often possible to change courses. She is obviously very bright but it would be a shame to look less attractive to employers than students who have done specific courses.

Of course Oxford will have tried to sell the general engineering thing. Unless they were going to Oxbridge (where it's the only option) I don't know why someone would choose that over a specialised course. Even within disciplines engineering is vast, there's something for everyone. Mechanical Engineering is a good base to specialise from.

I thought about aerospace engineering, maybe I should have followed it up! I would not have been able to point to St Pancras station and say I designed the underground station though Grin.

Canadalife · 26/07/2018 21:35

As I type Dd is creating a spreadsheet!....and we started with a shortlist. Many thanks to everyone. It has been very very helpful.

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CraftyGin · 26/07/2018 21:43

I would expect no less than a good spreadsheet from a future engineer.

NotMeNoNo · 26/07/2018 21:45

As I type Dd is creating a spreadsheet she'll be fine!

dingit · 26/07/2018 21:50
Smile
Canadalife · 26/07/2018 21:50

Very cool to have designed an underground station! Dd has always been the kind of person who wanted to know how things worked and took things apart. She thought that physics was for her....because no one suggested engineering. She has done the headstart course which was a fab introduction and has several work placements over this summer. She is still exploring her options. She is looking to start an engineering course that will allow her to get a basic grounding and then specialise...but at the moment she is not clear what the specialism will be. That is part of what she is trying to work out.

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CraftyGin · 26/07/2018 21:54

Rarely mentioned, but Engineering is all about Science, Economics, and Communication,

JessyJames · 26/07/2018 22:14

We had a brilliant engineering degree talk at my son's school.
It was given by a fantastic woman from Surrey University. She was so enthusiastic and charismatic.
We'll worth a look!