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"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"

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JuliaMumsnet · 06/01/2022 14:40

Sharon Baker is a police officer and long-time Mumsnet user. She writes here about her experience of domestic abuse as a police officer and how she finally broke away. We estimate that around 6,000 women in the past three years have been helped out of abusive relationships through Mumsnet by our brilliant users. For many women, just being supported to understand that what is happening is not right and is not their fault is the first step.

“Somehow, because of what we do as a job, others see us as stronger and invincible to the same threats they face. Nothing could be further from the truth. My body armour and rank in the police force did nothing to protect me from being a victim of controlling and coercive behaviour at home. Somewhere I was supposed to be safe and loved. I was used to dealing with confrontation at work, running towards danger and helping. I was resilient to being sworn at and people trying to physically intimidate me. As a sergeant, I had to have those difficult supervisory conversations – none of it phased me. But the very things that gave others the impression I was strong actually kept me locked in silence longer.

Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. It slowly takes away your confidence and your ability to trust your own thoughts and feelings until you’re left confused and unable to make simple decisions. You would have thought a police officer could see that coming, right? Except abusers are masters of manipulation and control. By the time I realised, it was too late. I looked around, I was trapped and I was isolated from family and friends. Here I was leading a team of police officers and, in the eyes of those around me, I was strong. The very fact that I was supposed to be keeping everyone else safe meant I felt too ashamed to admit I was terrified of going home.

I vividly remember scrolling through the Mumsnet forums one day and clicking on a thread about emotional abuse. It was the first time I read the term ‘red flag.’ I read posts from Mumsnetters describing behaviour and seeking advice. I literally stopped in my tracks. I couldn’t believe it. They were describing my life. I spent many, many more months reading posts, just lurking, wincing when the resounding ‘LTB’ would ring out. I kept burying my thoughts and justifying his behaviour. Being a police officer made it harder. Work was my refuge, somewhere where I could make decisions and have some control. No one had ever talked about being a victim at work. That just made me feel weak. I thought ‘it must just be me’ and it strengthened my feelings of shame. How could I keep my team and the public safe if I couldn’t do that for myself? "So I stayed silent."

The turning point came when the words became more. When I came home and the words ‘it’s over’ came tumbling out of my mouth, I hadn’t planned it, but as soon as I uttered them I felt a huge relief. Naively I expected it would be easy, but I don’t think it could have been any worse. That evening I hid in the spare room and Mumsnet provided me with a haven which I turned to for help when I had nowhere else to go in real life. Posters kept me company as the terror escalated. I did all I could to placate him, keep him calm, using all my skills as an officer but to no avail. I don’t remember calling 999 or what I said. I only remember the sense of fear I had.

While I waited for them, I saw him calm down, change and brush his teeth to hide the smell of alcohol. He only had to say one thing to me - ‘they won’t believe you.’ Scared and confused, I didn’t tell the officers what had really happened. I kept my secret for years. I lived my real life out anonymously, seeking advice and support from discussions. It gave me wonderful strength to know I was not alone.

Last year, that all changed. Now a Chief Inspector, I visited a member of my staff who had been assaulted by her partner. I was shocked at how she blamed herself, and her view that somehow domestic abuse could only happen to those who are weak. I took a deep breath and told her what had happened to me. We both cried. It was an important moment.

She was left shocked that someone who in her eyes was so strong could also be a victim. It gave her strength and it began to wash away the thick layers of shame we both felt. We were not alone.”

Sharon will be coming back onto the thread to answer your questions.

Experiencing domestic abuse and coercive control has nothing to do with how strong you are and it is never your fault. If you’re wondering whether you’re in an abusive relationship, complete this survey from Women’s Aid. You can reach Refuge’s domestic violence helpline on 0808 2000 247 24 hours a day, or you can chat to someone online. And here is more information about how to cover your tracks online.

You can find the Mumsnet Domestic violence Webguide here and our Violence Against Women campaign page here. There are many campaigns you can join to prevent domestic abuse (you can find some here) and many refuges and organisations you can volunteer at to help survivors of domestic violence. Flowers

"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"
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Grotbag81 · 07/01/2022 11:32

Thank you for sharing Sharon 💐

Useranonymouse · 07/01/2022 12:36

Thank you for speaking out, I know a few women in positions of power who felt the same, and couldn’t believe they didn’t see it, don’t be ashamed, they are very good at what they do unfortunately, and that’s how the abuser gets away with it!

My question is what do you do when your abuser is a police officer? I never reported it as I didn’t think I would be believed, and thought it would make things worse. I live in a different area now, but still have to have contact for the children, and he is still manipulative and tries to control me. There was sexual abuse too, but again I didn’t report, and I wonder how many people are the same as me.

I also am extremely grateful to mumsnet who helped me see so much.

SharonBaker · 07/01/2022 14:56

@Stationfork

Thank you for sharing your story Ma'am. Did you crime it all in the end? Any investigation and if so do you now feel protected?

No need to call me Ma’am on here!
So the incident was recorded yes, I had the same protection as any other victim, as well as my line manager who was wonderful look out for me, there was some awkwardness at times too though.

SharonBaker · 07/01/2022 15:15

@SandysMam

Are you working with your officers to make sure they respond better to these situations? There are so many threads on mumsnet about the police making things worse or being rubbish. Thanks for sharing.
@SandysMam Having come out as a survivor now, I’ve been supported by my force, and have now been asked to lead the force for Domestic Abuse, so i am pleased to say I am in a great position to do just that. I have secured a programme that all staff who respond to DA will receive later this year, (delivered by SafeLives) having seen the training it really gets to the values and beliefs our staff hold about it, also giving them skills to improve support to victims too. That’s just one thing, i will try to mention others too as I reply to some of these wonderful posts
SharonBaker · 07/01/2022 15:24

@spiegelwally

Ty for sharing OP.

We need this kind of expertise as police officers often appear to crop up as abusers - and then they protect their own.

@spielgelwally

Of course we have perpetrators who work for us, but we have victims too. It is easy to forget cops are just like everyone else, we represent society.

We are working so hard to turn this around, victims within policing have not had much of a voice, however since speaking out I’ve been inundated by colleagues in my force and around the country coming forward, many joined the job because of experience, and wanting to make a difference.
We are turning our culture around, every force has confidential reporting ways to report those they think are abusers.

SharonBaker · 07/01/2022 15:31

@JanglyBeads

Wow, thank you for this.

I often try to help on such threads. Particularly important to not increase women's sense of shame

Would love to know what you feel you can do to change police attitudes, some of which, IME, can be very harmful.

@JanglyBeads I try to help too, just never overtly before now! To answer your question.. it starts with our own culture in our organisation, since speaking out internally a whole group of survivors came forward, having never felt they could before, that was an important moment. They have worked with me over the last year we have changed our leave policy so victims of DA can now ask for time off, no need to use sick leave. We want to shout about how our police victims will be supported so have designed what we call our “Pledge” simple statements.. You will be Listened too We will Believe you we will support you You will be in control We will respect your confidentiality That launches very soon, if we can get our staff to use and demonstrate these behaviours to one another that will only help improve the same service to the public
Greengate66 · 07/01/2022 15:52

We need a database of men who are violent and controlling that women can share. It terrifies me with online dating exactly who these men are. We need a secret railroad resource for women.

MidLifeResurgence74 · 07/01/2022 15:59

Thank you for being so open with your story and I'm so sorry you've been through it. I was the victim of domestic violence and my police force were great but 13 years later it turns out he's still doing it (now three women have reported it).

This book is invaluable and I'd recommend every police officer reads it, whether they are directly involved in domestic violence or not. www.college.police.uk/article/dangerous-relationships-and-how-they-end-book-review

coodawoodashooda · 07/01/2022 16:50

Thank you op. I am so sorry you went through this. What do you recommend when people don't believe you?

mumsie28 · 07/01/2022 17:10

TheVanguardSix Thu 06-Jan-22 19:18:18
Thank you for sharing such an emotional and traumatic experience.
My question is a bit frank (simply because I am experiencing this right now and am awaiting the CPS to charge my former husband): How can we trust officers to see our manipulative partners' coercive control if they can't recognise it in their own relationships?

When you love someone its ok, you dont realise, its only when you stop and start to realise the pattern... im sure they do their job as intended as they are not in that relationship

Stationfork · 07/01/2022 17:27

@Greengate66 it isn't a database but have you heard of Clare's law? This is the domestic violence disclosure scheme and anyone can apply themselves or a friend or family member can do so on their behalf to do background checks on a potential new partner. It takes around 35 days and can be applied for via your local force website.

I had to do one on behalf of my sister before I was a police officer. The police did actually make a disclosure to her in person with the findings. She chose not to listen to the information but that is her choice and at least she had access to the information.

CaveMum · 07/01/2022 17:37

I highly recommend following Laura Richards on Twitter (@laurarichards99 and @thecrimesnalyst which is her podcast).

She’s a fantastic advocate and campaigner on coercive control and domestic violence. She’s ex-Scotland Yard and carries out a lot of police force training on CC and DV in the UK although she now lives in California. I want @mnhq to get her on for a web chat!

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lightisnotwhite · 07/01/2022 18:19

Can I ask how you met him? Was he a one off in terms of type?

lightisnotwhite · 07/01/2022 18:24

And thanks for being so brave and coming out with this publicly, It’s so what is needed.

SharonBaker · 07/01/2022 19:49

@Greengate66

We need a database of men who are violent and controlling that women can share. It terrifies me with online dating exactly who these men are. We need a secret railroad resource for women.
@Greengate66 We do… Clare’s Law” enables the police to disclose information to a victim or potential victim of domestic abuse about their partner’s or ex-partner’s previous abusive or violent offending. It’s free and easy to do..
damnthisvirusandmarriage · 07/01/2022 19:57

"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"

HILARIOUS.

No. Police couldn’t see coercive control or domestic abuse if it was right in front of them.

They know nothing about it and do even less about it.

They blame the victim as having mental health issues and wasting police time.

They ignore children when they plead for help as a man is abusing them.

I’ll never ever trust the police again.

I realise I sound like an angry irrational person. But this is my experience.

Police do not protect children or women. Quite the opposite. Especially north wales police.

coodawoodashooda · 07/01/2022 20:07

@damnthisvirusandmarriage

"Coercive and controlling behaviour is clever. You would have thought a police officer could see it coming, right?"

HILARIOUS.

No. Police couldn’t see coercive control or domestic abuse if it was right in front of them.

They know nothing about it and do even less about it.

They blame the victim as having mental health issues and wasting police time.

They ignore children when they plead for help as a man is abusing them.

I’ll never ever trust the police again.

I realise I sound like an angry irrational person. But this is my experience.

Police do not protect children or women. Quite the opposite. Especially north wales police.

I agree but it is so impossible to prove anything.
middleofthelittle · 07/01/2022 20:09

@SharonBaker

"We need a database of men who are violent and controlling that women can share. It terrifies me with online dating exactly who these men are. We need a secret railroad resource for women.
@Greengate66
We do…
Clare’s Law” enables the police to disclose information to a victim or potential victim of domestic abuse about their partner’s or ex-partner’s previous abusive or violent offending.
It’s free and easy to do.."^
^
*No we don't, the current system puts the responsibility to the victim, it makes the victim have to have enough doubt about the relationship to seek out further information about their partners past, by this point it is too late. They're already involved. This is victim blaming.

The current sex offender system, where they have to disclose of their offences or RSO status otherwise they are in breach of their order would work much better. That is preventive and puts the responsibility in the hands of the offender. If they don't comply they are further punished.

The current system punishes the victim. *

nuancedcloud · 07/01/2022 20:15

@HiltonSq that is horrific. How disempowering. Are the kids NC with him or do you still have to facilitate it?

CaveMum · 07/01/2022 20:37

Laura Richards has been campaigning for a register of serial perpetrators of VAWG for several years. There has been a recent update from her current campaign which offers some hope: www.change.org/p/priti-patel-focus-on-serial-perpetrators-and-stalkers-who-abuse-multiple-women/u/30033831?cs_tk=AgMai7sSAyPeALxa4GEAAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvClXFc3FVfkkguGUhylCU0o%3D&utm_campaign=39160aa68cff4e4ca85bb11768f45c8c&utm_content=initial_v0_5_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 07/01/2022 21:32

This is an amazing post and testament to the power of MN.

I wish the wisdom of the MNers on the Relationships board, and the FWR board come to that, was routinely being shared with girls at school.

Women identifying patterns of male violence, including emotional abuse and coercive control, and supporting each other to take action in the face of it - this is empowerment. And it literally saves lives.

Posts like this remind me just what an incredible resource it is, to have this place where women from every background and every walk of life can just talk to each other. And what great changes we can make both in our own lives and in the wider world, when we do so.

Aphrodite31 · 07/01/2022 21:52

I don't know if it's so clever, but it is just very carefully introduced, inching your boundaries back, and constantly repeated. You are basically worn down before you know it.

It's the cleverness of a tiger securing its prey.

SharonBaker · 07/01/2022 22:55

[quote middleofthelittle]@SharonBaker

"We need a database of men who are violent and controlling that women can share. It terrifies me with online dating exactly who these men are. We need a secret railroad resource for women.
@Greengate66
We do…
Clare’s Law” enables the police to disclose information to a victim or potential victim of domestic abuse about their partner’s or ex-partner’s previous abusive or violent offending.
It’s free and easy to do.."^
^
*No we don't, the current system puts the responsibility to the victim, it makes the victim have to have enough doubt about the relationship to seek out further information about their partners past, by this point it is too late. They're already involved. This is victim blaming.

The current sex offender system, where they have to disclose of their offences or RSO status otherwise they are in breach of their order would work much better. That is preventive and puts the responsibility in the hands of the offender. If they don't comply they are further punished.

The current system punishes the victim. *
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@middleofthelittle
The idea of Claire’s is that women or indeed anyone can ask for a disclosure before they are a victim.

The purpose is to make informed choices, I advise anyone entering into a new relationship who has an inkling or concern to make an application, there does not need to have been violence or abuse to the person applying, we had over 180 requests for information and disclosed information in just over 160 cases, intuition is often right, so spotting red flag behaviour early on is so vital

gelatodipistacchio · 07/01/2022 23:18

Thanks for sharing your story, OP. It is so important for all sorts of women to share their stories.

I'm also a supposedly strong woman in a law enforcement role. I also credit Mumsnet for helping me to understand that I was being abused.

My hope is that the culture in general, and within law enforcement, can change so that controlling behaviours can be understood and recognised before there is physical violence. Too many women are living in fear.

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