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"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"

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JuliaMumsnet · 06/01/2022 14:40

Sharon Baker is a police officer and long-time Mumsnet user. She writes here about her experience of domestic abuse as a police officer and how she finally broke away. We estimate that around 6,000 women in the past three years have been helped out of abusive relationships through Mumsnet by our brilliant users. For many women, just being supported to understand that what is happening is not right and is not their fault is the first step.

“Somehow, because of what we do as a job, others see us as stronger and invincible to the same threats they face. Nothing could be further from the truth. My body armour and rank in the police force did nothing to protect me from being a victim of controlling and coercive behaviour at home. Somewhere I was supposed to be safe and loved. I was used to dealing with confrontation at work, running towards danger and helping. I was resilient to being sworn at and people trying to physically intimidate me. As a sergeant, I had to have those difficult supervisory conversations – none of it phased me. But the very things that gave others the impression I was strong actually kept me locked in silence longer.

Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. It slowly takes away your confidence and your ability to trust your own thoughts and feelings until you’re left confused and unable to make simple decisions. You would have thought a police officer could see that coming, right? Except abusers are masters of manipulation and control. By the time I realised, it was too late. I looked around, I was trapped and I was isolated from family and friends. Here I was leading a team of police officers and, in the eyes of those around me, I was strong. The very fact that I was supposed to be keeping everyone else safe meant I felt too ashamed to admit I was terrified of going home.

I vividly remember scrolling through the Mumsnet forums one day and clicking on a thread about emotional abuse. It was the first time I read the term ‘red flag.’ I read posts from Mumsnetters describing behaviour and seeking advice. I literally stopped in my tracks. I couldn’t believe it. They were describing my life. I spent many, many more months reading posts, just lurking, wincing when the resounding ‘LTB’ would ring out. I kept burying my thoughts and justifying his behaviour. Being a police officer made it harder. Work was my refuge, somewhere where I could make decisions and have some control. No one had ever talked about being a victim at work. That just made me feel weak. I thought ‘it must just be me’ and it strengthened my feelings of shame. How could I keep my team and the public safe if I couldn’t do that for myself? "So I stayed silent."

The turning point came when the words became more. When I came home and the words ‘it’s over’ came tumbling out of my mouth, I hadn’t planned it, but as soon as I uttered them I felt a huge relief. Naively I expected it would be easy, but I don’t think it could have been any worse. That evening I hid in the spare room and Mumsnet provided me with a haven which I turned to for help when I had nowhere else to go in real life. Posters kept me company as the terror escalated. I did all I could to placate him, keep him calm, using all my skills as an officer but to no avail. I don’t remember calling 999 or what I said. I only remember the sense of fear I had.

While I waited for them, I saw him calm down, change and brush his teeth to hide the smell of alcohol. He only had to say one thing to me - ‘they won’t believe you.’ Scared and confused, I didn’t tell the officers what had really happened. I kept my secret for years. I lived my real life out anonymously, seeking advice and support from discussions. It gave me wonderful strength to know I was not alone.

Last year, that all changed. Now a Chief Inspector, I visited a member of my staff who had been assaulted by her partner. I was shocked at how she blamed herself, and her view that somehow domestic abuse could only happen to those who are weak. I took a deep breath and told her what had happened to me. We both cried. It was an important moment.

She was left shocked that someone who in her eyes was so strong could also be a victim. It gave her strength and it began to wash away the thick layers of shame we both felt. We were not alone.”

Sharon will be coming back onto the thread to answer your questions.

Experiencing domestic abuse and coercive control has nothing to do with how strong you are and it is never your fault. If you’re wondering whether you’re in an abusive relationship, complete this survey from Women’s Aid. You can reach Refuge’s domestic violence helpline on 0808 2000 247 24 hours a day, or you can chat to someone online. And here is more information about how to cover your tracks online.

You can find the Mumsnet Domestic violence Webguide here and our Violence Against Women campaign page here. There are many campaigns you can join to prevent domestic abuse (you can find some here) and many refuges and organisations you can volunteer at to help survivors of domestic violence. Flowers

"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"
OP posts:
SharonBaker · 09/01/2022 15:56

@WallyTheWasher

How can I help a friend who is a victim of coercive control? Ive urged them to go to the police station, I’ve offered to go with them, I’ve given contact details for charities, sent links etc but each time the friend stalls and minimises.
@WallyTheWasher

Yourself and another OP asking what they can do to support loved ones.
The short answer is all you can do is be there for them, they know you know. It may take them weeks, months or years to leave or report.
I had someone who knew, she was gentle and encouraging, never became exasperated or judged me. She was the first person I called in real life because I knew she would just believe and support.
No one could have made me report until I was ready too.
It sounds like you are doing all you can OP. Keep a diary of all the things you can see, it will help when she does come forward, or gets out.

SharonBaker · 09/01/2022 16:24

@Stationfork @Helloheresachange
Since coming out as a victim in work I’ve realised just how many of our staff joined the Police because of lived experience, to make a difference, they are as invisible as the perpetrators are. We need to do a lot to improve, and it starts with our culture and it doesn’t happen overnight but it has started, the National VAWG (violence again women and girls) is just one of many strategies will help us achieve it

Paintyourpaletteblueandgrey · 09/01/2022 18:39

Ma'am,
Thank you for sharing your story, it makes a real difference to a lot of people and you are incredibly brave to do so.

And for everyone else, I too work in a police Professional Standards Dept (a different force) and can confirm wholeheartedly that we really do everything we can to make sure that abusers are removed from the force. Abusive men and women shouldn't have the right to wear the uniform we are so proud of.

snapfishjelliedeels · 09/01/2022 20:56

We'll done and thanks for posting that. Like you, I had no idea I was in a coercive control relationship, only when I typed into google terms like 'I'm scared to go home' 'he's monitoring me on Gps' 'he shouts at me for every little thing I do wrong' did I always get pages from Mumsnet come up. The. I started reading them, eventually I posted my sutuation. They obviously told me to LTB but they called out so many aspects and showed the relationship in a light I hadn't seen before. I only managed to get away when I phoned the police line 101 to ask if I threw him out, could they help defend me if he refused to leave. The police officers came over for a chat, an hour later they said they were arresting him and had the evidence on the body cam from our chat. I hadn't been noticed the camera. I was scared about him being arrested and the repercussions for me but it worked out well because he finally realised his behaviour was wrong. He left a few weeks later after finding a flat and I haven't looked back. Thanks Mumsnet and all the wise vipers who continue to comment on relationship threads and enlighten women and men who are in coercive control and domestic abuse relationships. Supporting and signposting from this anonymous forum is a safe way to help those in vulnerable home situations.

Sprucewillis · 09/01/2022 20:59

@snapfishjelliedeels

We'll done and thanks for posting that. Like you, I had no idea I was in a coercive control relationship, only when I typed into google terms like 'I'm scared to go home' 'he's monitoring me on Gps' 'he shouts at me for every little thing I do wrong' did I always get pages from Mumsnet come up. The. I started reading them, eventually I posted my sutuation. They obviously told me to LTB but they called out so many aspects and showed the relationship in a light I hadn't seen before. I only managed to get away when I phoned the police line 101 to ask if I threw him out, could they help defend me if he refused to leave. The police officers came over for a chat, an hour later they said they were arresting him and had the evidence on the body cam from our chat. I hadn't been noticed the camera. I was scared about him being arrested and the repercussions for me but it worked out well because he finally realised his behaviour was wrong. He left a few weeks later after finding a flat and I haven't looked back. Thanks Mumsnet and all the wise vipers who continue to comment on relationship threads and enlighten women and men who are in coercive control and domestic abuse relationships. Supporting and signposting from this anonymous forum is a safe way to help those in vulnerable home situations.
♥️
FannyCann · 09/01/2022 21:50

We estimate that around 6,000 women in the past three years have been helped out of abusive relationships through Mumsnet by our brilliant users. For many women, just being supported to understand that was is happening is not right and is not their fault is the first step.

That's a wonderful testament to Mumsnet and it's users. Thank you MNHQ for providing this haven and thank you and respect to all the brilliant users who advise and handhold and help women in distress. ThanksStar

SharonBaker · 09/01/2022 22:49

@Paintyourpaletteblueandgrey thank you for your kind words, I don’t feel brave, like many women I just got through one hour, one day at a time.
I sometimes feel guilt for not speaking out sooner, but the service wasn’t ready to hear it then, it is now, they are listening so we need to keep talking.

coodawoodashooda · 09/01/2022 22:54

@WallyTheWasher

How can I help a friend who is a victim of coercive control? Ive urged them to go to the police station, I’ve offered to go with them, I’ve given contact details for charities, sent links etc but each time the friend stalls and minimises.
Go to the police and tell them your experience of your friend's experience. Start the paper trail. Don't tell your friend. She'll be scared.
Enough4me · 10/01/2022 00:24

@WallyTheWasher Try coaching your friend rather then telling her what to do. Ask her how she is, gently repeat the key things she says so she can hear and really listens. Talk about how she might like things to be different in the short, medium and long term, so she can visualise change. Having help to think straight and see what's happening is so hard when someone is messing up your thoughts and it blocks moving on.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 07:46

@FannyCann

We estimate that around 6,000 women in the past three years have been helped out of abusive relationships through Mumsnet by our brilliant users. For many women, just being supported to understand that was is happening is not right and is not their fault is the first step.

That's a wonderful testament to Mumsnet and it's users. Thank you MNHQ for providing this haven and thank you and respect to all the brilliant users who advise and handhold and help women in distress. ThanksStar

Yes. It's pretty amazing. MN can be a brilliant source of support and info.
Flyg · 10/01/2022 14:24

I got away just over 2 years ago. I remember reading about women who had made the break and wishing it was me. Now I am one of the free, it was the hardest thing I have ever done, but so, incredibly worth it.

PurplePansy05 · 10/01/2022 21:17

My parents had this type of a relationship and I didn't realise this probably until I read Sally Challen's case, then stories on MN and people's views. Then my father showed his ugly attitude again after I lost my first baby. He never apologised or changed. My mother never had the courage to leave and all of this has affected me greatly, they've created a lifelong battle with anxiety for me which you wouldn't notice from the outside, but it's been chipping away at me for years. Thank you for sharing this and to the women reading this, if you find yourselves in this position, please leave, for your and your children's sake. Flowers

Xero · 10/01/2022 21:18

I admire you sharing your
Story. I've struggled to overcome an incident that occurred between my ex and me a couple of years ago, but have had to maintain a co-parenting relationship.
He steps over every boundary I try to place, has threatened months of accusing me of stopping contact to months of me organising his contact. I've wondered at points if it was me who was being controlling. I know I'm assertive so I've tried to work on that. In fact I realised through some training I had that I'd been in a coercive and controlling relationship long before my sons dad came along and I didn't know at the time. I always blamed myself because he was squeaky clean and I was the one with the trauma following me round. Now I appreciate that I'm susceptible because of the trauma which has put me off meeting a partner for a very long time. I have a cynical lens for now but I am healing and becoming wiser a bit each day.

poshme · 10/01/2022 22:50

It will be more than 6000. I know this because there are women like me who have drawn on MNthreads- experience and advice to help people get out of the situation they are in- never mentioning it here.
But without MN I couldn't have given the help.

Worriedatwork1 · 10/01/2022 23:31

Thank you so much for sharing your story, I am still not open with most people about my experiences, but I manage staff and when I feel it might help someone I do share some of what I have been through and it really does help people to see someone they perceive as “strong” has still ended up in this position.

Worriedatwork1 · 10/01/2022 23:39

I think it varies massively between individual officers, like any public sector the majority are stretched far and wide and struggle to give the effort they would like to each case or have the expertise. My experiences were mixed, initially as a 20 something old in a very abusive relationship with someone with undisclosed previous convictions for violence against women the police did things like said my injuries weren’t visible (pillows over my face, back of head being banged repeatedly off the wall etc) and wouldn’t do anything apart from remove him at the time, however I eventually ended up under a specialist DV team who were incredible, supported me even when I tried to withdraw my statement etc, and helped me with a lifetime restraining order etc, eventually securing a conviction.

SharonBaker · 11/01/2022 19:31

@Worriedatwork1

It sounds like you have been so supportive of those who need it. It is hard to talk openly at work even even more so if your role is to look after others, I remember vividly thinking how can my team trust me to keep them safe when I can’t do that for myself.
I genuinely believe workplaces can be a refuge for many victims too, so we need organisations who embrace the value lives experience can bring.

ScoobyDoo80 · 11/01/2022 22:29

Thank you so much for telling your story. It can happen to anyone.

I was in a really controlling marriage, despite having been in the relationship for ten years before the wedding. We were university sweethearts, a squeaky-clean, popular couple.

It was like a switch had been flipped once we were married, and my life just unravelled from there: being isolated, gaslit, followed. My post was opened, my emails read, friends criticised and rejected. It got to the point where he would throw water over my head in the middle of the night, accusing me of cheating (which never crossed my mind). If I went to the toilet, he would follow and lurk.

In the end, I left, but unfortunately a long period of stalking followed, so much so that my child was considered potentially at risk when I moved on with someone new.

It was hard to be believed (though the police were helpful) because he was (is) quite a well-known, successful and charismatic person in our local area. It amazed me how many people made a joke of stalking if I dared confide in them.

The man that I had my child with then left me (he wasn’t controlling) and I eventually fell into a much, much more coercive relationship, which I got out of quickly, but which has left me scarred.

I’ve been single for six years now because there’s only so much a person can take! I feel I’ve always had a clear idea of what constitutes a healthy relationship, but it doesn’t mean you are necessarily going to find yourself in one.

The Women’s Refuge checklist is really helpful. X

Flappypants · 11/01/2022 22:36

I don’t know I’d have have made it through leaving my narcissistic ex without MN. Genuinely. I don’t know how many times I tried to leave, how may times I posted on here, desperately seeking solace and help and without fail there was always someone here. I was - and am - so grateful. I was a successful international athlete and I was reduced to a quivering shell of the person I used to be….MN helped me so much.

Thank you for sharing and keep up the good work, MN!!!

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BluebellsareBlue · 12/01/2022 14:23

Retired cop here.... been there and bought the t shirt! Worst thing is if it ever happened again I still don't feel I could report it (although my DP is an angel so it never will)

SharonBaker · 12/01/2022 22:31

@BluebellsareBlue

Retired cop here.... been there and bought the t shirt! Worst thing is if it ever happened again I still don't feel I could report it (although my DP is an angel so it never will)
@BluebellsareBlue

I think there are actually additional barriers to reporting if the victim or perpetrator is in the Police. Sadly what you say does not surprise me, but we are working so hard at changing that in our force and many others.
I know the approach we are taking is being adopted nationwide, it can’t happen quick enough for me!

Wanderingstars4238 · 13/01/2022 04:40

Any person who spends hours scheming about how to control someone else is mentally ill. Stop and think about how ridiculous it really is for someone to spend their time that way, when there are so many activities to enjoy in the world.
Mental illness isn't an excuse, though. They make themselves go crazy with their extreme self centeredness.

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user1486131602 · 13/01/2022 23:04

Shame the police don’t protect the victims. I have made dv complaint and a coercive threatening complaint, both closed as ‘civil’ because my narc stbexH has also filed a complaint bout a civil matter!
So, I have had to endure all sorts of continuing harassment from him and the police.
I’m sorry that this happened to you and am very happy to hear you are living a happy life.

There has been much said and printed about how things should be believed and handled, it’s a sorry place when they don’t even do that for their own

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