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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

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Oscha · 10/11/2015 12:05

I am really disappointed Sandi hasn't come back to this.

ArcheryAnnie · 10/11/2015 12:07

Indeed, Empress! Cheers, MNHQ!

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 10/11/2015 13:15

Also just realised that WEP promised to respond to my email about this within 3 working days max - one week ago.

The silence is becoming deafening.

FloraFox · 10/11/2015 16:43

Tiggy's first step towards equality is more jobs for men. There you have it. Hmm

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/11/2015 17:34

On the one hand, I can see they would be frightened of getting no-platformed, post- the Greer appallingness.

On the other, it's a bit shit not to have got back at all, by now. Combination of silence and supporting men in women's prisons does not really give an encouraging picture. What a shame.

IamTheWhoreofBabylon · 10/11/2015 17:46

while I think there is a group of trans women who genuinely want to just get on with life as a woman I am starting to think the very vocal, radical group are just after a sexual thrill
The U.S. teen with their penis swinging beneath a mini skirt insisting on sharing a changing room with 14 year old girls is horrifying. Those poor girls, and then to be called bigots. It is really world gone mad shit

Some views on here are mind blowing, like the poster who said the women and girls who walked out of a toilet because a trans woman clearly had an erection should have pretended not to notice to save her emberasssment
WTF why was she aroused by being in a toilet block. Born women are not sexually aroused by wearing a skirt or going to the toilet, not any that I know anyway
And the penis is definitely the elephant in the room
I cannot comprehend it being named a female body part

TiggyD · 10/11/2015 19:52

Tiggy's first step towards equality is more jobs for men. There you have it - I believe one of the first steps is to show children that looking after children isn't just a woman's job. I want children to grow up believing that they can do whatever they choose to do, be what they want to be, love who they want to love, without thinking about whether it's 'right' for their sex.

Childcare is low paid, low value and long hours, and you think women should do it. Hmm

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 10/11/2015 20:28

I'd be in favour of more SAHD, more fathers requesting flexible or PT working and properly doing their share of the unpaid childcare, more fathers taking the unexpected time off when their DC are unwell or sent home for misbehaviour as well as the more predictable medical appointments, sports days, special assemblies ...

More men working in childcare would be OK, I've nothing against the idea, but Flora's right, they'd they'd just get promoted to management ahead of their female colleagues.

TiggyD · 10/11/2015 20:49

How will you get that first list of things if for the first 10 years of a child's life they only see women looking after children?

And out of all the men I've met over the last 20 years in childcare how many have been promoted to management? None.

CharlieSierra · 10/11/2015 21:05

If fathers were taking equal responsibility for caring for their own children, sharing the time off for sickness etc as Plenty said, those children would see men looking after children.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 10/11/2015 21:44

Men could just get on and do it now Tiggy, even men who work in childcare. That way, children would see their dads - the men they look up to most in the world - doing childcare because it's important work in itself, not just because they've been paid to do it. I can also think of no quicker way to lessen the pay gap.

To put it bluntly, men need to make themselves as much of a 'liability' employment-wise as women are, because they're not relying on a woman in the background for childcare.

If you think men need an additional incentive to look after their own children we could maybe have an official policy that they're allowed a fucking bacon sandwich half-way through their at-home days?

I've never worked in childcare but I have worked in both healthcare and education and have seen how men climb the ranks, thanks partly to (usually) a woman in the background making them a model reliable employee, and partly thanks to employers' perceptions of women and men as employees. I don't see why childcare would be any different.

FloraFox · 10/11/2015 22:35

Tigs I CBA arguing with you about jobs for the boys in childcare. I'm pretty sure that the presence of women in the first 10 years of a child's life is not a negative thing so long as the presence of women in other areas of life is important.

I have to say that I don't generally rate your contributions on MN but if you are going to bang on about increasing jobs for men in childcare as something feminists should fight for, I can't imagine the depths of my esteem for you.

TiggyD · 10/11/2015 22:52

Flo, I'm not saying presence of women in the first 10 years of a child's life is a negative thing, as you know well. I'm saying that some children going for 10 years before they see a man look after children is a negative thing. It's hardly a controversial position.

if you are going to bang on about increasing jobs for men in childcare as something feminists should fight for, I can't imagine the depths of my esteem for you. - I am agreeing with the Women's Equality Party. Sad to hear you won't be supporting WE in the future.

almondpudding · 10/11/2015 23:45

How is it possible for anyone to go ten years and never see a man looking after a child? Do they not go outside?

I agree that men should be doing more unpaid work. I'm not sure what policies would aid that though.

TiggyD · 11/11/2015 07:03

There are many nurseries and primary schools with no men, and many single mothers. Sure they can see it in passing when they go outside, but that's hardly the same as experiencing it first hand. If there was a policy of getting more equal representation in early childcare and education it would lead to childcare being seen as something men can do.

hedgehogsdontbite · 11/11/2015 07:50

I'm in Sweden. Here they address the issue by giving parents a year off when a baby is born. Statutory pay for the whole period is 80% although many employers top up to 100%. There is an 'equality bonus' paid to parents who divide the time equally and they can choose how they take that time.

When DS was born DH chose to take 2 months off. Then he took 2 days a week off until DS was 6 months old. Then 1 day a week until he was 1. We still have parental days left over which we have to use before DS is 8. Swedish parents also get paid time off work when their children are sick.

Men here are sent a very clear message that they are equal parents. Employers know that men with children will have just as much time off as women. And kids grow up seeing this as the norm.

squidzin · 11/11/2015 08:36

hedgehogs, Do parents go into schools for lunch and to spend time with the children? I heared that school lunches are all provided by the state and they are pretty good!

Sweden and Scandinavia imo is the example model we should all follow for pretty much everything. And France too. No idea why Britain is happy to see everything destroyed by ridiculous Neoliberal policies.

hedgehogsdontbite · 11/11/2015 09:33

They could if they wanted to although I think they'd have to pay. The school DD went to had the dinning area for students which was free for all of them and right beside it a cafe where you could buy food. When DS started nursery I went with him for 2 weeks (as is the norm here) and was fed every day.

Parents can even sit in class and watch their kids being taught if they want or have concerns.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2015 14:02

Honestly, I am getting seriously sick of politicians (and would-be politicians) telling me that they "need" me, that they want me to "be part of it", and want me to "join us, share your ideas", when what they mean is "sit there while we tell you what we think, but we shan't hang around to hear any questions or opinions you might have".

Sandi! We love you! Or at least are pretty well-disposed towards you! We are totally ready to listen to what you have to say, even if we end up disagreeing with you! But that willingness to listen won't last forever if you behave like all the others, and just want us as a passive audience. Don't dump and run.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 14:24

You're going to love this....

I tweeted Sophie Walker & received a request to message WE on Twitter. FINALLY, I thought. I explained the Tara Hudson issue, cited the thread (again) with particular reference to Queen Stromba's excellent post near the beginning, and explained that they were in danger of losing all credibility with MNers and we just wanted them to listen to our views & talk to us.

Just got this meaningless cut-and-paste claptrap in response.

"Thanks for your input. WE are a diverse and inclusive party, and our policies bring together the experiences and ideas of people of all genders from across the country - including those doubly or trebly disadvantaged by their gender and other factors such as age, ethnicity, disability, sexuality, religion or family background. WE also recognise that the binary words 'woman' and 'man' do not reflect the gender experience of everyone in our country, and support the right of all to define their sex or gender or to reject gendered divisions as they choose.

WE hope you will get behind our values of inclusivity and diversity in order to make our country more equal for all."

I'm not going to reply yet, I'm too fucking furious.

howtorebuild · 11/11/2015 14:39

They have responded and now you know where they stand. What were you thinking of responding? I wouldn't bother personally.

zzzzz · 11/11/2015 14:40

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OddBoots · 11/11/2015 14:47

Well at least we know where we stand with them now. A shame but not unexpected.

reni2 · 11/11/2015 14:50

TWEP then.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 11/11/2015 14:57

Well this is dead in the water, then!

The anti-feminists were never going to go near WEP because the name is so so sexist and it should be the Everyone Equal Party or something.

Feminists who really want answers about how the WEP party understands the W aren't going to get them.

And anyone who's read or posted on this thread and been frustrated by the post-and-run patronizing will remember the bad manners it has displayed, and the contempt for women who did actually want to engage.

Sandi Toksvig, I thought better of you!