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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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morethanpotatoprints · 03/03/2014 18:15

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All the places as far as I can remember and ours seem to have quite a lot of claimants, I wonder why they say they are low percentages.
They all have areas of high deprivation, ours does in particular.

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TheHoneyBadger · 03/03/2014 20:13

chunderella interesting thread thanks for the link. i'm pretty worried myself as i've been signed off sick by GP. i took this job knowing it was probably going to be a bad idea for my health but i was being made redundant from my previous job that i liked due to funding cuts and i was terrified of negotiating the benefits system and ending up being sent on bloody welfare stacking shelves rather than having the time to find another job.

i don't know what will happen. the post was a fixed term contract to september which they were keen to switch to permanent once they'd resolved which long term sick staff weren't coming and whether or not the maternity leave person was actually going to end up going part time etc. now that i've been off ill they won't be obviously.

i see my doctor on wednesday and i presume she'll want to keep me signed off given the symptoms i'm still having and the reality of the working conditions. presumably if i can't go back i have to claim esa only to be told i'm fit for work despite having lost a job through illness and be sent to stack shelves in poundland for the equivalent of jsa whilst my son gets stuck in childcare to be paid for by the taxpayer through tax credits? can you even get 'working tax credits' and the childcare element if you are in fact on unemployment benefits? Confused

and no offence but what good does it achieve anyone to screw my child over and have a post grad educated woman stacking shelves to 'punish' her for not being well enough to work for a while and inevitably in all likelihood destroy my health, my motivation and my desire to be any part of this society?

it is a baffling system. UC or not times are going to be nightmarish and utterly lacking in logic. the worst bit of UC is that you won't be able to start a business because unless that business is immediately turning over the equivalent of full time minimum wage in profit you will be sanctioned and forced to find work or do that free shelf stacking.

TheHoneyBadger · 03/03/2014 20:18

oh and i know it's unpopular on mn but i agree with the idea on there, and have said it myself for a long time, that there should be a children element to tax credits and not the per child massively escalating amount people can end up with. i would set it at about 75% of what you currently get for two children for everyone regardless of the number of children.

currently to be honest if my mind worked that way my best bet right now in terms of money and protecting myself from being forced into poundland workfare and my child into whatever childcare place could be found would be to go get myself pregnant. fortunately i'm of the type to know that you can't just 'have a baby' to shield yourself from the world as a child deserves to come into the world for more than that. the decision is totally encouraged by the way things stand though currently and that does need addressing.

TheHoneyBadger · 03/03/2014 20:23

you know what i would also do is make it possible for people to collaborate more easily - re: if a non working single mother moves another single mother and her child into her home she loses her entitlement to hb and the other woman isn't entitled either which is madness when you consider that the two women living together would cost them half what it costs to pay their rent living separately Confused that seems like madness. once they are living together not only is the cost of their housing cheaper to the state but they are in a far better position to be able to do part time jobs around one another whilst the children are cared for by the other.

i'm not talking about making people live together but not penalising them if they do given it saves money and improves prospects for working and for the children's quality of life potentially.

morethanpotatoprints · 03/03/2014 21:33

Chunderella

They are wealthy areas, not like us and the others I was told about.
I think we were part of pathfinder not the trials Tameside, Salford, Wigan, Sefton?

LauraBridges · 04/03/2014 10:42

HoneyH, that's a good idea. There are more 2 beds in social housing than 1. if we changed the rules to say two women with baby will be housed in 2 bed flats together not only does that save the state money but it also means those women have more support - their flat mate. Most of us with 20 something children who work know those children share a flat and rent a room or half a room from friends. No reason state provision should be more generous.

TheHoneyBadger · 04/03/2014 10:48

if it's a choice mind laura - don't want people to be forced to live with strangers. but having a way to be allowed to apply for housing with a friend, or deal with the 'extra bedroom' issue by a friend moving in would be good and only to the states advantage.

TheHoneyBadger · 04/03/2014 10:49

especially because we're talking about families with children here - not adult students and the like. there is no way on earth i would want to be forced to expose my child to the risk of living with any old stranger the state decides i have to be forced to live with.

TheHoneyBadger · 04/03/2014 10:50

and let's be clear that a woman and her child/children IS a family, with the same rights as any other family. they are not a person who happens to have a child in tow. they and their child/ren are a family.

Bonsoir · 04/03/2014 10:53

Hmm. People are "forced to live with strangers" in all sorts of circumstances - we all think it's quite normal for 18 and 19 year olds at university to live in very close proximity with strangers and to pay a lot of money to do so.

merrymouse · 04/03/2014 10:57

From what I remember, I lived in halls with other 18 and 19 year old students and then I house shared with students I had known for a year - has it changed a lot since then?

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TheHoneyBadger · 04/03/2014 12:41

not small children and families though bonsoir. you do see the difference between a single parent family and a 19 yo student right?

Bonsoir · 04/03/2014 13:15

I don't think there is a lot of difference, personally.

merrymouse · 04/03/2014 13:29

Ah house sharing and student days… The discussions about whether or not it was acceptable to bring strangers (albeit usually student strangers) back from the pub… the in retrospect highly dodgy people we used to hang out with…the arguments… the mid-term movings in and out…the parties…the strange things in the fridge…

I did have a friend with a house rabbit that seemed to survive fairly well. Not sure the same would apply to a child.

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TheHoneyBadger · 04/03/2014 15:46

right - so in your mind a woman and her children does not equate to a family or something? or an adult woman with children is relegated to student status for you? i'm lost.

would you want a stranger living in the house that your children live in? you'd sleep safe and sound knowing a stranger was in the house with your child? and you wouldn't mind if they were a prostitute say or a drug user or swore their head off, or brought back boyfriends who creeped you out or left sharp implements lying around when your baby was at the crawling stage?

TheHoneyBadger · 04/03/2014 15:50

what if they believed in smacking? what if they smoked like a chimney? or how about if they just chose not to pay their share of the rent leaving your child at risk of homelessness? what if they constantly left the front door open or left half empty cans of lager for your child to explore? or if they tended to punch things when they lost their temper?

it's not quite as easy to move out or go back to mum and dad's when you're a woman in your 30's with children. nor is it viable to just lock your bedroom door and stay in there till the end of term.

LauraBridges · 04/03/2014 18:18

Beggars can't be choosers. If they are going to have children in circumstances which mean they want hard working pay payers who are often single mothers to pay them not to work then I don't see why they shouldn't flat share and be forced to just like lots of people their age are. A baby should not be a ticket to better provision than most young people that age have. Better for baby to be in a 2 bed flat with 2 adults and another baby in it anyway than cooped up just with mother with baby.

Bonsoir · 04/03/2014 18:19

Exactly, LauraBridges.

merrymouse · 04/03/2014 18:28

While I can't help thinking that both Laura and bonsoir would have any drug dealing layabouts packed off to work and possibly playing hockey before they knew what had happened, I'm not sure the random stranger house share programme is workable as social policy.

(Although the reality is that plenty of children do share accommodation with unsuitable people now and it doesn't do them any good).

Chunderella · 04/03/2014 18:31

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Bonsoir · 04/03/2014 18:32

Being a young single mother is hard. Why would it be harder to share a flat with another young single mother? I would have thought that two adults together might do a much better job of organising their lives than one on her own.