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Engineering university choices....pls help

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Canadalife · 23/07/2018 19:57

Hello..we seek help and advice for lovely DD. My daughter is applying for general engineering this September. She is doing Maths, Further Maths and Physics A levels...predicted grades A,A A...poss Oxford.Definetly not London ie no Imperial. She is considering oxford , Durham, Warwick, Cardiff and Sheffield. Does anyone have any experience with any of these unis/cities, or other unis they’d recommend us looking at for engineering? All help gratefully received.. Thank you .

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CraftyGin · 24/07/2018 17:57

That was a private flat, btw. His first year Hall was on Gower Street and was £75 per week.

Canadalife · 24/07/2018 18:41

Thank you for all the interest...Dd is currently looking at Oxford, Warwick, Durham, Sheffield, and Cardiff. she is looking at places that have general engineering for the first year or two and then specialise.

This conversation has been very useful and has moved her forward. she does not want to go to Imperial due to the the size of the city. She is interested in practical application and currently thinking about employability. She would love to contact any engineers who have experience in the workforce or have been to any of these Universities. The call goes out.....

Thank you

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CraftyGin · 24/07/2018 18:57

She really needs to have a spread of requirements. It’s not helpful when they will all give the similar offers.

lljkk · 24/07/2018 21:00

Isn't Loughborough Uni quite good for engineering?

SquishySquirmy · 24/07/2018 21:16

Second Loughborough being very good for engineering.
It doesn't have the overall reputation that unis like Bristol, Sheffield etc have but is very good at the subjects it does well.
The offers they give out might be slightly lower than the other unis mentioned so far (they were when I applied but that was nearly 15 years ago so might have changed.)
As Craftgin says it is good to have a range of offers, just in case.

BubblesBuddy · 25/07/2018 08:30

Even if the DD gets AAA, there will still be top class opportunities available, just not Oxford who want AAA. Others don’t but she won’t need anything below AAA.

toomanytolist · 25/07/2018 16:27

DD initially looked at Oxford for general engineering but once she really got going with her research and compared the way the course was taught she opted for Cambridge in the end as she felt it would suit her better. Wanting support for doing a language on the side and a good option for a year abroad was another reason for the switch. So Cambridge might be worth a look.

I know your DD has discounted Imperial (which I don't think does general engineering) but they do a very interesting Design Engineering course with a dedicated Dyson building.

DerelictWreck · 25/07/2018 16:35

Canandalife I've PM'd you as I might be able to help.

abilockhart · 25/07/2018 16:49

I would certainly ask her to consider Cambridge, Imperial and Oxford, in that order. But if her heart is set on Oxford then by all means she should opt for Oxford.

After that, Manchester, UCL and Edinburgh would be the most highly--regarded.

The best of the rest would be Southampton.

newnamenewnamenewname · 25/07/2018 17:33

I know you've said not Imperial but, just in case cost of living in London is the reason, Imperial has a very generous bursary scheme of up to £5k per annum for home students with a family household income of less than £60k:

www.imperial.ac.uk/study/ug/fees-and-funding/bursaries-and-scholarships/imperial-bursary/

BubblesBuddy · 25/07/2018 20:34

Edinburgh and Manchester are not overly highly regarded for Engineering in all disciplines. Not that you wouldn’t be employable from any good university! I do know Bristol support MFL and you can go to a French Grande Ecole for your year abroad which is a fantastic opportunity (should DC be interested).

CraftyGin · 25/07/2018 20:46

Edinburgh is brilliant for Engineering.

jeanne16 · 25/07/2018 21:23

Both Edinburgh and Manchester are well regarded for engineering!

ReallyFastLoris · 26/07/2018 07:51

Another vote for considering Loughborough, a true Engineering university. They have an MEng Aero course that needs A*A A for example, a!though most courses will be a little lower. Lovely campus and fantastic employment rates.

babyboyHarrison · 26/07/2018 07:58

Im a structural engineer and have always been impressed with the graduates we've employed from Loughborough. I believe Birmingham is good too. I went to Cardiff which was a fab university and I loved it but think there are better uni's for engineering out there (don't think it is Russel group).

senua · 26/07/2018 08:33

Cardiff is Russell Group, FWIW.

I have reservations about ICL. Part of the point of going away to University is to broaden your horizons, and part of that is making friends with people who are studying different things from you. By its own admission "Imperial is a one-of-a-kind university in the UK, focusing exclusively on science, engineering, medicine and business". It's more of a subdivision than a universal.

babyboyHarrison · 26/07/2018 08:47

Senua, my apologies last time I looked it wasn't and I remembered being a bit surprised at the time. Glad it is on the list. It was a great university and Cardiff is a fab city. Lovely to have such a big park right by the city centre.

senua · 26/07/2018 09:00

It was a great university

Still is! Not in a pushy way, like some of the ratings-chasing Universities. It knows its worth and is comfortable in its own skin.

CaseStudyResearch · 26/07/2018 09:13

I lived with 3 engineers studying general engineering at Leeds and they loved it. All walked into decent jobs too.

DH is a mechanical engineer by trade - if she’s potentially keen on nuclear/power engineering, he’s happy to answer questions or give an insight. His team are desperate for enthusiastic young grads.

Needmoresleep · 26/07/2018 09:14

Senua, I dont disagree. However even in sixth form, some engineering types will have often found each other and will have relatively little to do socially with those taking arts and humanities A levels. And at University there can be real conflict between flatmates who have to be up for 9.00am labs and those who have 8 hours teaching a week including non compulsory lectures.

Imperial is accused of being geeky, but the counterargument is that it can really suit geeks. The chance to specialise early, exposure to world class academics, London, with a brilliant variety of public lectures, a fabulously bright and international cohort etc. Imperial is the perhaps most generous University for providing bursaries, so if money is an issue they are worth exploring. It is relatively affluent and has impressive sports facilities. And there is a certain amount of mixing. You could, say, apply to an intercollegiate hall, if you did not mind a daily treck to Bloomsbury. DS, at LSE belonged to an Imperial sports society with a school friend in his first year, whilst his friend used to go to the LSEs friday night disco, reputed to be the best student night in London.

Earning money is easier in London. An awful lot of London sixthformers seem to get tutoring from Imperial students. Working for events catering companies in the run up to Christmas etc. Plus you are on the spot for network and recruiting events.

Yes students will be scattered. But the advantage is that social life tends to be concentrated around the University. More so, probably, than at somewhere like Warwick where second and third years will be a bus ride away in Leamington.

It wont suit everyone, but an Imperial degree is a valuable commodity and so it is an option that should be explored rather than dismissed simply as 'too expensive' or 'no social life'.

BubblesBuddy · 26/07/2018 09:20

I was trying to articulate that Manchester and Edinburgh are not regarded as better than many of the other universities listed. In the minds of employers they are no more highly regarded than Warwick, Southampton, Sheffield or Leeds. As with many areas of engineering, where you go won’t make a huge difference to employment as long as you are competent and respond well to further training to get Chartered. Many who leave university are rough diamonds and have yet to experience the real world. Many ex polys produce great engineers because they offer a year in industry. Anyone employing engineers knows that.

However if you are looking at Imperial, Oxford and Cambridge, smaller employers don’t tend to see these grads. However as far as earnings are concerned, there’s plenty of opportunity to earn very well in smaller consultancies for example. Talent isn’t just confined to Oxbridge and many great engineers want a more nuanced course, eg civils, mechanical, automotive right from the start and choose the best in those fields. Not all universities offer all branches of Engineering so you can never say one is better than another if it doesn’t offer the course. Some do not offer general engineering as the op wants, for example. Plenty do not offer aerospace, environmental, automotive or chemical engineering. So just saying a university is the best - what is it “best” for? Why is it better than others? In the real world, the ranking of university in the top 20 may not make that much difference if the grad is a born Engineer and has done one of the best courses in their field.

senua · 26/07/2018 09:40

Yes students will be scattered. But the advantage is that social life tends to be concentrated around the University. but you have to leave early to catch the bus/tube to your digs in Zone 6. More so, probably, than at somewhere like where second and third years will be a bus ride away in not a problem: the social life is where the students are, not v.v.

Besides, I presume by now OP has crossed Warwick off the list because, as far as I can see, they don't do BioEng nor AeroEng.
However, I will concede that having digs near the University is quite an advantage because they sometimes need to be in the labs quite late. Not sure if this is due to heavy workload, paying customers hogging equipment during normal working hours or just the usual student procrastination / disorganisation.Grin

BusyBusyBusy1 · 26/07/2018 09:47

Doea anyone have any views on apprenticeships plus degree versus traditional degree courses? I can see lots of advantages to these but what might be the disadvantages?

practicallyperfectinmyway · 26/07/2018 09:56

Would she consider a Scottish uni?

Edinburgh, Glasgow and Strathclyde all do good engineering degrees. My dad was a prof in mech eng (specifically aeronautical) @ Glasgow. Great places to study. Good luck to her, the industry needs more females.

Needmoresleep · 26/07/2018 10:02

Senua. I rarely disagree with you, but dont get the gloom. Students dont have to live in Zone 6. A pp has already suggested that her dc managed to find affordable accomodation close to UCL and DS was very happy in an ex LA property in Zone 1 10 minutes walk from his University for £170pw.

Zone 6 would make no sense for someone only needing a room rather than a family house as the cost of fares would far outweight any cost saving.