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MumsnetGuestPosts · 19/06/2015 15:46

In the wake of Tim Hunt's recent explosive comments on 'girls' in laboratories, a welcome debate about women in science has been stirred up. Currently only 7% of British engineers are female, which puts the UK at the bottom of the European gender equality tables. Britain suffers from a large shortage of engineers and scientists each year, so plugging the gap by inspiring more girls into science would seem to be the obvious solution. Unfortunately here in the UK, try as we might, we just can't seem to entice enough schoolgirls into STEM (science, technology, engineering & mathematics) subjects; something needs to change.

But the key to change can't be found with the professors and university lecturers; it can't even be found in the careers advice offices of secondary schools. It lies instead with us – the parents, caregivers and teachers of primary school age children - the people who have the most influence over the next generation.

The fact is that by the age of 10 or 11 children have already formed opinions of what they can and can't do and what subjects are or aren't appropriate for them as a girl or boy. This means that all too often girls opt to drop scientific subjects after their GCSEs, and thereby forego successful and lucrative careers in science and engineering.

It's up to us as parents to ring the changes in girls' early, formative years to help ensure that the next generation of young women grow up with the confidence they need to pursue a career in science. Here are some suggestions on how you can help your girls to flourish as scientists…

1. Start early
From the first day that they are born, girls are subjected to gender stereotyping – pink princesses, cupcakes and dolls adorn their babygrows and nursery walls. As they begin to become aware of their environment, some of the very first messages they're receiving are that girls should be interested in frilly things, domestic baking and childcare, whereas boys should be interested in machines and construction. Let's forget this crazy gender segregation of babies and instead allow children to be free to develop their own interests by exposing them to a balanced mix of images from day one.

2. Buy gender-neutral toys
Next time you buy a gift for a girl, try to think objectively about the toy that you choose. Will it be reinforcing gender stereotypes or breaking them? Here are some ideas for toys that will help encourage an interest in science and engineering from an early age:
Age 0-2: Toys that help promote co-ordination and construction are ideal at this age – for example shape sorters, Mega Bloks and even toy tools.
Age 3-5: Train sets, toy vehicles, plastic magnifying glasses and construction toys all make excellent gifts for pre-school girls.
Age 6-11: Lego, a children's microscope, a science set or a subscription to a science magazine are ideal for helping to inspire young girls.
Age 11+: Microscopes or even electrical engineering sets are excellent for budding young scientists, as well as logic puzzles like Rubik's cubes.

3. Lead by example
Try to be a visible role model by taking an interest in science in the news or in the nature you find on the walk to school. Have a go at mending the washing machine – you might surprise yourself!

4. Take things apart
When a clock, a wind-up toy or even just a retractable pen stops working, instead of throwing it away, encourage your daughter to take it to pieces. Give her a screwdriver, some pliers, whatever tools she needs to get in there. It doesn't matter if she can't mend whatever was broken or even put it back together again; she'll have learnt something about the inner workings of machines and more importantly she'll have learnt that it's fine for girls to wield tools.

5. Explore together
Listen to your daughter's ideas and explanations. Respond with sincerity to her first barrage of toddler "Why?" questions and try to take every opportunity to talk to her about how things work. Encourage her to ask questions and if you don't know the answer, don't panic! Look up the answer or encourage her to experiment to discover it for herself.

6. Let her get on with it
You probably already know that when she mixes vinegar with bicarbonate of soda she's going to create a ton of bubbles, that will likely spill out of the container, but it will be so much more exciting and memorable if she discovers it for herself. Share the message that the universe is full of undiscovered things and things that scientists don't have answers for and that's what makes science so exciting!

7. Stimulate her interest with science magazines and books
It can be tricky to find science resources and ideas for fun experiments to try at home, so make sure you have a supply of child-friendly science magazines and books to turn to. Whizz Pop Bang is a monthly magazine full of interesting articles and exciting experiments for 6-11 year olds that you can sign up for here.

8. Take trips to science museums and festivals
As well as the more obvious science museums, there are also lots of other fantastic venues for discovering science - from transport museums to zoos. Family festivals are worth investigating too, as they often have science tents full of hands-on science.

9. Get out and about
Nothing beats a real science field trip. Take a magnifying glass and a notebook to draw or write about what you find. Encourage your child to look under rocks and in crevices to find tiny bugs or fungi. Look at rock formations, search for fossils or investigate seeds and flowers.

10. Discover the universe
You can find out when the International Space station will be passing over your house here. Put out a blanket in the garden on a clear evening and lie looking up at the stars and the awe-inspiringly huge universe. When you see the space station, it will be travelling at the speed of five miles every second, orbiting the earth every 90 minutes and transporting a crew of six international astronauts, busily carrying out ground-breaking experiments in space – that should inspire even the most sceptical of girls to take an interest in science!

OP posts:
Lweji · 22/06/2015 16:51

There are lot of engineering careers which are definitely sciences. You do realise that a lot of engineers spend their lives in an office and have never held a spanner?

We take a problem, and invent new systems to solve it, based on a variety of factors including, location, speed of production, appearance, cost, efficiency etc. We research materials and new ways to use them.

Yes, I do realise.
But science is different. :)

SirChenjin · 22/06/2015 17:03

Orrery - that's precisely my point. Science is far more than a narrow academic career - or at least it should be. If we want to encourage girls to take up the sciences at school then we need to show them the wide variety of career options that this will lead them to - as opposed to showing them a very limited set of options in dry academia practising 'real' science, with poor pay, limited job opportunities and the door for those who don't progress. It's really not rocket science (see what I did there? Grin )

Lweji · 22/06/2015 17:43

But the thing is that people tend to confuse science with STEM.

You can do science in languages and social areas too.

But many aspects of STEM are not Science.

rockybalboa · 22/06/2015 17:48

Someone needs to have a word with Nina and her bloody Neurons on CBeebies. Do female engineers HAVE to wear garish blue eyeshadow and stupid bloody pigtails?!?

ErrolTheDragon · 22/06/2015 18:33

Yes leweji, and this thread is about STEM, not just science and certainly not just academic science. I'm a scientist ( as in chemistry PhD) but thereafter in industry (writing code) and I've not had to scrabble up a greasy pole.

My DH (chemist too, proper industry research manager type) and I were pondering why DD is turning to the engineering side. His theory is that it's because she wants to 'build' things. Engineers build stuff, scientists take the world apart Wink. Not necessarily entirely accurate but maybe a nice perspective. Hmm

Engineerwhy · 22/06/2015 18:43

I know quite a few engineers who do part time research on the side or publish papers and read at conferences :) there's a lot of creativity and new things happening in engineering everyday :)

drinkscabinet · 22/06/2015 19:19

Academic science is not the reason we want girls to study STEM subjects at school. STEM careers (outside academia) are better paid than average, and have better terms and conditions than average. They are good careers for women, there's a reason all the boys are encouraged to go into them. STEM subjects at school open the doors to medicine, accountancy, engineering, the chemical industry as well as 'pure' academic science. It's being numerate and creative that counts, not how blue sky your research is.

And by the way, you might think that what we do in industry doesn't count as science but disdain can work both ways. We would never rely on an academic lab to do any important analysis, they tend to design experiments badly and don't produce good quality data.

TheFallenMadonna · 22/06/2015 19:55

Nit picking over what Science is contributes to the idea that it is not for everyone. As a science teacher, I battle against the "I don't want to be a scientist si why am I doing science" thing. We keep girls interested in Science not just to get more scientists, but to get the skills needed for a wide range of careers that value them, within STEM and without.

Athenaviolet · 22/06/2015 20:05

But are stem careers well paid precisely because they aren't family friendly?

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Lweji · 22/06/2015 21:04

What I was talking about science was from this post

Tbh People's description of science careers on this thread doesn't sell it well.

Someone said 'by the time they want family friendly work they will be established' so basically they have to gamble with their fertility and wait until they are older to have a family. I dont want my dd to have to make that sacrifice.

Yes, TEM careers can be very different, but the S part is in general less stable and many people who start in S eventually move to T, or something else completely different. In science (either more or less academic) you can make it and have it "all" too, but it's not easy, and you are easily pushed out

Lweji · 22/06/2015 21:07

And it's very different to engage girls on science (or STEM subjects) and pursuing a scientific career.

What one calls nitpicking, the scientist probably calls it being precise. Maybe it's a professional thing. :)

ErrolTheDragon · 22/06/2015 21:09

Madonna is right.

A huge leak in the 'pipe' is right now when 16yos are making their A level choices. Some kids know exactly what they want to do further down the line and hopefully will have made appropriate choices. But many still aren't sure (or have a option or two spare). If you look at those lists of desirable subjects, maths and sciences are acceptable on arts courses and they keep more options open than most other things. There's probably nothing for which maths (the M we've been largely overlooking) a bad choice. Lawyer or journalist - you bloody well should get a grip on stats. Primary school teacher? Break the chain in under-confident female role models. More science literacy would surely help all those and I'm sure we could come up with lots of other examples. Oh, and I'm not sure if it's usually categorised with STEM but should be (and even more woefully underrepresented than physics for girls doing a-levels) - computer science. Women IME are good at this and if there's one profession that really lends itself to flexible hours and not being office bound it's software.

drinkscabinet · 22/06/2015 21:26

But are stem careers well paid precisely because they aren't family friendly?

No, the best paid STEM careers are not the family unfriendly academic careers with no job security but those in industry which are family friendly (in my experience).

What one calls nitpicking, the scientist probably calls it being precise. Maybe it's a professional thing.

This professional thinks you may be being precise but you're not very accurate. Ba-da-boom. You seem to think science is only the pursuit of 'worthless' knowledge and once it becomes useful knowledge it's downgraded to 'technology'. I find it hilarious that you think doing an assay to check if your chimera works as a low paid post doc on a short term contract makes you a 'scientist' but if one of my staff do the exact same assay (after starting from scratch and making a new assay that actually works developing it to make it more robust) they are a 'technician' because they have job security and are doing the assay in a professional lab in support of drug development.

Bolshybookworm · 22/06/2015 21:33

There are plenty of female friendly STEM careers, athena, they just don't include academia. In my field, Medical writing, publishing and clinical trials work are all relatively family friendly and that's reflected by the large number of women in senior positions you see in these industries. Even better is to do a medical degree and then go into research- funding bodies like you and you always have your "proper" career to fall back on as well.

I think this comes back to the ops point about making girls aware of the broad range of STEM careers available (and yes they do involve science- you test a hypothesis, you're doing science).

Lweji · 22/06/2015 22:29

Not at all. I don't equate science with lack of job security. Science is about the process.

And there is such a thing as translational science.
And there is still a lot of pressure in industry - I hear, including in this thread and not that much job security.

Athenaviolet · 22/06/2015 22:59

Bolshy- I know someone with a medicine degree who left her previous career when she had dcs. She now works in a dentists office doing Botox injections.

Does that count as a science career? It's good money and very family friendly hours!

ErrolTheDragon · 22/06/2015 23:10

It's one of the many jobs which isn't really 'doing science' for which science qualifications are necessary.

RaisingSteam · 23/06/2015 00:16

I might have made the comment about family friendly being more relevant later in your career. I only meant that a graduate making some informed choices or a strategic move after 3 or 4 years could aim for one of the more family friendly roles, of which there are lots, just not in a 7 day a week laboratory or on an oil rig or working night shifts on Crossrail. It can be quite a small move within your specialism IME.

i didn't mean wait until you are 40 and have made it before you can hope to have a family. Taking Physics and Maths A level doesn't consign you to a bitter life of missed parenthood! I started TTC at 28 the year I passed my professional exams.

MmeLindor · 23/06/2015 09:45

The discussion of 'what use is science' is an interesting one - one of the top searches to Jump! are 'What's the point in learning biology/chemistry/physics...'. I suspect that often kids are told 'You need a science subject to get into university' and not what the actual skills that they will gain will be.

Re engineering - my husband is German, and one thing that fascinates me is that he has an engineer's thinking, even though he works in finance, and has never been trained in engineering. He is brilliant at analysing a problem, and taking it to bits, then coming up with a solution.

Which is similar to what Engineerwhy said earlier.

"We take a problem, and invent new systems to solve it, based on a variety of factors including, location, speed of production, appearance, cost, efficiency etc. We research materials and new ways to use them."

I can see a clear difference to how he approaches a problem, to how his UK colleagues do the same - their solution is generally 'just get on with it', and he can't understand why they don't want to FIX it. I don't know if this is just something that he does, or if it is a German thing - it's something that I'm researching at the moment.

hortonatalie · 23/06/2015 10:43

I agree that Universities and the science system in general has a role to play. I am a female scientist, on my 8TH month of maternity leave. I have no job to go back to.... The way the research science system works is that the majority of early to mid-career scientists are on fixed term contracts, funded by grants that have finite finish periods and little flexibility. My contract ended at month 6 of maternity leave and that was that. My boss is supportive and would hire me again if he can find funding and would be flexible, but there is so little funding out there that there isn't much on the horizon. Other jobs advertised are all full time and generally you would need to move from one university to another to keep yourself in continuous employment - not very family friendly. Grants that are available for women to get back to work after children require you to be on a permanent contract at a university (!) or have been on a break for 2+ years so no help there.

In addition you need to have a long list of publications to be competitive inthe job market so a career break really affects this. I am currently trying to analyse data and write journal articles from home - unpaid, no childcare..... the university has kindly alowed me to remain on their system for library access etc. Basically they then get publications from the department which helps their ranking and they don't need to pay me..... Husband is not happy but I have no choice if I want to remain competetive.

Where I work women make up the greater percentage of PhD students and early post-doctoral researchers. There is then a sudden drop in numbers past this point - I think there is one female lecturer in my department and she doesn't have children! I thinkthat speaks for itself.

Bolshybookworm · 23/06/2015 17:17

I was in a similar situation to you horton and my boss had to fight tooth and nail to get my contract extended and the funding frozen (she managed to argue that our funders were happy to do this and pushed the uni into a corner). It's such a poor way to treat your staff- I spent my first few months of mat leave anxiously waiting to find out if I was still employed.

jump ship Horton- you're almost certainly too good for academia. I can recommend clinical research Smile

Whizzpopbangmag · 29/07/2015 11:47

I just came across this article about how gender inequality is affecting scientific research...
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/141107-gender-studies-women-scientific-research-feminist/

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