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"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"

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JuliaMumsnet · 06/01/2022 14:40

Sharon Baker is a police officer and long-time Mumsnet user. She writes here about her experience of domestic abuse as a police officer and how she finally broke away. We estimate that around 6,000 women in the past three years have been helped out of abusive relationships through Mumsnet by our brilliant users. For many women, just being supported to understand that what is happening is not right and is not their fault is the first step.

“Somehow, because of what we do as a job, others see us as stronger and invincible to the same threats they face. Nothing could be further from the truth. My body armour and rank in the police force did nothing to protect me from being a victim of controlling and coercive behaviour at home. Somewhere I was supposed to be safe and loved. I was used to dealing with confrontation at work, running towards danger and helping. I was resilient to being sworn at and people trying to physically intimidate me. As a sergeant, I had to have those difficult supervisory conversations – none of it phased me. But the very things that gave others the impression I was strong actually kept me locked in silence longer.

Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. It slowly takes away your confidence and your ability to trust your own thoughts and feelings until you’re left confused and unable to make simple decisions. You would have thought a police officer could see that coming, right? Except abusers are masters of manipulation and control. By the time I realised, it was too late. I looked around, I was trapped and I was isolated from family and friends. Here I was leading a team of police officers and, in the eyes of those around me, I was strong. The very fact that I was supposed to be keeping everyone else safe meant I felt too ashamed to admit I was terrified of going home.

I vividly remember scrolling through the Mumsnet forums one day and clicking on a thread about emotional abuse. It was the first time I read the term ‘red flag.’ I read posts from Mumsnetters describing behaviour and seeking advice. I literally stopped in my tracks. I couldn’t believe it. They were describing my life. I spent many, many more months reading posts, just lurking, wincing when the resounding ‘LTB’ would ring out. I kept burying my thoughts and justifying his behaviour. Being a police officer made it harder. Work was my refuge, somewhere where I could make decisions and have some control. No one had ever talked about being a victim at work. That just made me feel weak. I thought ‘it must just be me’ and it strengthened my feelings of shame. How could I keep my team and the public safe if I couldn’t do that for myself? "So I stayed silent."

The turning point came when the words became more. When I came home and the words ‘it’s over’ came tumbling out of my mouth, I hadn’t planned it, but as soon as I uttered them I felt a huge relief. Naively I expected it would be easy, but I don’t think it could have been any worse. That evening I hid in the spare room and Mumsnet provided me with a haven which I turned to for help when I had nowhere else to go in real life. Posters kept me company as the terror escalated. I did all I could to placate him, keep him calm, using all my skills as an officer but to no avail. I don’t remember calling 999 or what I said. I only remember the sense of fear I had.

While I waited for them, I saw him calm down, change and brush his teeth to hide the smell of alcohol. He only had to say one thing to me - ‘they won’t believe you.’ Scared and confused, I didn’t tell the officers what had really happened. I kept my secret for years. I lived my real life out anonymously, seeking advice and support from discussions. It gave me wonderful strength to know I was not alone.

Last year, that all changed. Now a Chief Inspector, I visited a member of my staff who had been assaulted by her partner. I was shocked at how she blamed herself, and her view that somehow domestic abuse could only happen to those who are weak. I took a deep breath and told her what had happened to me. We both cried. It was an important moment.

She was left shocked that someone who in her eyes was so strong could also be a victim. It gave her strength and it began to wash away the thick layers of shame we both felt. We were not alone.”

Sharon will be coming back onto the thread to answer your questions.

Experiencing domestic abuse and coercive control has nothing to do with how strong you are and it is never your fault. If you’re wondering whether you’re in an abusive relationship, complete this survey from Women’s Aid. You can reach Refuge’s domestic violence helpline on 0808 2000 247 24 hours a day, or you can chat to someone online. And here is more information about how to cover your tracks online.

You can find the Mumsnet Domestic violence Webguide here and our Violence Against Women campaign page here. There are many campaigns you can join to prevent domestic abuse (you can find some here) and many refuges and organisations you can volunteer at to help survivors of domestic violence. Flowers

"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"
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Heisrotten2thecore · 07/01/2022 23:43

Thank you. 💐

Dalalalada · 07/01/2022 23:43

Thank you so much for sharing. I too LTB. He now has 50 50 court ordered care of our children and despite his history towards me (i asked for nfa in 2015 much to my regret) he was given a conditional caution this week for assaulting my daughter, aged 7. Why isn't he being prosecuted? Why is there a likelihood my dd will spend another night in his care?

CoronaKidd · 08/01/2022 00:26

I think my 75 year old DM may be experiencing coercive control
by my step-father. They have been together for a long time however things have got slowly worse over the last 10 years, since he lost his relatively high-powered job. Amongst many other things, they have moved miles away so she’s now very isolated from family and friends. She seems to be co-dependant, knows he behaves really badly towards her yet allows it to continue and seems strangely content with her situation.

However, my DM appears to now be developing memory problems so I’m really worried about how things will pan out in the future.

So my question is, as I’m not actually the victim, as her daughter, is there anything I can do?

I haven’t had a conversation with her about this yet. Very hard when it’s your DM. I just don’t know how to frame it, without coming across as trying cause trouble.

For my DF and StepDM I have shared power of attorney should anything happen to one of them. This was their choice. Whereas with my step-dad, he always calls the shots. I just don’t know where to begin to start if things do get worse for her and I need to try to protect her.

sidehustle99 · 08/01/2022 09:24

So glad you got out and thank you for sharing your storey. Every story about surviving DA is like a shining light for those still suffering Thanks

mynamesnotMa · 08/01/2022 10:31

Coercive control is the worst kind of abuse. If you were beaten they'd be marks bruises evidence but this sort of control and insidious behaviour is harder to qualify. It eats away at your sense of self and erodes your confidence. If it's any consolation it's often the accomplished and very strong it happens to.
Well done it sounds like you're getting back to who you used to be.. The police are streeped in outdated ill-informed misogynistic views so the more education the better.

GoGoGretaDoll · 08/01/2022 12:04

Thank you for sharing your story and updating us on what your force is doing to update their training. It is vital that women believe they will be listened to, protected and heard by the police, but that's only the first link in the chain. We hear time and time again that contact with children is used as a further element of control and I don't believe the Family Courts are doing a good enough job to stop this. This is another area where the police can make a difference - you are meeting and recognising abusers in real life, you can play a vital role in educating the family court and holding them to account.

middleofthelittle · 08/01/2022 12:09

@SharonBaker

And this is the problem with the police and domestic abuse. You have completely ignored my point and continued to back up a flawed system purely because it's a police led system. It is flawed and the police do not want to acknowledge that.

BEFORE they are a victim, are you suggesting every single person every time they get into a relationship asks for a Claire's law? Are you suggesting that women, yet again, are being told to "protect themselves" and do yet another task to prevent themselves from being abused?

Because I am sick of that narrative. It should be down to the men and the abuser to have the responsibility to disclose. Your point is that if women don't ask, then that is their fault?

I disagree completely. The abuse should be forced to disclose as sex offenders are.

Could you imagine saying to women with children: "it's down to you to ask if your new partner is a sex offender and they do not need to tell you because you never asked?"

It's obscene.

Change the narrative and stop victim blaming.

Helloheresachange · 08/01/2022 12:12

Thank you for sharing your story ma'am.

I've NC'ed, but I'm also a police officer who escaped an abusive relationship some years ago (he was not a police officer). The shame that I carried with me every day, knowing I was trying to help other women and men in my position but then going home and "allowing" it to happen to myself.

It was actually a victim who game me the strength to leave my own abusive relationship - seeing someone so strong, whilst still so broken, getting her life back together, gave me the inspiration to leave. I was offered police accommodation for 6 months and left days later.

Fast forward, now happy married (to another copper, of course), proud to work within a DV unit and am working towards becoming a subject matter expert on coercive control.

Love26life · 08/01/2022 13:05

My mum is in the same position and has been completely failed by Dorset police! When she came forward about the emotional abuse and wrote a 9 page statement about everything he had done to her, the male police officer told her “oh woman do this in divorce all the time” in the most exasperated tone! Her ex has kept her 2 teenage children and turned them against her and even though she’s left he’s still controlling her financially!
She’s going to kill herself because she can’t cope and I can’t stop it and no one is helping! She was made homeless and penniless, she has nothing to her name not even her kids who she had raised on her own until now!
I can’t see a way out for her!

SharonBaker · 08/01/2022 13:25

@Useranonymouse

Thank you for speaking out, I know a few women in positions of power who felt the same, and couldn’t believe they didn’t see it, don’t be ashamed, they are very good at what they do unfortunately, and that’s how the abuser gets away with it!

My question is what do you do when your abuser is a police officer? I never reported it as I didn’t think I would be believed, and thought it would make things worse. I live in a different area now, but still have to have contact for the children, and he is still manipulative and tries to control me. There was sexual abuse too, but again I didn’t report, and I wonder how many people are the same as me.

I also am extremely grateful to mumsnet who helped me see so much.

@Useranonymouse

Couple of posts about perpetrators who are police officers. I can understand the additional worry that must bring, i truly can.
We know cops can be perpetrators and can use their role to further intimidate.
I now work in the Department that deals with reports against our own staff, we keep everything confidential, we even use cops from other forces if we need to to ensure that independence and confidentiality.

Every force should have a ‘Professional Standards Department’ i would suggest anyone who has concerns about an officer to contact them.

SharonBaker · 08/01/2022 16:39

@catsareme14

Thank you so much for posting . Can I please ask you to make sure your officers are trained carefully to identify & understand how these men behave when faced with a police officer . The first time I called the police a woman officer came with a male colleague. She sent the male officer around to the back of the house where my husband was before she even got out of the car . She then got out and treated me with scorn & appalling rudeness . I was devastated. Luckily the next time I called the police an amazing young male officer took it seriously and referred me to the DV service & offered ongoing support .
@catsareme14 I agree, we do need to improve our understanding of how perpetrators behave, i have seen first hand how they present themselves, through their actions and words. I can see the manipulation and control, but some colleagues can’t …And we are working on it, it is included in the programme called DA Matters we are rolling out this year in our force.
sweetbellyhigh · 08/01/2022 17:49

@middleofthelittle

Police enforce the laws, they don't make them.

If you want law changes then you can lobby your MP or start a petition or any one of a number of things. But please don't berate a serving police officer who literally spends her life supporting women to be free of family harm.

Ruralbliss · 08/01/2022 18:46

6000! That's such a positive news story (not so positive that so many of us strong capable women have to put up with the low life we build our lives with but...)

Is there anything more we could be doing? It feels that it's just luck or chance that some people come on here to moan about their (absolutely horrendous) partner then often it's the stream of abuse telling the OP that they are actually in an abusive situation when their eyes are opened and plans to leave are made with the support of this anonymous community.

I identify as one who had no clue I was in an emotionally abusive relationship as were my kids. I was married to him for TWENTY YEARS and honestly thought we had a great union. Wtaf?!

He got chucked out when he eventually got nastier and nastier and violent towards our special need weedy teen son (he had an OW and wanted out so this is how he achieved it) and I later realised he was a narcissist nob who would always blame me for his 'poor mental health' (read perma-rage)

I regret not realising sooner, not binning him years ago and forcing my kids to grow up in a toxic environment. One now has crippling social anxiety and depression.

I'm wondering if we could somehow signpost people to our Relationship threads. Like those posters you see in public lavatories explaining it's ok to call out physical abuse.

Ruralbliss · 08/01/2022 18:47

*steam of responses that should say. Not stream of abuse!

everythingbackbutyou · 08/01/2022 20:20

@AdamRyan, thanks for the link. Spot on summary of my experience. Even though I am divorced, my abuser continues to intimidate and try to assert control via our children. Revolting.

drinkuplikeamum · 08/01/2022 20:32

Based on my experience the one time I dared report my abuse to the police (in 2012), I'm not surprised police officers are unable to recognise abuse. I was visited by two male officers, who laughed in my face, refused to look at my bruises and warned me if I rang them again they would be forced to report me to social services. I was so scared I never reported anything again. I got myself out three years later (but still never free as my ex has dragged me to court repeatedly since then and now had 50/50 custody of the children).

Everything I have read over the last 10 years gives me no faith in the police at all when it comes to domestic abuse. All the initiatives, all the training I hear about, and yet I've seen no progress. It's heart breaking.

I feel for you Sharon, as I do for every woman I read about who has been through this as I have. I hope your life is better now. But someone 'up there' in the hierarchy is not listening and doesn't care. Until this changes, nothing will improve.

I will also second the amazing Relationships board on Mumsnet. Without it, I would have never got myself out. This board helped me more than any professional I've ever seen, and that includes Women's Aid and my local DA charity.

middleofthelittle · 08/01/2022 20:51

[quote sweetbellyhigh]@middleofthelittle

Police enforce the laws, they don't make them.

If you want law changes then you can lobby your MP or start a petition or any one of a number of things. But please don't berate a serving police officer who literally spends her life supporting women to be free of family harm.[/quote]
I disagree

I've spent 10 years managing the worst domestic abusers among other offenders and I can count on one hand the police have been anything above poor.

I don't have the tools to do my job properly and stating Claire's law is the answer is victim blaming.

It's a systematic issue and it would be helpful if the police also acknowledged the system is flawed.

Women are being let down every single day and yes this ladies case is sad and I'm glad she got out of that situation but countless women dont and die at the hands of men, often after having had countless contacts with the police prior. The current system is broken and the police need to acknowledge that too.

sweetbellyhigh · 08/01/2022 21:06

@middleofthelittle

You disagree with what? That police don't make the law?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say but you're in the wrong thread for police hate.

coodawoodashooda · 08/01/2022 21:45

@AdamRyan

Thank you I would never talk about being in a coercive relationship at work as I'm so ashamed of it. But I read this weenacullins.medium.com/the-covert-narcissist-guide-1e46959a6bd1 It made me realise that some of the things that make me a "strong woman" in others eyes is precisely why I'd be attracted to a manipulator. Hope you are doing OK now Flowers
Thanks for this.
coodawoodashooda · 08/01/2022 23:19

So what have you all said when the police didn't believe you? To the police that is.

Ruralbliss · 09/01/2022 00:14

@drinkuplikeamum and @middleofthelittle those are horrific and shocking first hand accounts of where we are with police support. How frightening that women brave enough to report abuse aren't then given the tolls and help needed to get safe and bring abusive monsters to justice.
It's utterly tragic. Why isn't it recognised at the top? I blame that Cressida Dick and the poor funding from Tories.

thecatfromjapan · 09/01/2022 09:50

I'm late to this.
Wow. This is astonishingly powerful.
Thank you for sharing.💐

flirtygirl · 09/01/2022 14:05

Mumsnet relationship board is far more use than the average police officer.

That needs to change.

The police can't be relied on, why?

Why do they attract so many clearly misogynistic men and women? Nothing can change when the police has these people within their ranks. The same with the government.

There is a reason that all areas to do with protecting women are woefully underfunded. It's because they simply do not care.

Rape laws and prosecutions, domestic abuse, how we treat survivors, the family courts and the policies around visitation for children, all penalise women. And ruin the lives of millions of children.

Even something simple to change like local connection rules in housing that could have been changed decades ago (to help and rehouse those leaving violence and harassment) but nothing has been done.

Nothing changes. Most posts on relationship boards say contact womens aid, some say contact the police, some forces no longer even send someone out to change your locks, you may wait weeks to give a statement and if you do see an officer, it's potluck if you get one who listens or even takes accurate notes.

So it's great to hear from a police officer who is trying to make a difference and who unfortunately has been a victim/survivor of domestic abuse but its too little a change in a totally rotten system.

WallyTheWasher · 09/01/2022 15:31

How can I help a friend who is a victim of coercive control? Ive urged them to go to the police station, I’ve offered to go with them, I’ve given contact details for charities, sent links etc but each time the friend stalls and minimises.

Sprucewillis · 09/01/2022 15:50

@WallyTheWasher

How can I help a friend who is a victim of coercive control? Ive urged them to go to the police station, I’ve offered to go with them, I’ve given contact details for charities, sent links etc but each time the friend stalls and minimises.
Listen, be supportive, don't judge, they will deal with the situation when they are ready.

On average it takes 7 attempts to leave an abusive relationship. That is a lot of will power and they may not ask for help if it puts them at risk.

The minimising my be them trying to draw attention away from it.

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