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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

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HairyLittleCarrot · 11/11/2015 22:06

To to summarise the WEP stance:

Position 1: Violent Tara who possesses a fully functioning penis and a fully male physique with male muscular strength and skeletal structure
Position 2: All of the vulnerable, smaller, predominantly less violent female women housed in the prison, many of whom will have been subject to male violence and rape

And you feel that Tara's right to be identified as a woman outstrips all of the women's rights not to be imprisoned with a male bodied person?

THAT is how you weigh up the conflicting rights of both parties?

Tara's identity>women's rights?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2015 22:08

Indeed. I am very disappointed in WEP over this Sad

HermioneWeasley · 11/11/2015 22:10

Hi Sophie

How do you reconcile wanting women who have suffered DV and sexual abuse (almost always by men) to have a safe space, with letting anyone who "feels like a woman" into that space?

To me, the two are irreconcilable. If we had a clearer definition of trans women it would help, and for me that would have to include full gender reassignment surgery. At least that would eliminate the predatory men who are using (this is not hypothetical) I repeate ARE USING the "I feel like a woman" argument to access women only space.

Your current policy of letting people "define" their sex is pandering to a delusion.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2015 22:10

If Tara inflicts pain on an other female, I'll be looking at you WEP.

There's no "if" about it, kua. Women in prison have been told, yet again, what most of them have been told all their lives: that their safety, needs and wants are immaterial, and that they don't count as people deserving of rights. If a male-bodied person wants something, however, everyone will roll over to give it to them. What a lesson for us all. What a betrayal of all those vulnerable women.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 22:12

So how do you stop incidents like the one referred to up thread, where Hambrook [[http://m.torontosun.com/2014/02/15/a-sex-predators-sick-deception]] gained access to shelters by pretending to be trans and assaulted women and children, if anyone who says they're female is female?

HermioneWeasley · 11/11/2015 22:13

Sophie, what does "living as a woman" mean when you refer to Tara Hudson?

I don't know many women who earn a living via their penis which they use to penetrate people for sexual gratification.

Or is it having fake tits and hair extensions that is "living like a woman". In which case I'm getting it all wrong!

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 22:13

Sorry. m.torontosun.com/2014/02/15/a-sex-predators-sick-deception

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:14

Who's up for starting a list of charities that actually help women for us to send the money we would have spent on membership fees to?

I'll start with:

Abortion support network
Rape crisis
Women's Aid

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:15

Wrong link for Women's Aid - here's the right one.

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:16

It's way past my bedtime: www.womensaid.org.uk/

HermioneWeasley · 11/11/2015 22:19

Good idea QS

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 22:19

Thanks Stromba.

OddBoots · 11/11/2015 22:21

Thanks QS. I've been making myself feel a bit better by supporting Project Shoebox for Women's Aid

ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2015 22:23

I'm imagining a press conference with WEP treating the press the way they've treated mumsnetters her. It's farcical.

All that goodwill, just bled away.

HairyLittleCarrot · 11/11/2015 22:23

Sophie

Are you familiar with the acronym TERF? It stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist and is used by Trans activists and their allies as a slur for anyone who believes that women (and I will be using that word with its original definition meaning "adult biological female human") are different biologically from men and are treated differently by society.

As far as I have ever read, the stance of most women who have been labelled TERF has been "we wish transpeople a happy fulfilled life. We wish you to have full access to healthcare, legal protection and freedom to express yourselves fully. We disagree that a male person can become a female person and we believe that the discrimination and life experiences we face as a female group are different than yours. We insist upon our right to be with other women in certain circumstances and to organise to discuss this and fight for equality. We support you in your own fights whilst remaining firm that we are different groups. We intend to push back where we see an erosion of our existing rights.

Whereas transactivists frequently express themselves thus:

"shoot a terf today"
"kill every fucking TERF"
"do you know a terf? cave their head in with a rock"
"if I ever find out you're a terf I will fucking kill you every single terf out there needs to die"
"I want to set every single terf kid on fire"
"I wanna fight a terf in a dimly lit parking lot"
#killallradfems

and so many, many more of the same nature and much worse. The group of transactivists posting these words are the same people who are demanding access to women's spaces.

terfisaslur.com/

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 22:24

I know Archery - and this isn't even AIBU!

BeyondThirty · 11/11/2015 22:27

I'd also be traumatised if i had to share with TH.
No problem though, i'd just self identify as innocent.

Ffs.

LavenderCakes · 11/11/2015 22:33

Sophie,

Many people (including myself two years ago) feel that because they are liberal, tolerant people, (and because of the very clever acronym LGBT) they need to support transpeople blindly. And I have no question that they, in the main, are very nice ordinary people who are simply determined on having their own lives. I have no problem with that.

But the encroachment of trans rights is in conflict with women's rights. I didn't believe that before, I do now. Again, please read the material on this.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 22:35

I was right, we're not the target audience. We're women who want the rights to our own space & identity & think gender is a bunch of socialised stereotypes.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 11/11/2015 22:36

There are some good policies but I cannot support a party that puts one person's self-identification above the rights to safety and dignity of one of the most vulnerable groups of women of all.

Trans people should be treated with respect and consideration but that should not mean that women always have to come last.

almondpudding · 11/11/2015 22:42

The policy of fathers being allowed to stay on maternity wards also takes away women's rights in hospital.

It feels like you want to pretend men and women are exactly the same and ignore the fact we're the ones actually giving birth, as if that's some massive inconvenience in your equality argument.

A party that cared about women would reduce the amount of time non patients were on maternity wards.

HamaTime · 11/11/2015 22:44

If a male bodied person who has 'lived as a woman', whatever that means, since they were a teenager can be housed in the female estate, because they have 'lived as a woman' Confused, does that mean that, for example, a convicted sex offender who says he has 'lived as a woman' for 10 minutes can transfer to the female estate as 'you support the rights of trans women'?

How do you define 'trans'? - Anyone who says they are trans?

How do you define 'woman'? - Anyone who says they are a woman?

And in all this, how do you protect women? The female bodied ones.

QueenLaBeefah · 11/11/2015 22:58

Won't be voting for WEP.

What's the point as they don't really seem to have a proper understanding about what the rights of women actually means.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 23:00

Or even about what woman actually means Sad.

I was seriously thinking about getting involved too.

DioneTheDiabolist · 11/11/2015 23:01

I'm happy to vote for WEP. I hope they field a candidate in my constituency.Smile

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