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MumsnetGuestPosts · 19/06/2015 15:46

In the wake of Tim Hunt's recent explosive comments on 'girls' in laboratories, a welcome debate about women in science has been stirred up. Currently only 7% of British engineers are female, which puts the UK at the bottom of the European gender equality tables. Britain suffers from a large shortage of engineers and scientists each year, so plugging the gap by inspiring more girls into science would seem to be the obvious solution. Unfortunately here in the UK, try as we might, we just can't seem to entice enough schoolgirls into STEM (science, technology, engineering & mathematics) subjects; something needs to change.

But the key to change can't be found with the professors and university lecturers; it can't even be found in the careers advice offices of secondary schools. It lies instead with us – the parents, caregivers and teachers of primary school age children - the people who have the most influence over the next generation.

The fact is that by the age of 10 or 11 children have already formed opinions of what they can and can't do and what subjects are or aren't appropriate for them as a girl or boy. This means that all too often girls opt to drop scientific subjects after their GCSEs, and thereby forego successful and lucrative careers in science and engineering.

It's up to us as parents to ring the changes in girls' early, formative years to help ensure that the next generation of young women grow up with the confidence they need to pursue a career in science. Here are some suggestions on how you can help your girls to flourish as scientists…

1. Start early
From the first day that they are born, girls are subjected to gender stereotyping – pink princesses, cupcakes and dolls adorn their babygrows and nursery walls. As they begin to become aware of their environment, some of the very first messages they're receiving are that girls should be interested in frilly things, domestic baking and childcare, whereas boys should be interested in machines and construction. Let's forget this crazy gender segregation of babies and instead allow children to be free to develop their own interests by exposing them to a balanced mix of images from day one.

2. Buy gender-neutral toys
Next time you buy a gift for a girl, try to think objectively about the toy that you choose. Will it be reinforcing gender stereotypes or breaking them? Here are some ideas for toys that will help encourage an interest in science and engineering from an early age:
Age 0-2: Toys that help promote co-ordination and construction are ideal at this age – for example shape sorters, Mega Bloks and even toy tools.
Age 3-5: Train sets, toy vehicles, plastic magnifying glasses and construction toys all make excellent gifts for pre-school girls.
Age 6-11: Lego, a children's microscope, a science set or a subscription to a science magazine are ideal for helping to inspire young girls.
Age 11+: Microscopes or even electrical engineering sets are excellent for budding young scientists, as well as logic puzzles like Rubik's cubes.

3. Lead by example
Try to be a visible role model by taking an interest in science in the news or in the nature you find on the walk to school. Have a go at mending the washing machine – you might surprise yourself!

4. Take things apart
When a clock, a wind-up toy or even just a retractable pen stops working, instead of throwing it away, encourage your daughter to take it to pieces. Give her a screwdriver, some pliers, whatever tools she needs to get in there. It doesn't matter if she can't mend whatever was broken or even put it back together again; she'll have learnt something about the inner workings of machines and more importantly she'll have learnt that it's fine for girls to wield tools.

5. Explore together
Listen to your daughter's ideas and explanations. Respond with sincerity to her first barrage of toddler "Why?" questions and try to take every opportunity to talk to her about how things work. Encourage her to ask questions and if you don't know the answer, don't panic! Look up the answer or encourage her to experiment to discover it for herself.

6. Let her get on with it
You probably already know that when she mixes vinegar with bicarbonate of soda she's going to create a ton of bubbles, that will likely spill out of the container, but it will be so much more exciting and memorable if she discovers it for herself. Share the message that the universe is full of undiscovered things and things that scientists don't have answers for and that's what makes science so exciting!

7. Stimulate her interest with science magazines and books
It can be tricky to find science resources and ideas for fun experiments to try at home, so make sure you have a supply of child-friendly science magazines and books to turn to. Whizz Pop Bang is a monthly magazine full of interesting articles and exciting experiments for 6-11 year olds that you can sign up for here.

8. Take trips to science museums and festivals
As well as the more obvious science museums, there are also lots of other fantastic venues for discovering science - from transport museums to zoos. Family festivals are worth investigating too, as they often have science tents full of hands-on science.

9. Get out and about
Nothing beats a real science field trip. Take a magnifying glass and a notebook to draw or write about what you find. Encourage your child to look under rocks and in crevices to find tiny bugs or fungi. Look at rock formations, search for fossils or investigate seeds and flowers.

10. Discover the universe
You can find out when the International Space station will be passing over your house here. Put out a blanket in the garden on a clear evening and lie looking up at the stars and the awe-inspiringly huge universe. When you see the space station, it will be travelling at the speed of five miles every second, orbiting the earth every 90 minutes and transporting a crew of six international astronauts, busily carrying out ground-breaking experiments in space – that should inspire even the most sceptical of girls to take an interest in science!

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AnathemaPratchett · 19/06/2015 22:57

Errol. Yes it's well known that single sex education is better for girls in sciences - but has no affect on boys I believe

CaurnieBred · 19/06/2015 23:12

If you are in London, sign up for the family events at the Royal Institution. I am far from being a scientist but am trying my best to encourage an interest in DD so take her along to these.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/06/2015 23:27

I've just been reading that report linked below - very interesting, thank you.
It's true about the ignorance relating to engineering careers - although that was particularly mentioned in the OP, most of us discussing this (I believe) know more about science and academic science at that. There's so many branches of engineering that DH and I are having a bit of an education ourselves trying to help DD starting to navigate universities and their courses.

BackforGood · 19/06/2015 23:59

Yes it's well known that single sex education is better for girls in sciences

Interesting opinion. My dd goes to an all girls school, but has had no support in finding out anything about engineering options, despite that being where her interest lies. Any help we've had, has come from helpful posters on MN.

AnathemaPratchett · 20/06/2015 00:23

It's not an opinion - lots of research all saying the same thing. However that's in general. A single sample may be different to the trend

madwomanbackintheattic · 20/06/2015 02:07

Why is that all these guest blog posts only ever fetch up when they have something to advertise?

I don't mind Jenny Inglis coming on here and asking for support for her new science mag venture (I welcome it) but to be absolutely clear, it irritates the fuck out out of me when it's done under the guise of a pseudo blog post.

Fgs Jenny, we aren't stupid.

Just post asking us to sign up for the damned thing, or to support your kick starter venture.

Whine whine grumble moan.

And as I'm out of the age market for the damned mag, she won't be interested anyway, but both of my girls are science mad. At 15, Dd1 is traveling to Boston in September for a synthetic biology jamboree where they have developed a keratinase to break down industry waste. The 11yo has memorized her damned periodic table shower curtain (thank you BBT).

Round here it's cool to be a nerd.

VenusRising · 20/06/2015 03:59

Hear hear Micah the pay is SHIT IN SCIENCE, and on top of that you have no job security, and more often than not socially inept men for company.

Funny how we don't have to encourage girls into accountancy, medicine or economics eh? Because the work conditions, career path and pay is much better!

Pay scientists decently and give them job security, and you'll have no trouble encouraging girls to study science. and that's all you have to do!

NorahDentressangle · 20/06/2015 06:52

My DS is an engineer and works in the North Sea on boats supporting rigs. So imagine days/weeks cooped up, often in bad weather, with 24 hour coverage.
I asked how the female graduates or engineers are treated. Apparently like princesses (bit of an exaggeration) - I'd imagined a bit of sexism at least but girls are a novelty, everyone falls over themselves to be helpful and nice!
He knows quite a few female engineers - I don't want to give the impression there are very few. But I suspect there are few older women doing his job as you can be away for days or weeks at a time.

SpaghettiMeatballs · 20/06/2015 06:58

DH is an engineer and he is well paid but I am struck by how dreadful his company are at having any sort of family friendly policy to the point where my own career choices have been limited. He goes away for weeks with very little notice.

There are women who work in engineering roles in his company but there has never been a woman in his department. Ever. That is shocking to me and I can't understand any his company don't do something to promote more gender equality. Possibly it suits them?

I did maths and physics at A-Level so I'd like to think DH and I will encourage DD and DS (they are 3 and 1) to have an interest in STEM careers but I honestly can't recommend any sort of heavy industry if you want family friendly policies. These type of roles often attract the highest rewards too.

Your magazine sounds great. Hope it gets off the ground as I'm sure DD would like it when she is older.

drinkscabinet · 20/06/2015 07:57

the pay is SHIT IN SCIENCE, and on top of that you have no job security, and more often than not socially inept men for company.

This is only true for academic science. I work in the Pharmaceutical Industry. Many of my colleagues have worked for the company pretty much their entire career, I can easily see myself here until retirement. I am a higher rate tax payer, I work part time as do many of my colleagues (including the men), I have great terms and conditions. We employ biologists, chemists and engineers and have about 50:50 male:female up to mid-management where the number of women drop off.

My tip to keep your daughters interested in science is, as Billie Jean King said 'you've got to see it to be it'. Girls won't become scientists unless they see female role models. Talk to your daughters about female scientists, if they have to do a project on a scientist make sure its a woman (and go beyond Marie Curie, use the power of Google), watch programmes about science presented by women (the last two RI Christmas lectures were given by women so I think they are working on balancing the last 200 years of male talkers Smile).

Bolshybookworm · 20/06/2015 08:26

It's written by a man, but I highly recommend Uncle Tungsten by Oliver Sacks to all a-level students interested in science. It's a biography of his early years (he was obsessed with chemistry) with really good chapter on Marie Curie in it. It's one of my favourite popular science books.

The problem with the pharmaceutical industry drinkscabinet is that it has vanished from most of the country over the last decade. When I finished my phd, I fully intended to go into industry after my first post doc. However, by the time I had finished it, the biggest industry site north of Cambridge had been shut down and the next one was winding down. Nowadays, most pharma seems to be in the SE which we've been shut out of by the house price crash in our area.

Bonsoir · 20/06/2015 08:32

There is undoubtedly a real life:work issue in some career paths in engineering. I am not going to encourage a daughter of mine on a career path which involves long stints away from home in difficult material conditions - she wouldn't thank me for it.

Bolshybookworm · 20/06/2015 08:33

Saying that, my friends in Pharma love it. The big pharmaceutical companies, in particular, seem to be very supportive employers.

ragged · 20/06/2015 08:41

I disagree that there is some sort of dichotomy between "pink/princess" and "science". Girls can have and do both.

This. ^
I've said it before, the problem isn't girls who don't identify with science, it's boys who don't identify with non-science. When boys are as keen to do 'female' careers, then we'll see a lot more gender balance.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 20/06/2015 09:38

Interesting post. DH and I are both scientists, we have both had 25 year + careeres in chemistry, mine entirely privste sector, DH private sector for 20+ years. So we have always just done all these things naturally, science is a way of life in our house. However, DS (11) and DD (9) consistently cite science as their least favourite school subject, so I think something is going wrong somewhere.

As for family friendly careers, I currently have two fantastically family friendly part time jobs in science, total flexibility, good pay (would be higher rate tax in each individually if full time) etc, etc. These are in small private businesses. I spent 10 years in big pharma though which were shocking, the experience and knowledge gained there was incredible, but it was anything but family friendly, with an incredibly stressful culture. I also agree it's disappearing fast in the UK. I don't have strong feelings about encouraging my DCs into science, I'd love it if that's that's what they end up doing, but at the moment it looks unlikely.

Finally I agree that a bigger problem is emcouraging boys into "women's" careers.

Lweji · 20/06/2015 09:51

I think there is a lot more about having an interest in science than taking up scientific careers or even taking up science subjects.

I'd hope that my son at least has contact with different areas and develops interests in different subjects, arts and science.
And I think it's important that most people get a scientific education and keep an interest throughout life, as many people misunderstand science with consequences in real life (e.g. vaccines, homeopathy, creationism etc).

A career in science is different, but the key issue for me is at career level more than at accessing courses. Career progression should become more and more an equal playing field between men and women and seeing women at key positions and in all fields will show girls that it's also natural for them to work in that area.

And, btw, engineering is not exactly the same thing as science. Wink

BackforGood · 20/06/2015 10:02

Not necessarily "going wrong" Whoknows - maybe just interested in / prefer other subjects.

I have a ds and 2 dds. I've always supported them taking an interest in whatever areas / subjects / hobbies take their interest. They've all been exposed to as many opportunities as we've been able to support. Some dc have a natural flare towards visual arts, or music, or MFLs or sports. Science being your least favourite subject doesn't automatically equate to something going wrong somewhere, might just mean it's not their 'thing'.

YesThisIsMe · 20/06/2015 10:23

Feeling the need to share the academic catchphrase
"A PhD is someone who forgoes current income in order to forgo future income." I saw a horrific article about the financial costs of going into academic research (in the US) which I'll try to find. However the skills learned in a good BSc are hugely valuable in the "real world" and I'd always encourage anyone who can hack it to do A level maths.

I look forward to seeing all the other London geek parents at the Royal Society in a fortnight.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 20/06/2015 10:25

I disagree. In our case it isn't just a preference for other subjects (one loves arts, one loves geography) but an active dislike of school science. If they've been brought up immersed in science (but we have never forced it down their throats) yet school science is turning them off to the degree it has then I think something has gone a litte wrong. Not saying they should have a definite preference for it, neither DH or I come from remotely scientific backgrounds, but the fact that they actively hate it at their ages is sad.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 20/06/2015 10:29

In case that makes it sound as though we spend all our spare time in science museums, we don't. We actively encourage the arts, sports and stuff the DCs love. We have long since stopped suggesting science museums for a dsy out because they are not interested. It's fine not to do what your parents did. All I'm saying is you can do all this stuff and still end up with science-haters.

drinkscabinet · 20/06/2015 10:30

Nowadays, most pharma seems to be in the SE which we've been shut out of by the house price crash in our area.

I'm in the NE where 1/3 of the UK pharma industry is based. There has been consolidation of the large pharma but we still have the most vibrant pharma industry outside of America.

Lweji · 20/06/2015 10:42

There are only so many science museums you can go to. (although I'd happily visit the NHM every year...)

I don't know how science is taught at your DC's school, but my experience is often of memorising stuff and maybe some basic experiences.

My son often goes to work with me but has shown very little interest, although he thought it was a good idea to become a polar scientist after attending a conference aimed at the public.
He is still young, so, who knows?

I have always taken an interest on scientific matters, and decided on biology fairly early on, after wanting to be an astronaut. My mother, if anything, exposed us more to history (which I like, but not to work on). I just loved tv programmes about nature and was keen on reading about science. Not my sister. And my brother wanted medicine from early on too.

So, at best we can only support our children's interests and reassure them that they can and should go for whatever they want to. Give them or help them get the tools they need to. And that any choice is valid.

Bolshybookworm · 20/06/2015 11:19

You must definitely be in a different field to me then drinks! I scoured the midlands/North for Pharma jobs when I finished my post doc and there was very little outside of sales/medical writing (all based in Manchester) /CRO. No research jobs at all and masses of competition from the 1000 people that Astra Zeneca made redundant. I'm a developmental biologist, so not massively desirable but DH is a pharmacologist and couldn't get anything either. Even the post docs he went for, there would be 3 people from AZ competing with him.

Maybe you can point me in the right direction, the only big Pharma I know of round here is Covance. Genuinely interested!

Viviennemary · 20/06/2015 11:39

I'm not sure if you can really. I loathed science at school and was hopeless at it and certainly didn't even give a thought to giving DD encouragement. But she loved it and was good at it.

Micah · 20/06/2015 12:27

A friend of mine graduated about 5 years ago. BSC (hons) 2.1.

Not looking for anything major, just basic lab jobs -technician, lab assistant, ground level. She was up against people with phD's, a couple with degrees in medicine. Funnily enough after a year of trying, volunteering in labs etc, she gave up, started temping, and ended up in management.

For pharma I'd need to relocate. Because my field is relatively niche I'm expected to start at the beginning, so am competing against youngsters who have no family commitments and can do all the hours. Even medical writing they want 6m experience. I cannot do the hours, so I don't get the job.

O/p I'm not an engineer. Funnily enough, even though you say engineers are highly paid, the fact that I'm not an engineer excludes me from those jobs and leaves me with the science ones.