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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

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kua · 09/11/2015 22:54

crazy what's your thoughts on a full functioning male entering into a female prison?

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 09/11/2015 22:56

While you're here, Crazy, I have a question. Why is it always the women who get attacked?

It's apparently not ok to show the Vagina Monologues / discuss female biology without some ridiculous disclaimer / talk about pregnant women. Given that TWs have prostates & in many cases retain their balls & penises, etc, why aren't you fighting to be included by men's health charities? Aren't they considered transphobic?

ArcheryAnnie · 09/11/2015 23:00

Crazy you have been shown where the harm is, yet you still deny it. Is it because you think women don't matter?

Crazygirl123 · 09/11/2015 23:30

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kua · 09/11/2015 23:32

And there you go...Quell supris

Crazygirl123 · 09/11/2015 23:41

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kua · 09/11/2015 23:44

I cannae be arsed

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/11/2015 00:32

Kittle, I know how invaluable statistical knowledge of populations is. I too would oppose any credible campaign to not have the sex registered. But is no evidence that the stats we have are so skewed by trans that they are pointless. They're not. They speak for themselves and they tell the story of poverty, low paid, no paid, poor health and justice provision and lack of support.

Action needs to be taken now. I see no merit in waiting until some people define Woman and Trans before doing so.

howtorebuild · 10/11/2015 01:02

I am interested in the results of transactivists case against the DM, they don't note that some people with a prostate identify as women.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3310725/New-blood-test-aggressive-prostate-cancer-tumours.html

TiggyD · 10/11/2015 07:10

Poor Sandi. I don't suppose she was expecting to come on to Mumsnet and ask "Who's for equality?" only to be met by "Not if it means sharing it with trans women!". I think the Women's Equality Party will have to avoid feminists and concentrate on regular people to make any headway.
I like their approach to education. It's the easiest way a state can teach a particular way of thinking, and as children seem to have pretty firm ideas about boys' and girls' roles at 4, the younger the better.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 10/11/2015 07:13

I doubt Sandi would have got this response if the WEP hadn't supported moving Tara Hudson, Tiggy.

whatdoIget · 10/11/2015 07:43

Do you think the WEP doesn't have any feminists in it, Tiggy? Seems unlikely.

Kittlekattle · 10/11/2015 08:14

For me it comes down to do the answers to 3 questions.
Do you beleive that gender critical feminists have got a bit of a point, even if it is only a niche issue?
Do you also believe that it woukd be political suicide for WEP to be seen to be in agreement with this niche point?
Can you think of any other feminist issue that a feminist party couldnt talk about?
If you answer yes,yes, no - then thats the problem and thats the threat and why its important for WEP to think carefully about their position.

I dont want them to fail. I dont want them to not support the equality of transgender people where possible but I dont want them to support antiwomen causes as they did with Tara Hudson.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 10/11/2015 08:27

I don't want them to fail either but I think it's going to be fairly clear to them now that there's no point doing any more canvassing on MN until they've dealt with this issue.

Supporting trans rights: fine. Supporting them when they encroach on women's rights: NOT fine.

QueenStromba · 10/11/2015 08:44

We must be a pretty important target for them - where else are you going to get so many British women all in the one place?

ArcheryAnnie · 10/11/2015 09:23

"Not if it means sharing it with trans women!".

We aren't being asked to "share", TiggyD. We are being told to hand over what we have fought to get. We are being told to centre and prioritise male-bodied people in our feminism, hand over our spaces to them, and being told that we are the oppressor, to boot. That's a quite different thing than "share".

Crazygirl123 · 10/11/2015 09:35

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QueenStromba · 10/11/2015 09:45

What male spaces are we taking? Pubs and golf clubs? No reason why they need to be all male. There are good reasons why we need all female changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards, prisons, refuges, shelters etc. There are also women who, for various reasons, require other all female spaces such as gyms and colleges. Someone opening an all women gym does not stop men being able to go to a gym but not having all women gyms or gym sessions would stop some women from being able to go at all.

ArcheryAnnie · 10/11/2015 10:06

Do you know anything at all about the world, Crazy? Because most of it is a "male space".

ArcheryAnnie · 10/11/2015 10:07

And are you fine with there being no women's space at all, Crazy? Because you haven't actually said what you are for, and have just come on here to insult women and complain about what they are trying to build.

CallaLilli · 10/11/2015 10:21

And quite frankly, to compare a "men's space" like a garden shed to a rape crisis centre is just insulting. But I assume she's a troll just here for laffs so...

ArcheryAnnie · 10/11/2015 10:43

Anyone here actually taken a shed from a bloke, then? No? Not just me abstaining from evil feminist shed-stealing then?

Right-oh. Shall we carry on with less of this nonsense, then, Crazy?

howtorebuild · 10/11/2015 10:55

I own a shed. Some may call it a she shed, I call it The Shed.

QueenStromba · 10/11/2015 10:58

MNHQ have now deleted all of CrazyGirl's posts - nice to see the feminist trolling being dealt with.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 10/11/2015 11:10

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