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Still waiting to hear from Durham

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ryansbeat · 12/01/2015 09:56

Would anyone like to join me in the wait to hear from Durham....feeling so stressed on DDs behalf as she is convinced that she won't get an offer (having been rejected by Oxford). I think that if she doesn't get an offer there she's going to take a year out and reapply....she says she'll be more upset to get rejected by Durham than Oxford. Just wish they would make a decision either way so she can plan ahead. Anyone else waiting to hear....why do they take so long?

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Tantalisingduck · 13/02/2015 09:12

If families of children who don't get offered a place from Oxford or Cambridge want to come to terms with their disappointment with a "Oxford/Cambridge is crap" and a bolstering up of the uni that the DC will be going to, be it Durham, or Bristol, or manchester, then that is their prerogative. It's only a month after the offer/rejection letters came out, so a little licking of wounds is wholly understandable and acceptable....webwiz and the others posted in here for a little support - it IS the DURHAM thread remember - and it really isn't kind or helpful Molio to come on here to extol the virtues of Oxford.

As I've posted before I have 3 DCs , one went to Oxford, one went to Durham and graduated last year, having tried for Oxford, and the third is going to Durham this October (having started an application for Oxford last year but she pulled out after she was offered an interview for health reasons). She decided not to apply again this year, notwithstanding stellar grades at A2 across the board and despite unsolicited encouragement from the admissions officer she had spoken to the year before encouraging her to re-apply.

Yes DS found a lot of his cohort at Durham had applied to Oxbridge, particularly in his subject of PPE. But so too have many at other universities all over the country. But no, they did not sit licking their wounds and counting their UMS marks and telling interview anecdotes or wishing they were somewhere else. DS had a great time, couldn't conceive of being anywhere else, and has got a training contract at the City law firm he liked most. No more doors were opened to his friends at Oxbridge as far as he can tell.

Yes DD had a lovely time at Oxford...she's now working (on a little more than expenses only remuneration basis) at a small local theatre, supplemented by tutoring, because theatre production is what she wants to do, and Oxbridge doesn't open doors to that, though hard work and enthusiasm will I am sure get her nearer her dream.

I hope Molio's DCs who have now left Oxford have found what they want to do - I'm sure the jobs they have secured are down to them, their personalities, interests, skills and not just because Oxford opened doors to them....

And who knows about DD2? - in answer to Kitties and back on a Durham thread - she is a clever, popular, nice and kind girl who is nonetheless plagued with anxiety issues following five years of Chronic fatigue and part time schooling and all the rest that goes with this debilitating illness. She is exceptionally scared about the whole university thing - making friends, fitting in, keeping up with the work, coping with the work, staying well - and has nightmares about sitting alone in her room crying. THAT concerns me more than worrying that doors won't be opening to her in future because she did not feel strong enough to cope with even the application process to Oxbridge.

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 09:21

Molio you're worth a bob on, I'll give you that.

Suddenly coy about your children's lives being on the Big Bad T'internet Grin. You posted their ages, their sexes, their school, their A level choices, their university applications (with run down as they get offers), their jobs etc...and that's just the ones I've seen!

Probably not wise...but your call...

Funny though, that the lives of your DC are up for grabs, but your professional life can never be divulged. Trade secret that.

Can't ever tell us where all your 'expertise' comes from Wink.

Apologise? Nah. There's only one person needs to apologise, and that's you to webwiz for your snidely little dig at her DS while pretending to be oh-so-supportive. Pretty revolting.

Molio · 13/02/2015 09:49

Td I haven't mentioned Oxford, you have. It just isn't there. I picked up a comment about Cambridge that's all. Quite fair. My comment wasn't addressed to webwiz.

Word I'm not especially insecure and I don't feel any need to come on here and be pompous, so I won't. I post offers in exactly the same way as everyone else. Nothing different at all and all quite low key. Check out the threads and the context before you make statements like that. I've not given stuff out about my kids in any more detail than anyone else and I've never ever mentioned their school (unlike you with your DC, but that's your call). I'm sure it's against the guidelines to try to id other posters or name their child's school. I think it's time to call this a day but I should first put on record that I find your stalking deeply weird. Really quite badly weird and obsessive. Creepy frankly; please stop. I'm really not that interesting. Also for the record, I strongly object to your last sentence. It's a very unpleasant reflection on you, but not on me. I don't do that stuff and I don't think like that, so bog off and stop being vile.

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 09:58

molio I don't stalk you.
You know that perfectly well. You're right, you're not remotely interesting enough Wink.
I will say exactly what you said to another poster who accused you of trolling her. We're bound to come onto the same threads if we have the same interest

What I remember about your children's posts are the result of too much time spent on MN and a good memory (blame dyslexia). If you think that I am the only person to remember this stuff, then you're delusional.

You put stuff out there. Posters read it. Posters remember it. If you don't like that, then stop posting this stuff!

Me, I aint fussed. It goes without saying that people will remember things I post...If they bring things up I've posted, then I'm not gonna start belly aching about it.

As for what you said to webwiz...well...I think anyone with half a brain and a modicum of decency would know what you said was likely to upset.

Or perhaps you thought it might help her? Do tell...

Molio · 13/02/2015 11:02

Yes I have a quite exceptional memory for dull detail too Word, so I'll let you off on that :). But I won't let you off on the incontinent misrepresentation of what I've said on MN, nor how I've said it, nor the motives behind what I say which are completely straightforward and not unpleasant at all. As I say, those accusations reflect on you, not me, and it isn't a good look at all. My posts are really very unbraggy with one or two rare exceptions when seriously provoked, usually by one particular poster with a big, big bee in her bonnet. Although you appear to be becoming her close second on the big bee front. They stand up very well to comparison of others' posts re their kids tbh. In fact a lot of the time I do my kids down because I'm very conscious that their collective educational history isn't going to be a vote winner. That's not why I'm here and I have no need of it - why would I? - but I can add knowledge and experience and I'm quite entitled to join in the uni offer threads or exam threads as mine go through the process without having to constantly defend myself against your sort of unpleasant comments.

As for your last comment, my post was a direct response to the poster who said Cambridge decisions were mad and came out with the thing about Durham and better grades. webwiz has nothing to do with it, and the comment wasn't directed at her. Read the thread properly, without prejudice, before slagging me off.

Tantalisingduck · 13/02/2015 11:24

"Much better to just shrug shoulders surely, because the world outside will compare and Oxford and Cambridge will actually always come up trumps and there's no point arguing really - better just to accept and enjoy what Durham has to offer while you're there, which is ample".
"Frankly, I'd rather be at Cambridge with an A or two less than at Durham, however gorgeous Durham is (and it is properly gorgeous). Cambridge will probably open doors faster later on than Durham, on the whole, regardless of an extra at A2"

I think those two sentences certainly jar, and are unnecessary, in a thread about Durham, made at a time when posters are still upset by their DC's rejection from Cambridge or Oxford...you have been in an unusual position, a fabulous position but surely not a common one, of having seen all your DC to date go through the Oxford application process and succeed in getting an offer. Amazing and you are rightly proud. The other side is that you haven't experienced the mixture of emotions a parent gets seeing their undoubtedly bright DC be rejected from something s/he has set their heart on. If those parents want to comment on here/to their families in words to the effect that their child will be better off at , in this instance Durham, then let them. I am certain that their DCs will go onto have a wonderful time in Durham (or wherever) and all the current distress will be a thing of the past. It's new and raw at the moment.

Having said that, I do agree that the Oxbridge admissions people do get it right. I applaud them for continuing to widen the access rather than take their students from a narrower band of very able private school children which makes their task even harder. If could take even more students they'd get it right even more....And I do agree too that A level results (certainly the difference between A and A) are not the best indicator of ability to succeed at university - but while you're still at school that's all you have to go on, so if you're an A student it would be easy to feel very disappointed if one of your "less clever" ( in A level terms) peers got an offer and you didn't...

I'm on these boards too much myself now....but what do the DCs at Durham wear under their gowns on these formal dinner nights? And will your DCs be going to the Post Offer days with overnight stay next month?

Waitingaround · 13/02/2015 11:48

Thank you tantalisingduck yours is the post I should of wrote.
Ds will be going to the post offer days and will choose his firm after that. Not sure what they wear under gowns- something I hope! Grin

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 11:54

molio think readers of your posts just might view them in a slightly different light Wink.

...O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!

Your comments about Durham on the Durham thread were crass and hurtful. You've been told this, and not just by me, the arch enemy Hmm...

If you insist that your intention was not to upset, then ok. But your comments were very ill judged. But by all means keep on defending them.

Molio · 13/02/2015 12:01

Wrong Td. For a start my niece, an exact contemporary of one of my girls and close to us, has recently been in exactly this position. And how absurd would it be if my DC had never had setbacks. Of course they have. I know precisely that mixture of emotions - there's more to young lives than an undergrad offer from Oxbridge. My posts should be read as intended - as someone who valued Durham enormously and would want others to do so too, in its own right.

GentlyBenevolent · 13/02/2015 12:08

I know two young people currently at Durham (children of friends, both given the impression by their (different) schools that they were a shoo-in, neither particularly well prepared for plan B when the unthinkable happened), both applied to Oxbridge and didn't get in. One of them adopted the 'sod 'em, then, their loss' approach, moved on, and is having a magnificent time, hoping to go on to postgraduate study (still at Durham) and couldn't be happier. The other, encouraged by his rather bitter parents, is as chippy as can be and consequently having a miserable time and it's such a shame. Durham can clearly open as many doors as Oxbridge if people make the most of their time there - I have a colleague (slightly older than me, went to the school down the road, he remembers me from our schooldays I don't remember him at all) who went to Durham having apple unsuccessfully to Oxbridge and I'd say that although we have both done very well, he has done better than me - he's the least chippy person I've ever known. For Durham graduates the world can be their oyster and while it is true that oxbridge on your CV can be useful, I don't think that Durham on your CV is anything other than an asset either. My DD1 can't apply to Durham because they don't offer the course she wants but if she could, she would and she'd be delighted to end up there. It's clearly an amazing university. But it can't make its students impervious to self sabotage.

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 12:13

gently it would be interesting to know what makes any of us successful adults (or not).

Family, school, university, personality, class, money...a slippery mix of any and all of the above?

KittiesInsane · 13/02/2015 12:17

Thank you to everyone who has posted such reassuring answers to my DS!

Tantalising, DS also has some pretty severe anxiety issues and nearly pulled out of A-levels altogether because of it. All I can do for him now is reassure and try to boost his confidence. Oh, and possibly train him to make coffee/cocoa/hot Ribena for those all-night chatting sessions, if he can only find a friendly face or two to chat to...

Post-offer days -- eek! Knew there was something I needed to chase DS about. He is working full-time (Gap year) and rarely remembers to check his e-mail.

GentlyBenevolent · 13/02/2015 12:19

Word - I'm a bad example for this particular thread because I'm one of the people who probably shouldn't have got into Oxbridge (I was almost certainly there as a result of some quota or another (ticking several boxes as I did)) and who has definitely only got the career I have as a result of the magic name on my CV, which cancelled out all the negative strokes against me certainly at the outset but also at points along the way ('yes, she's a stroppy nutter who can't reliably negotiate walking through a door but look, she went to xxx she can't be all bad surely?' syndrome Grin ).

I honestly believe the advice to move on, make like Idina Menzel and embrace the new panoply of opportunities offered by a place at Durham rather than clinging on to bitterness is good advice.

Molio · 13/02/2015 12:25

Another cross post Word and in absolutely no way a response to yours which appeared immediately above my own. Of course I'm not backtracking since nothing I wrote about Durham was crass or hurtful, what an idiotic thing to say. My affection for Durham is vast, whereas you have appear to have no connection. Try reading the words Word, instead of inventing ones which aren't there.

I'm sorry but I don't regard you as an arch enemy Word. Now you're being petulant as well as daft.

KittiesInsane · 13/02/2015 12:25

DS's verdict was 'Cambridge might have been nice but it's a bit... flat'.

Which is undeniable.

Molio · 13/02/2015 12:28

I don't think we/ they can book post offer days until college allocation comes through Kitty. DS's hasn't, not yet.

Tantalisingduck · 13/02/2015 12:29

Kitties, I don't think the invitations are out yet - DD who deferred (so also on a gap year now) was told that they would be coming out in mid February, when colleges are allocated to students. The dates for the one days are 17th or 18th March I think, with option to stay overnight the night before. My DD has suggested that she doesn't need to go, it will clash with work etc, but I reckon she really SHOULD go, just to see that everyone is just like her, a bit nervous, normal people and to get a glimpse of life in college...

Perhaps you could let me know via here if your DS mentions that the application forms for the open days are out, and vice versa !!

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 12:30

kitties I think it's fair to say, and I'm sure you know that Durham does have a high percentage of students who attended private schools.

40%. And some colleges have a higher percentage than that. I think Hatfield has almost 50%.

This is where the view that it's 'posh' comes from.

I think it would be a bit patronising to a bright young man to tell him everyone is going to be down to earth Wink.

But all he needs to know is that students from private school are just like everyone else. Some are lovely and some are dicks. Same as the state schooled students Grin.

Apart from a very small minority everyone mucks in together.

If he doesn't like the idea of formality (formal dinners etc) then he doesn't have to engage with that. Although it is only eating your tea in a gown or a suit! With wine Wink.

KittiesInsane · 13/02/2015 12:30

Ah, ok. But at least you know what you don't know, IYSWIM.

I think I need a spreadsheet.

KittiesInsane · 13/02/2015 12:31

(Sorry, that was to Molio -- slow typing!)

KittiesInsane · 13/02/2015 12:34

He'd be fine with the formality, WordFactory, but not so fine with the dinners. Hates the noise in restaurants and dining halls, and has (ahem) food issues anyway. It's never the obvious problem, with DS.

Wonder whether he can wear a formal dinner suit plus ear defenders...?

KittiesInsane · 13/02/2015 12:36

So if anyone goes to the open day and finds themselves sitting with a worried, spindly sort of a chap with ear defenders and a rather charming smile, that's DS.

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 12:36

gently I'm bloody sure I got my place at Oxbridge due to a bet amongst the tutors Grin.

The first one to find a bleached-blonde northerner who doesn't know that Earl Grey is tea (true story), wins a badge.

Perhaps I got offered my job to fill a quota too Grin. I'm certainly a bit...ahem...different...

TheWordFactory · 13/02/2015 12:38

kitties honestly, he doesn't have to do them. There's nearly always an early normal sitting beforehand.

And some colleges only do a couple a term anyway. Easy to get a takeaway that night if necessaryGrin.

Which college did he apply for?

gonegrey56 · 13/02/2015 12:52

Dd currently at Durham . Dress code for formals is simply jacket and tie (boys), some sort of dress/skirt/not jeans for girls . DD's advice for girls is definitely not cool to dress up too
much . She wore a plain navy shift dress to most formals. And they are just a meal, nothing to be anxious about .

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