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University Open Days- what do you expect staff to wear?

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PoisonedIvy · 21/09/2017 15:45

Completely random question prompted by a discussion with a colleague.

I've just taken over the running of my department's open days. I'm leading one this Saturday.

Do you expect/want the academics leading open days to be dressed smart? I normally dress very casual for work and was planning to wear the same type of thing as usual for the open day (jeans, leather jacket, top, boots). But my colleague who ran open days where she used to work was of the opinion that staff should dress up a bit smart.

So, what do you think?

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MaisyPops · 24/09/2017 13:22

What an academic wears hasnothingto do with how good they are at their job.
Absolutely.Nothing
No. But what ANYONE weara on an open evening reflects on the institution.

E.g. At my school staff are businesd casual e.g. some men wear suits but others wear smart trousers, shirt&tie with a jumper/jacket. Women wear trousers/skirts with blouses/jumpers. Some of us wear blazers.

On open evening all staff other than practical subjects will be in business dress.

Nobody would think that's how were are every day, but it's an open evening and it is normal and reasonable to make an effort to smarten up.

Fffion · 24/09/2017 13:54

I agree, Maisie.

TeaAddict235 · 24/09/2017 18:18

user essentially, sadly, I don't really care for your desire to want to argue on a thread about what women in engineering wear. If you really feel so strongly and want to reach an audience The Royal Society of Engineers might be interested for the next magazine, but in the meantime one last note....

That picture that maisy put up shows someone in my opinion who is sloppily dressed. Would it work with the long corridors that some of my buildings contain? No. Those shoes for anyone who hasn't worn high heels on a regular daily basis would be painful after a morning of walking to/from a lab or meeting etc. Essentially the shoes are not practical and neither do they work with the outfit, they look cheap and make the wearer stand poorly (You can see that from the picture).

Yawn yawn yawn.

See you..... maybe we'll meet in the dept tomorrow? Wink I'll be in either flats or ankle height shoes as i want to wear my chinos.

Kez100 · 24/09/2017 18:53

Clothes?

I still remember my DDs tutor as he was dressed so oddly but it crazily looked so cool on him (he's a creative). This effect is not necessary.

I don't remember any others.

BoffinMum · 24/09/2017 20:27

I was at a really major research colloquium last week, with people who are serious leaders in a very important field of technology. I mean massively important. Big, big funding.

The women aged between 25-60ish were mostly in smart jackets and skirts/trousers/dresses, with good shoes and bags.

The blokes, well where do I even begin? The most amazing concoction of an outfit was bright yellow canvas trousers, a red shirt and a bright green sweatshirt. He looked like something off Rainbow. I would hardly have been surprised if Zippy leapt out from behind his chair. Yet this guy was probably one of the cleverest people on the planet.

Many of the other blokes wore more muted canvas trousers, but with cheapish trainers and washed-out sweatshirts. Their belongings were stuffed in freebie conference bags. They had made no effort with their appearance whatsoever.

Some of the older men, and I mean over 70, wore suits but fairly ill-fitting ones and ties that didn't really match their shirts.

The older women mostly wore flat black shoes, opaque black tights, bras that didn't quite hold everything up, and poorly fitting cotton dresses (they were generally all quite overweight). They looked a bit unworldly and messy, but their sense of colour co-ordination was better than the men.

In short, it seemed to me like the only people who were expected to make an effort was women between 25-60 and they had to spend a lot more time and money on their outfits in order to be taken seriously.

I am tempted to go along in my gardening clothes next time and see what happens.

GiantSteps · 24/09/2017 20:56

the only people who were expected to make an effort was women between 25-60

Yes, this is part of what I mean about the focus on how academics dress. The focus is mostly on women, and often on younger women.

jjgg · 24/09/2017 21:00

@GiantSteps just because I feel like everyone should make the same effort.

ZenHeadbutt · 24/09/2017 21:10

Boffin
In short, it seemed to me like the only people who were expected to make an effort was women between 25-60 and they had to spend a lot more time and money on their outfits in order to be taken seriously

Alternatively, rather than them feeling compelled to dress a certain way perhaps they just wanted to dress like that 🤷🏻‍♀️

LRDtheFeministDragon · 24/09/2017 21:55

Of course. We all want to dress like that and the only reason we all say we don't is because we are empty-headed frivolous things, Hmm

We also really enjoy the fact we get more negative evaluations than men who do exactly the same teaching and research. It's just so fun.

GiantSteps · 24/09/2017 22:27

And often those negative evaluations comment on what we look like, what we wear, what our voices sound like, anything that marks us out as NotMen.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 24/09/2017 22:29

Yup.

user327854831 · 24/09/2017 22:31

I can't remember what any of the staff were wearing when we looked round several universities so I suspect it was all fairly standard - nothing with outrageous slogans and nothing too scruffy, just normal smart casual clothes.

PoisonedIvy · 25/09/2017 10:21

In the end I went with black jeggings and a long, white shirt with an over-sized statement silver necklace.

Unfortunately the room I was allocated for the day was freeeeeezing cold so I actually spent the day with my "vintage" old and battered denim jacket on and a big woolly scarf wrapped around my neck.

So, I did try and go a little bit professional but in the end it failed because the university heating isn't on yet.

Upthread a few people have mentioned standing out from students/parents but after I've delivered my five talks and am on my way home, I don't want to stand out because I don't want anyone asking me questions Grin

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GiantSteps · 25/09/2017 11:13

because the university heating isn't on yet

I feel your pain. For the next month I freeze in my office. It's in a very picturesque old building, with lovely big windows - except they're not double-glazed. It's OK when the sun shines, but from now till mid-October, I wear outdoor clothes in my office, or a big jumper or shawl & have a rug over my knees, it's so cold. I have to book a warm room for meetings with my students.

PoisonedIvy · 25/09/2017 11:17

Giant It's this time of year that I feel fortunate to have a pokey little room with tiny windows. We're also in a very old, single-glazed building and most of my colleagues freeze in Autumn.

My little electric heater heats my cupboard room fine though I always have a hot water bottle in my desk and a spare pair of socks Grin

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irregularegular · 25/09/2017 13:36

I find my gown remarkably effective as an extra warm layer before the college heating comes on.

But I have to remember to take it off before anyone comes in as I feel rather silly!

PoisonedIvy · 25/09/2017 13:53

irregular I don't own a gown Confused

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GiantSteps · 25/09/2017 16:39

Yeah, I guess I could wear my gown, but the sleeves get in the way a bit. And the hat is just silly.

irregularegular · 25/09/2017 22:12

I don't own a hat.

I like the sleeves, you can keep all sorts in them. Keys, tissues, snacks, lipstick...

chemenger · 26/09/2017 07:18

I want to be able to wear a gown every day [pout] it's not fair. We don't have hats here, they were banned back in the sixteenth or seventeen century. I might try and start a gown trend.

TSSDNCOP · 26/09/2017 07:28

Leggings no.

In no walk of life can leggings be described as professional or much beyond "I'm not giving a toss today".

GiantSteps · 26/09/2017 08:43

In no walk of life can leggings be described as professional or much beyond "I'm not giving a toss today"

Funny that. In some of the things I have to do in my teaching, leggings or the like, are the only things to wear. Not to wear them would be unprofessional, unprepared, and mostly unable to do the teaching or the learning.

Just goes to show - don't make generalisations.

InDubiousBattle · 26/09/2017 09:16

In all honesty dp doesn't really give a toss about open days. He looks reasonable (jeans and checked shirt)but not really smart. Open days are mainly just a pain in the arse that take up last of a Saturday.

GiantSteps · 26/09/2017 09:27

that take up most of a Saturday

Yes, and unlike professional & other staff, academics don't get TOIL or overtime.

TSSDNCOP · 26/09/2017 19:14

Leggings: functional if you insist. Professional no. You're seriously joking about overtime, plenty of people work extra unpaid hours in their jobs. Turning out to PR your university ensures you attract the students to ensure you have a requirement to continue in yours.