Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Guest posts

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

533 replies

MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

OP posts:
tsonlyme · 11/11/2015 21:41

So far so disappointing, what a shame.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 11/11/2015 21:50

What HairyLittleCarrot said.

I don't know whether WEP have genuinely swallowed the Orwellian BS or whether they are just scared to stand up for actual women. Either way it's bad.

What do we need WEP for if we can just all identify our way out of oppression?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2015 21:50

To be fair to them they have to be incredibly careful as to how they reply to this.

I think MN is ahead of the curve where it comes to the trans issue (and I agree with all the concerns raised). However, as we know transactivists and their allies can be very vocal and very aggressive. I'd hope WEP would stand by the logical position rather than the populist,non-controversial position, but that must be a fairly critical policy decision.

TBH I suspect that they had hoped that the trans issue would never come up.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 21:52

The irony is that if they hadn't retweeted the Hudson petition it might well not have.

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 21:52

Then they could have just not retweeted the petition and they wouldn't have this problem.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2015 21:54

I think whoever is in charge of their twitter account was, like so many people, riding the wave of indignation and support for this gentle woman who had been put in the wrong prison. So many people have obviously never stopped to think about the issues properly.

tsonlyme · 11/11/2015 21:55

Isn't it precisely because if aggressive trans activism barging it's way into women's spaces that we need women to stand up for women? We need someone with a voice to rip off the emperors new clothes because right now I feel like one of the whispering crowd.

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 21:55

That's no excuse though. If Tara hurts someone then WEP will be partially responsible.

BeyondThirty · 11/11/2015 21:57

Well ,doesnt this look promising... Hmm

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 21:57

Also, if WEP want to look professional their social media person needs to know what she's doing!

soph36 · 11/11/2015 21:58

Ok. So here's an explanation of our decision to retweet a petition in support of moving Tara Hudson to a female prison.

We are committed to being a fully diverse and inclusive political party.

This means we support the rights of women – including trans women – to be treated with dignity and respect, including when they have been found guilty of a crime, and regardless of the nature of that crime.

Tara Hudson has been living as a woman since her teens. She did not adopt that identity in order to receive a ‘softer’ punishment in a women’s prison. She identifies as a woman, and WE stand behind her right to be regarded as such.

Our policies are the result of crowdsourcing ideas from a huge number of women and men, in workshops organised at local branches around the country. Our members and supporters are drawn from every area of the UK and from a wide range of socio-economic and ethnic backgrounds – they all understand our central proposition: that equality is better for everyone.

One of our key policy areas is to end violence against women. To that end, we are proposing to protect legal aid for all cases involving domestic violence and provide specialist counselling and support for abused partners. We also want to expand services to ensure we can provide a stable place to live for all women and children fleeing domestic abuse and we aim to ensure that all women and girls who experience sexual, domestic or other violence have access to specialist support and advocacy services in their community. We also want to restore specialist services for LGBT or BME survivors, whose specific needs are not being met.

We want to represent all those who are discriminated against and disadvantaged by our current political system. And I promise, we are listening, and will continue to listen.

Can I suggest that at this point anyone who would like to do so read our policies in full? You can do so by following this link:

d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/womensequality/pages/405/attachments/original/1445332098/WE_Policy_Launch.pdf?1445332098

Thank you

slugseatlettuce · 11/11/2015 22:00

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:01

So you did know that Tara has a fully functioning penis and eight convictions for violent crimes then?

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:01

Or you didn't know but don't think it makes a difference?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2015 22:01

I'm guessing Sophie has actually read the thread bow, and is having to run her reply by someone. How they reply to this could have massive impact on WEP and it is not entirely clear which reply would be most damaging to them.

Isn't it precisely because if aggressive trans activism barging it's way into women's spaces that we need women to stand up for women? We need someone with a voice to rip off the emperors new clothes because right now I feel like one of the whispering crowd.

I completely agree with this, but it looks like WEPs copy and lasted policy is jsut that. They are focused on women's rights and (foolishly, naively) haven't co sidered the issues around people self-defining as women. They need to go back to the drawing board and have a think about who they really want to represent and what that means. Are they brave enough to be branded TERFs, or will it before politically expedient to be seen as trans-allies?

CharlieSierra · 11/11/2015 22:02

She doesn't even have to hurt someone to cause them harm either QueenStromba, just her presence is potentially very traumatic. (I'm thinking of the time I spent in hospital after the difficult birth of my second child and the immeasurable distress caused by the presence of men in the ward virtually 24/7)

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 22:03

I think the response makes that pretty clear, It'sAll.

kua · 11/11/2015 22:04

Queen Agreed, there doesn't seem to be any thought on how Tara's incarceration will pan out.

If Tara inflicts pain on an other female, I'll be looking at you WEP.

slugseatlettuce · 11/11/2015 22:05

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HamaTime · 11/11/2015 22:05

Well, that's pretty clear. Women - budge up

Get tae fuck

SoftDriftedSnow · 11/11/2015 22:05

This is the discussion that should have happened over a decade ago. Better late than never. I often wonder how it would have gone back then if same sex marriage came before the GRA.

I don't envy the position in which the WEP finds itself. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can support a party that is conflicted in such a fundamental way. I just don't see how one can put women in the centre of what you're about, whilst being unable to take a woman centric position on the such things as the Tara Hudson situation. Hardly started going and already failed to support women. Not very promising.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2015 22:06

Back from eating tea.

Glad you are still here, Sophie. I am going to repeat my question in full below, because you didn't answer it - are you seriously OK with the safety and privacy of a large group of vulnerable women being completely sidelined because of the desires of one male-bodied person to have their identity validated? Or is it that vulnerable women just don't count when it comes to deserving dignity and respect?

"So - you do support Hudson being sent to a women's prison? What about the women already in the prison?

Most women in prison, unlike Hudson,, are in there for nonviolent crimes. Many of those women will have come from vulnerable backgrounds. Nearly half of the women prisoner population have experienced domestic violence, more than half have been abused as children - physically, emotionally or sexually - and about a third grew up in care.

Putting Hudson's needs above their safety and privacy signals to these vulnerable women that, yet again, their safety and their needs come last, and that they should learn to accept that. Are you seriously OK with this?"

LavenderCakes · 11/11/2015 22:06

Sophie, in common with many others on this thread, I urge you to read some gender-critical material. Maybe people you've been listening to have been scared to speak up - for what reasons you will appreciate if you read the material.

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:06

This is true Charlie - as a rape survivor I would be pretty traumatised by having to share a prison with a fully functioning male.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2015 22:06

Tara Hudson has been living as a woman since her teens. She did not adopt that identity in order to receive a ‘softer’ punishment in a women’s prison. She identifies as a woman, and WE stand behind her right to be regarded as such.

So, just to clarify, WEP feels that prisons should be segregated by gender rather than sex, and that it is appropriate that a person who used their fully functioning penis, and has been convicted of several violent offences should be houses in a woman's prison?

To that end, we are proposing to protect legal aid for all cases involving domestic violence and provide specialist counselling and support for abused partners. We also want to expand services to ensure we can provide a stable place to live for all women and children fleeing domestic abuse and we aim to ensure that all women and girls who experience sexual, domestic or other violence have access to specialist support and advocacy services in their community. We also want to restore specialist services for LGBT or BME survivors, whose specific needs are not being met.

Does WEP feel that trans-women should be accommodated in women's refuges?
Does WEP feel that trans-women should be accommodated in rape crisis centres?