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Fighting our way through 1st year uni (starting Sept 17)

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HSMMaCM · 17/01/2018 20:41

Continuing the previous thread.

Exams, assessments, essays, etc.

Support, or lack of it.

Will they all get accommodation for next year and can they cook a balanced meal yet.

OP posts:
MorvahRising · 22/05/2018 13:08

Errol I agree; DS has a great deal of lab time on his course, much of it with a lab partner. Absenteeism would be noticed immediately as it would affect both.

DS is panicking about exams. The first one yesterday he was cautiously optimistic about but tomrrow’s is a tough one. How common are resits I wonder? Is there any flexibility, ie if you’ve had excellent coursework throughout and you’re a mark below would you be let off? DS has worked so hard and I really hope he will be OK but you never know . . . .

needmoresleep I am so glad your DD is in a better place now. I have read your posts about her experience with my jaw on the floor. She must be a tough girl to have survived; she’ll be a great doctor!

bigTillyMint · 22/05/2018 13:12

Seems there's a lot if us with DC at Bristol or went ourselves!

My DD said their Senior Resident goes eould the flats regularly to check on them and answer questions/tell them things. They have also had stuff on in the JCR(?) and hall events.
Her department do monitor attendance - maybe because they only have 9 or so hours a week? But they were decimated by the strikes so wouldn't have been monitored at all at that time.

Dingit, sorry for your DD.

Xenia · 22/05/2018 13:25

One of my sons certainly seemed to greet the senior resident happily - it sounded like a good dynamic- someone a bit older to keep an eye on people. I agree about contact time and courses but also the individual personality of the person. Reading my 1980s diaries I had so much on at university - law - so many seminars, lectures (I went to everything), moots, once a week working in the law centre for 2 years right through the finals - sometimes we would have people queuing down the street for the free legal advice and I joined a lot - at least 2 choirs etc

Morvah one of my daughters did resits I think it was just before term started before start of year 2. It ruined the summer holiday a bit but her fault. Some employers want your marks in every module during year 1 by the way which my twins certainly know as I've told them. Although if they follow their brother into his career driving Ocado vans the only qualification they will need is the driving test they already have - I am hoping for a little of a higher status job for them but they are lucky he has set such a low bar since his degree..... laughing... although I am not denigrating those people who do his job nor his postal colleagues (he was a postman for 3 years before that).....

user1499173618 · 22/05/2018 13:45

I don’t think electronic badges or alert systems for the severely depressed are the solution. They are last resort responses to a crisis in the ecosystem. The ecosystem needs to be reengineered so that life in university residences poses far fewer risks.

brizzledrizzle · 22/05/2018 14:18

DD's understanding is that the University still plans to withdraw wardens, but will retain some (all?) senior residents

I wonder if this will mean that the private halls which will presumably still have wardens will be more popular? DD's halls has a manned office with several staff and a desk with people there 24/7. Now that's outing so I hope I'm not the only one who is keeping quiet about this thread to our students!

Xenia, I'm sure none of us will be saying anything, we're all in the same boat.

Needmoresleep · 22/05/2018 15:12

brizzle, interesting. I have a friend who manages the private accomodation for another (newer) University . They are much more proactive and have staff and security on duty at night and clamp down on anti social behaviour. I assume they want to protect their property/rental income!

User, what I meant was that Universities may know who attends via door entry systems. It seems logical that if someone fails to attend for a few days someone should be checking that they are ok. A school would phone a parent, indeed most workplaces would check. But students can go weeks without anyone doing anything. I posted this before which replicates problems DD has observed:

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2018/05/15/i-did-not-show-up-to-class-for-the-entirety-of-last-term-and-nobody-noticed-a-student-speaks-out-about-mental-health-at-bristol-university-33717

Xenia · 22/05/2018 15:18

(Yes keeping quiet about the thread, although I don't think I've really said anything I would mind my sons reading unless they were hoping to keep their confirmation quiet!)

One of my son's parents who had moved the whole family to England for his GCSEs or A levels then all moved to his university city so they could live with him there too (not Bristol). That however is a little rate, it must be said.

Needmoresleep · 22/05/2018 15:19

Also interesting. Academics are starting to express their own concerns.

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2018/05/10/parents-are-asking-awkward-questions-about-how-safe-bristol-is-an-academic-condemns-the-universitys-response-to-student-deaths-33629?utm_source=transactional&utm_campaign=recommendednext&utm_medium=youmayalsolike

I assume they are receiving plenty of questions at recent Open Days.

user1499173618 · 22/05/2018 15:20

TBH, I don't think that electronic monitoring of attendance creates the sort of climate in which students who are so inclined are going to be prevented from omitting to wash up, disturb others, take drugs etc. Anti-social behavior (even if the individual manifestations of this are not infringements of the law) is remedied by creating consciousness of the needs of self and others in order to lead a productive life.

bigTillyMint · 22/05/2018 20:44

Gosh those two articles make very sad and scary readingSad

Students who aren't coping come in all forms - some may be using partying and drugs/alcohol to mask their insecurities. Some may have some social communications difficulties. Some may "just" be immature, self- centred and thoughtless. And so on. They all need support, and it seems that Bristol is doing next-to-nothing.

DD is planning to go on the MH march on Friday. Any others planning to?

user1499173618 · 22/05/2018 21:36

I’m not sure that framing the Bristol issue in terms of “students who are not coping” is really addressing problem. Surely Bristol needs to ask what it is in the ecosystem that is causing so much distress?

brizzledrizzle · 23/05/2018 00:10

DD is planning to go on the MH march on Friday. Any others planning to?

Yes. Looks like there might be a small MN offspring contingent none of whom will know that there are other MN offspring there Grin

@Xenia - will yours be going?

Reading that article from the academic, I'd have serious concerns about sending a 'child' to Bristol now. That's going to be tricky as I have a younger one who wants to apply in a couple of years. Time will tell if I can advise for or against but not whether i will be listened to or not.

HSMMaCM · 23/05/2018 05:56

One of DD's friends is at Bristol. She had a chat to him yesterday after I told her about the things I've read. He said he's seen some stuff going on, but is happy and feels supported.

DD knows the places and people to avoid at her uni. It's lucky she didn't end up in one of the bad houses I suppose.

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Xenia · 23/05/2018 08:14

Luckily mine have found Bristol very supportive and good.

user1499173618 · 23/05/2018 08:20

Our DC who switched hall of residence at Bristol literally moved into a parallel universe! There seem to be massive issues of consistency between halls. The department was always very supportive, but wasn’t dealing with personal issues, just academic, which is as it should be.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2018 08:29

One of the reasons Bristol didn't make DDs top 5 after the open day was the difference she could see between the halls, and the high probability of not getting her first choice.

(The main reason was the department was surprisingly underwhelming)

Needmoresleep · 23/05/2018 08:59

HSMMaCM I agree. Nice flat now, no problems. Her only regret is that there has not been sufficient time to really make friends with her new flatmates. Bristol is a lovely City, she enjoys her subject and is happy with the course. She still feels she made the right choice, and I think this belief will grow. Plus, as a parent, it is a lovely place to visit.

Her senior resident, with a few years extra wisdom, had been urging her to move for at least a term. So, if she had listened to available advice, she would have been on the right track much earlier.

Except that advice was predicated on an assumption that nothing could/would be done about the anti-social behaviour within the first flat. Because of DD's distress I felt I knew her flatmates. Actually the whole narative sounded like a rough patch in Yr7, same personalities, just different names. To the extent that I would have loved to have phoned one mother and suggest she stopped the cash flow, and was she aware her DC had missed three months teaching or more, and perhaps even probe as to why her DC was losing the plot so badly. And to pick up another, and urge her to resist the unhealthy peer pressure. She had her whole future ahead of her.

And I think the same concerns affect DD and others. It will be awful for those whose friends have died. What could, or should they have done. Ditto with someone on DDs course, who dropped out. The 18 year olds did what they could to help with the transition to University level work, but wanted "grown-ups" to do their bit. (And here Bristol, who give out more contextual offers than perhaps any other University, have a special obligation to support - something the Sutton Trust allude to in a recent report on contextualisation.) I told DD a story about a first-year medic at another University being called to a neighbouring flat where someone had overdosed, and DD confessed she was terrified the same might happen to her.

Really useful first steps would be to bring some order and structure into first year accomodation. Then visible first points of contact for students who might be hurting, or their friends who are worried about them. These people, whether in halls or departments, should then be ablle to signpost - including getting a student urgent help when needed. Far better than relying on a troubled student to self-present. Some students will have been struggling with MH problems for a while, but others may suddenly hit a perfect-storm of academic challenges, relationship problems, and the impact of alcohol/drugs/poor diet/money problems/lack of sleep. You cannot predict when or to whom a crisis might hit. The route to help needs to be there.

Again sorry about my ranting. The problems are far from unique to Bristol. And some of the problems are shared with the City itself. I have been happy to recommend Bristol to London friends, as long as they are already adept at avoiding the druggie set that all London sixth forms have (and for whom Bristol along with Newcastle etc are favoured Universities!), that they go prepared to move flat if the dynamic does not work (a huge number do, and many moves are sucessful), and if they are likely to engage in their course and, ideally, in some University ativities. Sport, music, drama etc are all great and one of the big advantages Bristol has over, say, London.

Exams permitting, DD plans to march. Both Tab articles, and a third from a parent, reflect her experience.

user1499173618 · 23/05/2018 09:11

I agree wholeheartedly, NeedMoreSleep. Better and consistent management of first year accommodation is a crucial first step in improving living conditions for all. I also agree that Bristol has excellent extra-curricular provision and facilities. However, for students from backgrounds that were not full of middle class hobbies (sport, music, drama), Bristol has a lot of less healthy leisure temptations and I wonder what can be done to encourage take up of sport etc among those for whom it is not second nature?

Xenia · 23/05/2018 11:58

Do we have any statistics on how many of the Bristol suicide students had contextual rather than normal offers? I do not know if that is a factor or not.

user1499173618 · 23/05/2018 12:14

You are suggesting, Xenia, that it would be useful to try to establish whether students with contextual offers (ie who are less well academically prepared than others when starting their courses) are more likely to suffer psychologically at university. It is not an unreasonable hypothesis to suggest such students might need more support. However, in our DC’s case, the biggest issue he was confronted with was the dreadful accommodation. He made friends with others who shared his suffering but quickly left them behind when transferred to a far better hall. A less robust student might be spayed by the accommodation itself.

user1499173618 · 23/05/2018 12:14

Slayed

user1499173618 · 23/05/2018 12:22

TBH, I would not have been able to leave a daughter in the accommodation I refer to. Totally inappropriate.

Xenia · 23/05/2018 12:35

Oh dear. Mine have been happy with their rooms even though one is much bigger than the other (I prefer the bigger room but as they are both happy it's fine and in terms of hall just about over now; all gone so quickly).

I don't think that suggestion about increase in contextual offers co-relating (if it does) either with increased suicides or with increase in mental health problems but it is worth study as Bristol if I think one of the few universities with the most formalised contextual offer system and you might say (and I am not saying this is so) put people who are not up to the standard in at the deep end, expect them to keep up with people who get 2 grades higher and surely mental health issues will result. I am playing devil's advocate with that and plenty of contextual offer people end up actually getting high grades anyway at A level.

user1499173618 · 23/05/2018 12:43

One of our DCs is at Cambridge and his GF is a first year NatSci who got 4 A in her bog standard Sixth Form college. She is not suffering but has still felt far less well prepared, academically, than her peers who got 4 A at top flight private schools.

I’m sure there must be some students who suffer because they were less well prepared than their peers. If you add accommodation issues to that, life might be very hard.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2018 14:37

DD commented that the first year exam results (which are irrelevant to degree classification on her course) are deemed to not be good predictors of later results because some of the students who ace them do so because they've been to brilliant schools who've taught well beyond A level syllabus.... so they may have an easy first year but then things level out after that.

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