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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

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ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2015 21:14

So - you do support Hudson being sent to a women's prison? What about the women already in the prison?

Most women in prison, unlike Hudson,, are in there for nonviolent crimes. Many of those women will have come from vulnerable backgrounds. Nearly half of the women prisoner population have experienced domestic violence, more than half have been abused as children - physically, emotionally or sexually - and about a third grew up in care.

Putting Hudson's needs above their safety and privacy signals to these vulnerable women that, yet again, their safety and their needs come last, and that they should learn to accept that. Are you seriously OK with this?

DeoGratias · 11/11/2015 21:15

..ah having just read above, avoid trans debates too - another danger ground and a side show which does not affect many women and men.

soph36 · 11/11/2015 21:16

Thanks for your support DeoGratias. Dear QueenStromba and HairyLittleCarrot I can only repeat that I have read the thread and I have come on here tonight to clarify our position and demonstrate that we are reading and listening and responding.

OddBoots · 11/11/2015 21:18

Hi Sophie.

I understand how gender, as a social construct, can be defined in a variety of ways but how does someone define sex beyond its current and accepted biological definition.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 11/11/2015 21:18

Really, you can only repeat that? Are you not able to discuss the Tara issue, then?

kua · 11/11/2015 21:20

deo I think we need to clarify women in order to claim our safe spaces, whether they be prisons, rape centres, changing rooms etc

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 21:20

And we do appreciate that, Sophie. Then could we have a firm answer on Tara Hudson, and the precedent that sets for any dangerous male-bodied prisoner to claim to be trans and demand a move to a women's prison?

HairyLittleCarrot · 11/11/2015 21:22

"Our trans stance is that we support the right of all to define their sex or gender or to reject gendered divisions as they choose."

I don't understand how this is compatible with women's equality. (or logical, or based in science for that matter)

I am a woman.
I reject gender as a damaging social construct.
I acknowledge sex as a factual, unchangeable, biological state.
I believe women like me are subject to oppression and violence in a patriarchal society because of our sex.
I believe women like me have the right to certain protected spaces where we can exclusively be with other biological women. Toilets, Changing Rooms, Refuges, Rape Crisis Centres.

I want a political party to defend my rights and the rights of women to keep these safe spaces.

If a man decides to redefine himself as a woman and demand access to these places, our rights are in direct conflict.

If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing.

DeoGratias · 11/11/2015 21:23

I don't think discussing the trans issues gets most women much advanced at all. None of us wants trans women discriminated against but you can argue until the cows come home over what is a woman and end up just staring at your own navel as it were. What the equality party needs to do instead is get women sufficiently interested that they become supportive and advance the cause. I am very encouraged by the new feminism. Feminism dominated my life in my teens in the 1970s and then it became a dirtty word for a bit but in the last few years women have reclaimed it and the time is right for an equality party.

Mumsnet has a lot of different participants - mothers are as different from each other as any groups of people are but there are a lot of us so it's a good place to publicise things.

kua · 11/11/2015 21:23

^ What Hairy said X 2

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 21:25

DeoGratis: So you are fine with WEP suporting a petition that put a violent person who is legally a man and who has a fully functioning penis into a women's prison?

kua · 11/11/2015 21:25

deo There are a lot of non mums on here including males.

CharlieSierra · 11/11/2015 21:30

Great post Hairy

So Sophie, what do you say, does Tara's wish to be validated trump the right of biological women to be safe from violent male prisoners?

QueenStromba · 11/11/2015 21:31

I think she's buggered off.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 21:33

I'm going to be optimistic. Maybe she's lost signal or had a phone call.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 11/11/2015 21:34

Surely not, Stromba! Not given that she's explicitly said this:
I have come on here tonight to clarify our position and demonstrate that we are reading and listening and responding.
Nobody could post that they were going to demonstrate something and then sod off, surely?

DeoGratias · 11/11/2015 21:35

Most posters are female. Most are mothers.
Not many people are trans.

The equality party should concentrate on issues which affect most women.
There is a lot of work to be done and I am glad they have got started.

kua · 11/11/2015 21:36

"you can argue until the cows come home over what is a woman and end up just staring at your own navel"

Nah, I can pull down my jeans and check what's down below. Navel gazing will tell you nada, you are looking in the wrong place.

slugseatlettuce · 11/11/2015 21:36

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HairyLittleCarrot · 11/11/2015 21:36

Sophie
Your post suggests you don't understand the fundamental difference between sex and gender.

It's like saying you simultaneously believe in evolution and creationism.

slugseatlettuce · 11/11/2015 21:37

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ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2015 21:37

They've had five days to formulate a response, and still I suspect Sophie didn't read the thread before she came on. I've just dished up tea - I can't hang about for another five days until she comes back.

It's not looking good either on the operating-as-a-real-party count or on the political-content count. The decision to support Hudson seems to have been taken very quickly, but 5 days to respond to a critique of that decision seemingly isn't enough.

HamaTime · 11/11/2015 21:38

How do we protect women's safe spaces, and discuss issues that affect women such as VAWG/FGM/Refuge funding/Pay Gap/Maternity services if either you refuse to define what a woman is or define woman as whichever Tom, Dick or Harry identifies as one?

How can a party that claims to support women's rights actively campaign to put male bodied violent criminals in female prisons with no segregation facilities? It's a total headfuck.

soph36 · 11/11/2015 21:40

I am here, I'm reading your latest comments and writing an answer. I want to address all of these points

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 11/11/2015 21:41

Ok. Thank you, Sophie.