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A warning to anyone applying to St Andrews

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MissPiggy5 · 21/02/2015 16:37

Can I please just warn any of you that have offspring with applications in to St Andrew's of the ridiculous situation and bun fight that happens in February of the 1st year, to find accommodation for the 2nd and subsequent years?

We have just had a horrendous time with our gorgeous DS, who got into St Andrews as his insurance choice after very narrowly missing out (0.5% in one paper FGS) on a place at Cambridge. Please let this tale of woe be of guidance to all those out there who are deciding on any offers received and how to 'play' the Firm v Insurance choice lottery.

First of all, being English doesn't help - no real surprise there. DS received his A level results mid Aug alongside everyone else, but a month after the Scottish students receive their Highers results. Net result: he was allocated his 'guaranteed' accommodation on a take it or leave it basis. This was not the mid-range but still expensive halls he had applied for, but the absolute top of the range catered, en-suite flat that is let out to golfers over the summer. We had no choice but to accept with Uni start on 6 Sep, just over 2 weeks after A level results so are now paying £7500 for 2 semesters - 1 Sep 14 - 30 May 15, which is actually £1000/month.

Being of middle income, so getting no help with anything, we asked DS if he could possibly find somewhere cheaper to live next year as paying this amount is not sustainable for us.

Next comes the horrendous 'releasing of lists' by local estate agents on 1 Feb to coincide with the 7 days that re-application for halls is open to current residents. What a nightmare. Our poor, unprepared DS spent the best part of a week both day and night chasing his tail. In brief, the vast majority of the university's students are from wealthy backgrounds and they actively recruit from such places as California; this obviously drives the local economy especially regarding private housing. Maybe its the Kate and Wills effect, who knows? The estate agents are shameless and seem to be running a cartel. There were queues round the block to book viewings with literally hundreds of students applying for each available house/flat. Most require multiple references and interviews to even get a viewing and then, even if they're luck enough to be successful, large deposits are being demanded to secure the property. Not only that, there are no properties available at all anywhere in the area from 30 May due to the golf so students don't even have the option of staying locally and getting some summer work.

The situation got so bad this month that there was a demonstration yesterday to demand that the University and local council take action. There's also a petition which will be sent to the Principal and Vice Chancellor at link. Even if you don't sign it, please read the comments left by students and parents alike; it makes for very worrying reading.

www.change.org/p/professor-louise-richardson-accomodation-and-business-services-tell-us-how-the-university-plans-to-address-the-potential-accommodation-crisis

The situation for us now is that DS has re-applied to go back into halls, self-catered this time to save a little money, but the bill is still going to be £6200/year, which is much higher than the rest of the UK but still cheaper than private rental. There is absolutely no guarantee he'll get in, and if he doesn't I have absolutely no idea what we'll do.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I really wish I knew all this a year ago as I would now be having a very different conversation with DS about his options once his offers came in.

A rather distraught and angry Mum.

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ChilliAndMint · 21/02/2015 18:40

www.spareroom.co.uk/

cosmicglittergirl · 21/02/2015 18:42

For what it's worth, this is nothing new, I attended St As 15 years ago and it was a problem then. I shared a bedroom in halls for my first year and again in a private flat for my second year. He might have more luck in the 'suburbs' of St Andrews. If it's any consolation, I never knew anyone not find somewhere to live, it just wasn't in their preferred location.

PrimalLass · 21/02/2015 18:48

A room in a flat works out at about £400/month, so not too horrific compared to halls.

indyandlara · 21/02/2015 18:52

All over the news last week about the same situation in Edinburgh. Queues around the block, huge rents. This isn't new and it certainly isn't the Kate and Wills effect. It was like this in the early 90s when I went to Edinburgh Uni. None of my friends applied to St Andrews because living there was so expensive. scottish students will get their results earlier as they sit their exams earlier in the year and our school terms are different.

MostAmused · 21/02/2015 18:54

Loads of places outside of St. Andrews on Zoopla. Transport links from Cupar, Dundee, Tayport, Leuchars and other villages between Dundee and St. Andrews are reasonable think you can go from St. Andrews to Dundee every 15 minutes so there's really not a huge need to stay in St. Andrews itself. Nightlife in Dundee is much more active anyway.

cashewnutty · 21/02/2015 18:56

I live in St Andrews

I have spare room.

If he is quiet, clean and likes walking a dog he can come here!

Grin
MissPiggy5 · 21/02/2015 19:52

Cashew nutty - yes to all 3!!

I may well get back to you once hall allocations come out on 5 March!

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expatinscotland · 21/02/2015 19:59

It's always been an expensive area and is very small, with a high percentage of pupils with very rich parents or family.

cashewnutty · 21/02/2015 20:13

I also have a 17 year old DD - he might enjoy that too!

MissPiggy5 · 21/02/2015 21:02

Ha ha! He has a girlfriend at Uni but they have (rather sensibly IMO) decided not to live together. He's 19 and studying Medieval History.

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Molio · 21/02/2015 21:40

OP I have five DC at or through uni and a sixth due to go and I find the prices quoted for St A unreal. Both my parents went to St A, my father as a wartime refugee, and the idea of a 'Wills and Kate' effect is repellent. Chinless wonder and vacuous girlfriend, neither with anything to say, and a very bad ad for the uni. My DC at a southern uni in an affluent city have never paid more than £550pm living out.

AmazingDisgrace · 21/02/2015 23:50

I must confess I started reading the OP thinking "Oh Boo bloody Hoo" but having given it some thought I'd like to apologise for that initial reaction.

DD considered Edinburgh (it being mine and my DH's home town, our families are there, she loves the city and the course was right) After her AS results she reluctantly discounted it as at least one subject was never going to end up an A.

She would have definitely wanted Halls and this situation would've been a nightmare financially. DS1 has sights set firmly on Edinburgh (and academically has a better chance -sorry DD Blush ) but he'll be happy lodging with SIL in the outskirts and bussing it in

PrimalLass · 22/02/2015 00:31

If they can't even get a school built after years of wrangling, how can they build enough student accommodation? The town has changed enormously in 20 years, but it isn't all about the students.

jeanne16 · 22/02/2015 07:15

Slightly off topic, but if I have my way, my DC will not be applying for Scottish unis. Since we live in England, I cannot see the point of embarking on a 4 year degree for which we/they will have to pay. Better to go for a 3 year degree which should save around 15k ( fees plus living costs). Added to that would be my personal annoyance that the majority of students, incl all the Scottish and other EU pupils, would not be paying any tuition fees.

cosmicglittergirl · 22/02/2015 08:25

That is a good point jeanne. Four years is too long really, especially if you study an arts degree and only have ten hours a week!
I went to St As the first year of the tuition fees, but was told we would only pay for three, then in the fourth year got a letter saying that had changed!

MissPiggy5 · 22/02/2015 09:27

DS is on a 4 year course but its for an MA not a BA. I don't know if this is the same for all subjects?

Cashewnut - if you're even semi serious about letting your spare room please PM me and we can talk some more. I'm trying to put together a list of options for D'S should we get the cry next week that he hasn't got back into halls. I tried talking to him last night about this but he's still really stressed about it all so I dropped it for now but would like to get ahead on his behalf if possible. Thanks, MPx

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cosmicglittergirl · 22/02/2015 09:54

All courses are an MA for four years at Sandys. It's not quite the same as a BA and a MA together. Just the Scottish system I think. Oxford do something similar.

Molio · 22/02/2015 10:03

Oxford doesn't do anything similar cosmic. The St A four year degrees are quite different from the four year courses at Oxford, as those are exactly a bachelor's degree plus a masters, which the Scottish degrees are not. The four year thing in Scotland is related to the fact of Scottish DC finishing school at a younger age, so it's the first year which is different, not the last.

Molio · 22/02/2015 10:08

Incidentally, thank you for drawing attention to the issue about accommodation OP, I for one had no idea and the sums you quote are horrendous. How does that fit with any access initiative for less well off students? It sounds scandalous. I feel extremely sorry for your DS because obviously it will affect his enjoyment of the whole experience if he isn't living with friends - I hope it works out.

cosmicglittergirl · 22/02/2015 10:22

Ah ok. I'm basing my knowledge on my husband having an MA from Oxford after four years but not a BA also, but this is from a few years ago.

Merrylegs · 22/02/2015 10:34

As the parent of a student in London I am going to say boo hoo to you a little bit because there is nothing you can tell me about extortionate rents and poor housing that I don't already know, but I do think it is a salutory lesson to those contemplating university who will get only the minimum loan - it is really expensive. I want to say to all those 'can we afford private school if we eat beans on toast and holiday in the garden' threads - really really save your money for Uni because it is a v expensive shock.

ganeshamouse · 22/02/2015 10:41

I know quite a few academics who work at St Andrews and none of them live in the town - far too expensive and they want to escape the students

Hakluyt · 22/02/2015 10:44

Puzzled at stories of people queuing round the block in Edinburgh- dd is currently looking at flats for next year and there seem to be plenty available.......

ganeshamouse · 22/02/2015 10:44

The Oxford BA is three years, with the MA degree automatically awarded 21 terms after matriculation (ie. four years after graduation), and replacing the BA. It's not a four-year course like the Scottish degrees.

Hakluyt · 22/02/2015 10:45

I thought you automatically got an MA from Oxford if you graduated, paid up and survived 5 years ( I think) without being chucked in prison?