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Guest post: 10 ways to keep your daughter engaged in science

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 19/06/2015 15:46

In the wake of Tim Hunt's recent explosive comments on 'girls' in laboratories, a welcome debate about women in science has been stirred up. Currently only 7% of British engineers are female, which puts the UK at the bottom of the European gender equality tables. Britain suffers from a large shortage of engineers and scientists each year, so plugging the gap by inspiring more girls into science would seem to be the obvious solution. Unfortunately here in the UK, try as we might, we just can't seem to entice enough schoolgirls into STEM (science, technology, engineering & mathematics) subjects; something needs to change.

But the key to change can't be found with the professors and university lecturers; it can't even be found in the careers advice offices of secondary schools. It lies instead with us – the parents, caregivers and teachers of primary school age children - the people who have the most influence over the next generation.

The fact is that by the age of 10 or 11 children have already formed opinions of what they can and can't do and what subjects are or aren't appropriate for them as a girl or boy. This means that all too often girls opt to drop scientific subjects after their GCSEs, and thereby forego successful and lucrative careers in science and engineering.

It's up to us as parents to ring the changes in girls' early, formative years to help ensure that the next generation of young women grow up with the confidence they need to pursue a career in science. Here are some suggestions on how you can help your girls to flourish as scientists…

1. Start early
From the first day that they are born, girls are subjected to gender stereotyping – pink princesses, cupcakes and dolls adorn their babygrows and nursery walls. As they begin to become aware of their environment, some of the very first messages they're receiving are that girls should be interested in frilly things, domestic baking and childcare, whereas boys should be interested in machines and construction. Let's forget this crazy gender segregation of babies and instead allow children to be free to develop their own interests by exposing them to a balanced mix of images from day one.

2. Buy gender-neutral toys
Next time you buy a gift for a girl, try to think objectively about the toy that you choose. Will it be reinforcing gender stereotypes or breaking them? Here are some ideas for toys that will help encourage an interest in science and engineering from an early age:
Age 0-2: Toys that help promote co-ordination and construction are ideal at this age – for example shape sorters, Mega Bloks and even toy tools.
Age 3-5: Train sets, toy vehicles, plastic magnifying glasses and construction toys all make excellent gifts for pre-school girls.
Age 6-11: Lego, a children's microscope, a science set or a subscription to a science magazine are ideal for helping to inspire young girls.
Age 11+: Microscopes or even electrical engineering sets are excellent for budding young scientists, as well as logic puzzles like Rubik's cubes.

3. Lead by example
Try to be a visible role model by taking an interest in science in the news or in the nature you find on the walk to school. Have a go at mending the washing machine – you might surprise yourself!

4. Take things apart
When a clock, a wind-up toy or even just a retractable pen stops working, instead of throwing it away, encourage your daughter to take it to pieces. Give her a screwdriver, some pliers, whatever tools she needs to get in there. It doesn't matter if she can't mend whatever was broken or even put it back together again; she'll have learnt something about the inner workings of machines and more importantly she'll have learnt that it's fine for girls to wield tools.

5. Explore together
Listen to your daughter's ideas and explanations. Respond with sincerity to her first barrage of toddler "Why?" questions and try to take every opportunity to talk to her about how things work. Encourage her to ask questions and if you don't know the answer, don't panic! Look up the answer or encourage her to experiment to discover it for herself.

6. Let her get on with it
You probably already know that when she mixes vinegar with bicarbonate of soda she's going to create a ton of bubbles, that will likely spill out of the container, but it will be so much more exciting and memorable if she discovers it for herself. Share the message that the universe is full of undiscovered things and things that scientists don't have answers for and that's what makes science so exciting!

7. Stimulate her interest with science magazines and books
It can be tricky to find science resources and ideas for fun experiments to try at home, so make sure you have a supply of child-friendly science magazines and books to turn to. Whizz Pop Bang is a monthly magazine full of interesting articles and exciting experiments for 6-11 year olds that you can sign up for here.

8. Take trips to science museums and festivals
As well as the more obvious science museums, there are also lots of other fantastic venues for discovering science - from transport museums to zoos. Family festivals are worth investigating too, as they often have science tents full of hands-on science.

9. Get out and about
Nothing beats a real science field trip. Take a magnifying glass and a notebook to draw or write about what you find. Encourage your child to look under rocks and in crevices to find tiny bugs or fungi. Look at rock formations, search for fossils or investigate seeds and flowers.

10. Discover the universe
You can find out when the International Space station will be passing over your house here. Put out a blanket in the garden on a clear evening and lie looking up at the stars and the awe-inspiringly huge universe. When you see the space station, it will be travelling at the speed of five miles every second, orbiting the earth every 90 minutes and transporting a crew of six international astronauts, busily carrying out ground-breaking experiments in space – that should inspire even the most sceptical of girls to take an interest in science!

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bruffin · 21/06/2015 23:12

You dont need gender neutral toys to turn your dd onto science. Why cant a girl like pink and girly toys and be into stem. My dn was a very fluffy pink loving girl and was of the very few girls on her ict course. My dd is taking physics without all this gender neutral nonsense.

bruffin · 21/06/2015 23:22

DD is 17 when she was little the only girly lego was belville which was horrible and the new friends wasnt what she would have looked for either. My nieces bucket of bricks was pastals and flowers etc they didnt do that by the time dd came along. Dd liked the Harry Potter and would have liked something more with animals or flowers. They did bring out a range of houses when she was a bit older, but there was nothing really to appeal to the girly side in her until then.

drinkscabinet · 21/06/2015 23:23

There's a comment higher up about doing science related activities and how there are only so many science museums you can go to. We don't live in London but still manage to go to Science museums (LIFE in Newcastle is great), RSPB reserves, the shore (not the beach, rockpools are much more interesting and there are lots of fossils down the Yorkshire coast), forests and arboretums, zoos, transport museums (NRM in York is DS's favourite place), sealife centres, industrial heritage museums, archaeological sites, science festivals etc etc. We were at an art gallery today but did the woodland walk in their grounds and there was a lot of science being learnt as we looked for different habitats, checked out the monkey puzzle trees, and saw evidence of prehistoric humans on the landscape.

Lweji · 21/06/2015 23:28

As pointed out... not those many science museums if to make a big list you have to include lots of things that are not museums.

There are immense ways of keeping in touch with science, but there aren't those many museums.

RaisingSteam · 22/06/2015 00:59

Just because you have a STEM job they don't come and take away all your make-up and feminine clothes and make you wear overalls all day and watch football and drink beer all night. Except possibly if you are one of the oil rig crews.

icklekid · 22/06/2015 04:01

As anathema says at the start of the thread as a primary teacher I find both girls and boys equally fascinated by science at 10/11...

I am also always surprised when I read about these gender issues as I went to an all girls secondary. This totally removed any stereotyping of subjects large numbers took science, maths and it without a second thought. I can imagine that if it was mixed and thought of as a predominantly male subject it would put girls off which is such a shame. I'm grateful not to have felt such pressures.

Athenaviolet · 22/06/2015 07:45

Tbh People's description of science careers on this thread doesn't sell it well.

Someone said 'by the time they want family friendly work they will be established' so basically they have to gamble with their fertility and wait until they are older to have a family. I dont want my dd to have to make that sacrifice.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/06/2015 08:21

But that sort of gamble surely applies in many professions still.

We have a vast range of activities in our region which are STEM related. The most obvious is the huge museum of science and industry in Manchester - maybe the many visits there over the years fed DDs interest in engineering? But there are also things like Catalyst (chemistry), world of glass, eureka, loads of nature reserves/WWT and a quirky little place, the Lakeland wildlife oasis which had some good hands on stuff. And of course the garden and kitchen. Grin science and engineering are all around us, just like art.

DD had lots of Belleville Lego but also lots of plain stuff. The gendered sets (and other themed sets) can be too 'closed' but they're ok as part of a mix. She preferred knex - brilliant sets with gears and motors and one for bridge building. The 'problem' isn't that girls are given some pink Lego, it's if that's all they have.

sallyaberdeen1981 · 22/06/2015 11:05

Suze Kundu wrote this about being a scientist and having the gall to be a woman too. It's really good. standardissuemagazine.com/voices/distractinglysexy/

Lweji · 22/06/2015 11:42

Someone said 'by the time they want family friendly work they will be established' so basically they have to gamble with their fertility and wait until they are older to have a family. I dont want my dd to have to make that sacrifice.

It's not necessarily like that, but it is common, and common of many other careers where you want to get to the top.

SirChenjin · 22/06/2015 11:59

Are we trying to get more women to the top in science though - or simply encoraging more women to enter the field and opening up opportunities at all levels?

Engineerwhy · 22/06/2015 12:16

I'm an Engineer, and my current mindset is why would ANYONE want to be an Engineer?
Engineers get no recognition from the public, or a look of disdain ( Engineer = plumber)
For the amount of responsibility involved in the work, and the amount of studying required, the pay is low and in London, there are a lot of jobs which require a lot less studying and technical knowledge paid much more. (also stems from the fact that engineer do not have any standing in society, and it is not a protected title).

Saying all of that, I have never had an issue with being female on site or in meetings. If someone has a calling for it, they would do well from a personal development point of view.

SirChenjin · 22/06/2015 12:38

I don't agree with that. We have a number of friends who are graduate engineers from the various disciplines - they are very proud of their professions and certainly don't feel as if anyone looks down on them Confused
Some of them do envy the salaries of plumbers though Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 22/06/2015 12:46

We import too much from Germany but one thing we really could do with importing from them is their high esteem for engineers. We aren't going to regrow a high tech manufacturing base without them.

Athenaviolet · 22/06/2015 12:49

Are we trying to get more women to the top in science though - or simply encoraging more women to enter the field and opening up opportunities at all levels?

Yes this is what I'm thinking. The thread has veered from 'getting girls into any stem job' to 'getting to the top'.

My dd just doesn't appear to have that temperament for that kind of all or nothing career path. She does like science and wants to be 'a scientist' though.

So what are her options?

Everyone seems to have anecdotes about what field not to go into but there are few suggestions of alternatives?

What about community pharmacists? There are lots of them. Is that a good job with a good work/life balance and job security?

IceBeing · 22/06/2015 14:39

anathema I had two thoughts about your year 9 cut off problem...

One is that while the barrage of advertising telling girls they need to care about their appearance primarily starts from age zero, they may only really start to identify with the need to be good looking when they hit around year 9.

I would very much challenge bruffins comments about not needing gender neutrality of toys because of this. Back to back adverts in between kids TV often tend to be first an 'Everyone wants to look their best for the ball' job involving two girls dressed up as princesses playing with plastic princess tat followed by 'Who's got the most POWER' an advert with two boys in it either racing cars or shooting each other with Nerf guns.

Maybe the impact of this doesn't happen at age 4-11 when they are most exposed but at age 13-14 when they really start to think I am a girl and therefore my most important attribute is appearance.

In this sense being a scientist is actually contradictory with being a beautiful princess! Because you either value your appearance most highly or your intelligence.

The second thing it the curse of 'talent'. In our society we value talent. This seems to mostly boil down to believing it is very important how quickly you pick up something new rather than an emphasis on how good you got in the end, or how deeply you got it. Fast bold and even potentially wrong is better than slow cautious and correct.

Cultures that don't have this over emphasis of 'talent' and value work and tenacity more highly seem to produce more gender balance in STEM (eg. India)

I wonder if year 9 is the point at which students start to notice who is getting things fastest...or if they pick things up faster in one area than another...or if they correctly identify that while hard work and knowledge building is valued in biology, it is quickness of grasping concepts that is valued in physics, chemistry.

Physics has fewer facts that are rather harder to internalize. We need to be massively careful that we don't give people the impression that understanding physics is a binary function and that it is (like biology) something where you can work slowly to build up and understanding.

Lweji · 22/06/2015 15:28

Once you enter science you are pretty much going for the top, or at least an established post, which is often hard to get.

You could be a technician, which is fine.
But when you are a "scientist" there is pressure to progress or you'll find yourself booted out. Your salary becomes too high, and it's not easy to survive on project to project salaries, when there are PhD students or young Post-Docs going cheaper and often without families.

Can't speak for engineering or applied STEM areas.

SirChenjin · 22/06/2015 16:07

In which case I think that's part of the problem and we need to define what we mean by 'scientist' (which is a very wide catch all term anyway). If becoming a scientist means that you have to aim for the top or be booted out of a job - well, there's the answer to the OP right there. Hardly an attractive option to a wide range of women.

Lweji · 22/06/2015 16:12

Well, yes. And why many women end up leaving between entry level and the top positions.

SirChenjin · 22/06/2015 16:16

So two issues to address there - attracting girls into a career in 'science' and retaining them - although Im concerned that we're focusing on academia as opposed to industry or the NHS. The NHS certainly doesn't have that progress or leave mentality for example, thankfully.

Lweji · 22/06/2015 16:22

The NHS doesn't do "science".

It's health and a different thing, although there may be some medical research at hospitals.

Industry can do science, but if we are talking about production, then it's just technical.

Science is a mindset. It's about experimenting, testing, exploring. Not just

Technology and engineering is rarely science. It's mostly applied, and thus technical.

SirChenjin · 22/06/2015 16:27

That's a very narrow view of science - no wonder so few girls and women go into it.

I would suggest that science is much more than that. Biomechanics, phsrmacology, forensic lab work, research and so on and on all support the NHS. Industry has vast opportunities for women to go into science. Let's think creatively as opposed to limiting the options for the next generation.

Micah · 22/06/2015 16:36

The nhs certainly does do science.

Many hospitals also have research labs, and/or collaborate with clinical trials.

I do lay part of the blame on the medical research charities. They are big businesses now. If they funded labs for 10-20 years rather than the current 3-5, there'd be a lot more job security. I'm sure they can afford to pay their funded staff wages rather than pitiful "stipends"

There is a mentality that scientists in medical research are in it mainly for altruistic reasons, rather than career or finance.

Engineerwhy · 22/06/2015 16:37

Technology and engineering is rarely science. It's mostly applied, and thus technical.

There are lot of engineering careers which are definitely sciences. You do realise that a lot of engineers spend their lives in an office and have never held a spanner?

We take a problem, and invent new systems to solve it, based on a variety of factors including, location, speed of production, appearance, cost, efficiency etc. We research materials and new ways to use them.

Your comment proves my point from earlier, Engineers get no respect for their work, why would you push your daughters to do it.

Orrery · 22/06/2015 16:40

Yes, what Lewji said - you can't NOT progress, there is no job security for scientists below the pay grade of 'Lecturer/Fellow/Senior Researcher' in the University system - it's all 1-3 year research contracts. Exciting at first, really frustrating after a few years when you are trying to move on with your personal life.

I would not advocate a traditional scientific academic career to young people at the moment - too many PhDs spending increasing amounts of time competing for smaller and smaller pots of money to stay employed.