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Guest post: "Detention is no place for pregnant women"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/03/2016 17:40

Lucy* was 23 when she fell pregnant as a result of brutal sexual violence. Her mother bought her a plane ticket to the UK, thinking she and her baby would be safe here - but she was detained straight from the airport. She arrived frightened, alone and pregnant, and was locked up.

Lucy spent four weeks in Yarl's Wood between months five and six of her pregnancy. She told me that she couldn't believe places like this existed in the UK.

Her pregnancy had been painful, Lucy said. At one point, things got so bad that her solicitor had to intervene to ensure she was taken to the nearby hospital for medical attention. The staff at Yarl's Wood were dismissive of her complaints; there's a prevalent culture of disbelief, and women are often accused of pretending to be ill to strengthen their asylum case. Concerns have repeatedly been raised about the quality of the healthcare provision at Yarl's Wood, and Lucy had no idea what was going to happen to her or her baby.

About a month after she was detained, Lucy was released. She had nowhere to go, and had to rely on the kindness of strangers until her baby boy was born. Her son is now three months old and they are living in the community, but their asylum status is still in limbo.

About a month after I first met Lucy, I also met Priya* in Yarl's Wood, where she'd been for about six weeks. She was 25, and around five months pregnant; her story is also told in .

I visit Yarl's Wood about once a month, and always take small gifts for the women I'm visiting – usually nice smellies, body lotions and shampoos. When I asked Priya what she wanted me to bring, she asked for a photo of a baby girl to look at, and I felt so saddened by the simplicity of her request. During her time in Yarl's Wood, she'd been taken to Bedford hospital for her 20 week scan, so she knew she was having a girl and desperately wanted to imagine what she might be like.

Priya had been taken late for her appointment, escorted by Yarl's Wood officers, and hadn't had time to speak to the midwife afterwards. She was clearly frustrated, anxious, and uncertain about what to expect. "I used to worry about myself, but now I only worry about what will happen to my daughter," she told me.

She also felt very alone. She has no family, either in the UK or her home country, and her partner, like her, is an asylum seeker. Although they spoke on the phone every day, he lived in asylum support accommodation at the other end of the country, and couldn't afford to visit. At the time, I was the only 'social' visitor she'd had. I couldn't believe how tiny and fragile she looked when we first met, but she told me she felt weak and sick all the time.

She struggled to eat the food that was provided, and had been unable to access proper support for her depression, low blood pressure, and problems sleeping. The experience of detention is immensely distressing, and over half the women we surveyed in detention said they thought about killing themselves. For Priya, pregnancy and the separation from her partner also made her more emotionally vulnerable, but staff were again dismissive and unkind when she sought help for her mental health problems.

Lucy and Priya's stories are heartbreaking, but sadly they are not alone in their experiences. Over the course of 2014, 99 pregnant women were detained in Yarl's Wood – despite the Home Office's own policy that pregnant women should only be detained under 'exceptional circumstances'.

At Women for Refugee Women we know, from the stories of women like Lucy and Priya, that detention is no place for pregnant women. And it's not just our opinion – two recent independent reviews, by HM Prisons Inspectorate and Stephen Shaw, as well as medical and legal experts, have expressed similar concerns about pregnant women being detained. Join our Set Her Free campaign to ensure all women who seek asylum in the UK are treated with dignity and respect - sign the petition here.

*Names have been changed

OP posts:
Kummerspeck · 08/03/2016 17:42

I know that how we treat those seeking asylum is a separate issue to how we treat our own countrymen but there are people in the UK who would be glad of any roof over their head. The idea of families having to sleep in public lavatories is shocking here

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 08/03/2016 17:53

vivienne hadn't thought of it like that!

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 08/03/2016 17:55

emily children in the form of 14/15/16/17 year boys arriving from Syria? They should just be let in with no questions asked?

IPityThePontipines · 08/03/2016 18:02

Mum - No one is saying anyone should be let in with no questions asked. People are criticising indefinite detention in centres such as Yarls Wood.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 08/03/2016 18:23

The NHS is another issue, and the failings there are due to chronic starvation of funds by the current government. If it were properly funded, we would be capable of delivering a good standard of health care for all

I was referring to 2006 when the NHS was smashed by the Labour government of the time, and had been under labour for years, and all the horrifying stories about lack of midwives came out, always in the press. Then of course the massive wave of immigration hit, and blew it away.

Its never recovered has it.

To persist in misrepresenting unpleasant posts as hate speech is itself reprehensible, for so many reasons

I agree.

Amazing posts Our Blance. Smile

IPityThePontipines · 08/03/2016 18:46

*I was referring to 2006 when the NHS was smashed by the Labour government of the time, and had been under labour for years, and all the horrifying stories about lack of midwives came out, always in the press. Then of course the massive wave of immigration hit, and blew it away.

Its never recovered has it.*

What?!

I think you would be hard pressed to link Mid Staffs, Morecambe Bay or the Organ Rentention scandal to immigration. Those were three massive health stories that occurred during the time of the Labour government.

Also, do you have no idea what is happening to NHS services and the damage privatisation of health and social services is doing?

But you'd rather blame everything on immigration?!

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 08/03/2016 18:51

Yes I pity the NHS was under massive strain esp maternity, there were horror stories in the press all the time, one midwife to several labours, then the massive waves of immigration hit, and it sank.

yes. be out raged, I am out raged, I am out raged for all those women thrown under the bus at that time.

if your interested, google, it.

how could it recover?

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 08/03/2016 18:52

But you'd rather blame everything on immigration?!

we were desperately short of midwives, then blair encouraged a swift increase of the population. of course more women giving birth is going to cause problems.

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 18:59

I don't want to out myself, but I am very well informed about the NHS (politics, funding, structure, governance & management) due to my profession. Your analysis of the problems affecting the NHS is wrong and I don't know any hospital board member who'd agree with it. There are many sources of decent information about the problems, amd none of the reputable ones attribute the current health funding crisis to immigration. (The Kings Fund and various other think tanks produce lots of info if you're interested to look.)

emilybohemia · 08/03/2016 20:13

'And incidentally, when discussing 'left' and 'right', the person I know of who does the most for refugees is an out-and-out Conservative. He was advised to leave the place where he was working because his life was in danger from those nice gents of ISIS. So simple political categories just don't fit here'.

There is also a Conservative MP that has been in the Calais camp who has been speaking to volounteers and speaking out on the ill treatment of children by police that tear gas them. This is great and shows that not all Conservatives agree with the 'bunch ofmigrants' rhetoric.

However, it isn't the right on here that concern me so much, it is the far right views that appear on threads like this and others, that display a 'them and us' mentality, that place Muslim refugees and immigrants as a cultural threat.

Inkanta · 08/03/2016 20:27

'However, it isn't the right on here that concern me so much, it is the far right views that appear on threads like this and others, that display a 'them and us' mentality, that place Muslim refugees and immigrants as a cultural threat.'

Are muslim refugees and immigrants a cultural threat? I would like that subject to be up for discussion. I am neither left or right or far right. Infact I am not sure how you would classify me politically.

I want to be able to talk about cultural (or race) issues.

Is that Ok. Or not OK?

I am not a hater. I am concerned. I want to explore and understand what we are dealing with exactly.

LazyDaysAndTuesdays · 08/03/2016 20:31

However, it isn't the right on here that concern me so much, it is the far right views that appear on threads like this and others, that display a 'them and us' mentality, that place Muslim refugees and immigrants as a cultural threat.

Religion hasn't been mentioned on this thread, so which thread are you talking about?

Viviennemary · 08/03/2016 20:34

Shame there is not a bit more of an outcry about the treatment of Christians in some countries with beheadings and worse. That isn't a very fashionable cause amongst so called 'activists'.

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 20:43

I'm against anyone being beheaded. Is that good enough for you?

If you think a cause is important, campaign about it. But you can't have a go at someone campaigning about something simply because they're not also campaigning about every single other injustice in the world. That's not a valid argument against them.

Limer · 08/03/2016 21:11

Any refugee or immigrant who adheres to a religion that teaches that men are greater than women is a cultural threat.

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 21:13

That includes Christianity then I guess. And pretty much every other major religion.

hownottofuckup · 08/03/2016 21:17

Excellent posts Woman

'Compassion fatigue' sounds abhorrent.

Limer · 08/03/2016 21:20

That includes Christianity then I guess. And pretty much every other major religion

Yes it does. Don't you agree with equal rights for women?

Indigofactory · 08/03/2016 21:21

Are muslim refugees and immigrants a cultural threat? I would like that subject to be up for discussion. I am neither left or right or far right. Infact I am not sure how you would classify me politically. I want to be able to talk about cultural (or race) issues. Is that Ok. Or not OK?

This is a very important point.

It is crucial, for the sake of all concerned, that cultural differences and potential flash points are debated.

I'd like to think that there's enough compassion to go round to include both European victims of tarrush gammea as well as migrant women raped on their journey and little boys who go swimming in the wrong day.

And it's not just sexual threats. Where is the line between welcome and cultural capitulation? Should Germany serve pork? Should swimming pools be segregated? Those issues need to be talked about too.

Inkata, you are right. To ignore the issue infantalises the migrants and refugees, rather like a mother who will not hear a word against a child, whatever his behaviour.

It's also a key factor in the polarisation of threads we've seen recently.

None of us deserve to be squashed into political boxes; we are clearly all compassionate people.

Sprongpicnic · 08/03/2016 21:24

Good post indigo. Most thought provoking. Would be worth starting a thread so we could discuss

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 21:28

Yes I do, and I'm an atheist. I'm just wondering what point you were trying to make.

emilybohemia · 08/03/2016 21:32

No, Muslims haven't been mentioned on this thread, but it often seems to be the underlying reason for antipathy toward asylum seekers.

There is an outcry about it, Vivienne. There are many people for example, calling for better treatment of the people at the Calais camp where people of various religions areand have had places of worship destroyed. In addition, news sources state that Isis persecute Muslims and Christians.

There is a them and us mentality in some posts here, regardless of whether religion is mentioned, purely because some posters position asylum seekers or refugees as the enemy that will take something away from them. This comment for example demonstrates the way they are seen as a cultural threat. It is the notion that in being compassionate we will give up some sort of identity and cohesion.

'Asylum seekers should be processed quickly. That I agree with. But there has to be a limit, otherwise we all become Syria'. Redroses

I saw a video last year of a man in a barbed wire cage with his children speaking to a police officer and asking him to, 'treat me like a human.' He hadn't been fed for hours at the refugee camp and the police said they were 'following orders.' The man tried to remind him of the war in Bosnia, when people were seen as less than human and thus treated horrifically.

That is what I want. I want refugees and asylum seekers to be treated like human beings. I want the women mentioned by the op to be treated like human beings. I see the human rights of these people being eroded. Then they will take away the human rights of everyone else because they can, because they are 'following orders.'

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 21:34

Back on the topic of asylum seekers' human rights, a report was published today that some may be interested in.

www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2016/mar/08/migrant-shed-scandal-refugees-dover

West14 · 08/03/2016 21:56

I am confused about why this thread even exists. We are told that Lucy's mother bought her a ticket to the UK and she was detained at Yarlswood. A person arriving in britain would be detained, that is standard operating procedure.
At the detention centre there was Priya - an asylum seeker. The petitioner says "she knew she was having a girl and desperately wanted to imagine what she might be like." All mothers-to-be want that ... do not understand what this has to be with conditions at the centre. It sounds like padding to me.

I know someone who spent 2 weeks there. She said she took that opportunity to rest. There was TV, a library, hairdresser, nice food. She was not fawned over, no one was over-friendly but nor were they hostile.

I think these two women are very lucky to have been given a roof over their heads and medical attention. I suspect the conditions of the detention centre is ten times better than back home.

West14 · 08/03/2016 22:03

Them and Us attitude .... umm. A bit like how the women were viewed on that fateful night 31 December? They certainly demonstrated that attitude.

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