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Guest post: "As sex workers, our lives depend on decriminalisation"

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JosephineMumsnet · 07/07/2016 12:19

I was 19 years old when I made the decision to sell sex. An unorthodox choice, certainly, but one which helped me get through university without crippling debt, and later, a choice which would allow me to return to university as a single parent and complete my second degree. Please don't fall into the trap of assuming that because I'm a white, middle-class, educated woman I can't possibly understand the abject misery that is sometimes seen in our industry. I stood on Burlington Road in Dublin in the dead of winter, often drunk or out of my head on cocaine, or both, selling sex at £30 a time. That's not privileged. Now, with over 20 years behind me, I can finally put that experience to use, and educate people about the realities of our industry, and what would make us safer.

As the debate around the sex industry gathers steam, there are two schools of thought. Punish the punters by making it illegal to purchase sex, or decriminalise the laws around sex work. Let's look at both.

The law that criminalises the punter was introduced in Sweden in 1999 and has been an abject failure. Its aim was to reduce prostitution by reducing 'demand', but the Swedish government admits there has been no change to the number of buyers, or sellers. So what has changed? Violence against sex workers has increased sharply, with police targeting their homes to arrest buyers, often resulting in their being made homeless. The most vulnerable sex workers on the streets cannot be reached by outreach services, to facilitate condom distribution or needle exchange, as they need to work away from police detection. Sex workers are refusing to report violence to police, as they know they place themselves at risk from the very people supposed to protect them. Stigma has increased, with sex workers in both Sweden and Norway reporting having their children removed, and deportation of migrant sex workers is rife.

One of the most infuriating strands to the current feminist discourse around sex work is the assertion that we are abused, or even raped, every time we sell sex. That statement is injurious and grossly insulting to those who have survived abuse and rape, and it also strips sex workers of our agency. As much as we campaign for the right to say 'yes', we absolutely reserve the right to say 'no'. I detest the use of the word 'empowerment' in any debate on sex work. My job is no more empowering than anyone else's; it allows me to support my family and pay my bills. But as a community, there is no doubt that we are more empowered to say 'no' when we are permitted to work together for safety.

Under current legislation, and even more so under the Swedish model, sex workers are not permitted to work more than one to a premises. If I ask a friend to share an apartment with me so I feel safer in accepting visiting clients, we can be arrested and charged with 'pimping' from each other. That practice is commonplace. As cash, mobile phones and laptops are often removed as 'evidence', the women concerned are left with nothing but a criminal record, simply for wishing to stay safe.

So what is decriminalisation? Not to be confused with legalisation, it refers to the removal of all criminal prohibitions and penalties on sex work. In doing so, it protects the human rights of sex workers, as acknowledged by WHO, UNAIDS, The Lancet and more recently, Amnesty International.

Decriminalisation allows us to work together for safety, which is crucial. Decriminalisation also makes it easier to access justice and support services, and facilitates a better response to true exploitation in the industry. When the police work with us, not against us, we are best placed to identify and report others in danger.

On June 1 2015, the Northern Irish Assembly made it illegal to purchase sex. I have launched a High Court challenge to that law and will take it to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary. You may not like or be comfortable with the exchange of sex for money and that's fine - that's not what this debate is about. It's about our right to safety in the workplace. 154 sex workers have been murdered since 1990. We ask for your support for decriminalisation. Our lives depend on it.

Read Kat Banyard's post here.

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FloraFox · 10/07/2016 12:27

Gaye the fact you think that is a worthwhile question is why it's a waste of time discussing this with you. That's is a total non sequitur.

MatthiasLehmann · 10/07/2016 12:35

Re: FloraFox

You mentioned a study but when I respond to it with the actual policy recommendations by the very authors and the valid questions regarding at least some of the data they used, you roll out the good old “pimp lobby” insult. On that basis I surely won’t further engage. NRN

Re: TheRealPosieParker

Making claims but then not providing the sources. Like I haven’t seen that one before. If it’s not that, it’s copy/pasting inaccurate of disproven information as Mary Honeyball did in her “EU report”, which not even first year students would get past their professors. I’ll leave it for others to judge whether policies should be based on assumptions of peer-reviewed research.

GayeDalton · 10/07/2016 12:37

FloraFox

You got that right, and I hope it will ALWAYS be a waste of time to throw propaganda and agenda driven nonsense at me and expect me to swallow it...

TheRealPosieParker · 10/07/2016 12:38

Matthais....

I don't know you, have you just joined Mumnset to tell people how great buying sex is?

FloraFox · 10/07/2016 12:39

Matthias the authors noted in the paper that the policy outcome has broader issues than trafficking. The desired policy outcomes of the authors are actually neither here nor there and will undoubtedly be influenced by their general political views.

What about you though? Are you a current or former prostitute or punter?

MatthiasLehmann · 10/07/2016 15:40

Re: TheRealPosieParker & FloraFox

"have you just joined Mumnset to tell people how great buying sex is?"
"Are you a current or former prostitute or punter?"

I'm using my real name here and as Posie Parker said, Google is your friend. I'll just say this: trying to "shame" me as someone who might pay for sex - although obviously I don't consider that something one needs to be ashamed of as long as the exchange happens between consenting adults - is such a very, very tired ploy. "Pimp lobby" etc - we've all heard it a zillion times before and you can go into virtually any comment thread on articles about sex work and find the same lame attempts of character assassination over and over again. Apparently, you never get bored of it. #overandout

FloraFox · 10/07/2016 15:48

So are you a punter then?

BeyondVulvaResistance · 10/07/2016 15:49

Nope. Nope. Nope.
Choosey choosey bullshit.

BeyondVulvaResistance · 10/07/2016 15:53

And why the hell are mumsnet promoting this crap?
Is there a single parent on the entire site happy for their child to grow up to be a human wanksock? Hmm

LurcioAgain · 10/07/2016 16:01

Wow, that's what I call being very sure of your own importance. I am guessing you are neither a midfielder for FC Koln nor a professor of Jewish history, because those are the first two hits on google!

BeyondVulva - absolutely nails it. No one in their right mind would want that for their children.

KatieKaboom · 10/07/2016 16:04

Vulva - exactly.

FloraFox · 10/07/2016 16:17

When men devote their lives to maintaining the availability of women as sexual commodities and hold themselves out as someone with views women should give a single fuck about, I think it's relevant to state their interest in the issue and clarify whether they have participated in the sex industry.

DetestableHerytike · 10/07/2016 16:19

Beyond, MN have also promoted a great post from the other side made by Kat Banyard

DetestableHerytike · 10/07/2016 16:21

If you add pimp to the google search, it helps.

Matthias Lehmann is an independent German researcher currently based in Berlin after extensive stays in East Asia. A graduate of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) and Kyung Hee University, he has conducted research and fieldwork in Thailand and South Korea. In 2012, he participated in the Sex Workers’ Freedom Festival in Kolkata, official hub of the 2012 International AIDS Conference. His research focus lies on the collateral damage caused by anti-trafficking and anti-prostitution legislation, in particular where the rights of sex workers and migrants are concerned. With his on-going research project, he aims to add to the knowledge about the experiences of sex workers in South Korea.

KatieKaboom · 10/07/2016 16:25

What a brave researcher.

FloraFox · 10/07/2016 16:26
Hmm
BeyondVulvaResistance · 10/07/2016 16:31

Conflict of interest.
If one makes a living researching prostitution, what does one do instead if prostitution goes away?
And weirdly they come to the conclusion that decriminalisation is the only way? Chinny reckon.

IPityThePontipines · 10/07/2016 16:48

It's weird how passionate these men are about women having the "right" to be prostitutes.

They never seem to get this worked up about any other aspect of women's rights.

MatthiasLehmann · 10/07/2016 16:48

Lehmann is a pretty common German surname so of course one needs a teeny tiny bit of experience in how to do online searches. If you add 'sex work' - I know, a term you reject - you can easily find information about me.

You won't suck me further (pun intended) into your universe. I signed up for Mumsnet because I was impressed that an article by Laura was featured here, given what I've previously read on Mumsnet, and because I wanted to contribute a thing or two to the discussion. I do not devote my live to maintain the availability of women as sexual commodities and I've made a living just fine before doing research about sex work, e.g. by working for an NGO providing actual services, not just campaign slogans, to prevent children and youth from entering exploitative labour situations in any industry. But it doesn't really matter what I say, does it. As I said above, all your attempts of character assassination are as old as your contempt for sex workers, many of whom are (single) mothers, is grotesque.

By the way, you do not have to give a f* about my opinion. Apparently, though, some members appear to be interested to learn more about the subject and if only one or two of those will appreciate having additional sources to look into, that's good enough for me.

Guest post: "As sex workers, our lives depend on decriminalisation"
Guest post: "As sex workers, our lives depend on decriminalisation"
Guest post: "As sex workers, our lives depend on decriminalisation"
FloraFox · 10/07/2016 16:59

Your reading skills could use some work if you think there is contempt for women in prostitution here. Perhaps you might try reading with a less biased perspective.

LurcioAgain · 10/07/2016 17:02

I don't have any contempt for women who are working as prostitutes. They are trying their best to survive in a world where the system is stacked against women. I have huge amounts of contempt for pimps and punters, whom I regard as the fucking scum of the earth.

BeyondVulvaResistance · 10/07/2016 17:07

I don't not give an f* about your opinion.
I don't give a fuck about your opinion.

MatthiasLehmann · 10/07/2016 17:17

How else would you describe it, if not as contempt, if children of sex workers are referred to as growing up to be "a human wanksock"?

BeyondVulvaResistance · 10/07/2016 17:26

I suggest you work on your reading comprehension, Mr Expert :)

MassiveStrumpet · 10/07/2016 17:31

You called prostitutes "human wanksocks."

It wasn't nice.

I doubt you care.