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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:23

an ex and i bought a house for £37k in 1995 - if we'd have stayed together then yes we could live alright on low wages due to the sheer luck of being in a position to buy when people were utterly desperate to sell and could have paid off the mortgage by now.

it was a very brief moment in time though and i think more people were shafted by it than gained from it.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:25

still offred you seem to be proving the exception to that as somehow you're being able to choose not to work with four kids to support and to a degree. tbf you perhaps have things to be grateful for.

Offred · 02/03/2014 17:27

Have you read anything I've said at all? I've frequently said I want to be at work but have been prevented from that by my xh not allowing it, domestic violence and now by having to do unpaid work in preparation for my paid career. I'm not sure why you're getting so personal with me tbh. It would help if you'd read the things I'd written, this is the second time it's been obvious you haven't.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 17:35

TheHoneyBadger*

there are houses for sale in our area exactly the same price as we started off with. We also paid mortgage at 15% so I think its about equal tbh.
The main difference is needing a higher % of deposit but if couples are prepared to sleep on friends floors like we did they could soon save deposit. My ds1 in staying with his gf family so they can afford deposit he is 22 and they will have the money soon.

scottishmummy · 02/03/2014 17:36

Keep up,it's featured in mn home page in bold it says Louise Dillon navigates the guilt and the stigmas mn emphasised it in bold
Read the op blog.guilt is discussed.its a near default on any working parent/housewife blog
Lose the Hmmface and perhaps ponder why does mnhq think this is fraught with stigma and guilt

Offred · 02/03/2014 17:36

Honestly, I think you are incredibly rude and self absorbed. What you've said to me is unforgiveable and it's the same logic behind the penalisation of single mothers that you are banging your drum about - this crap about bad choices and personal responsibility.

By your own logic your 'bad choice' in having a baby with a man who fucked off or who you fucked off should mean you have to be punished for the rest of your child's life at least right? No, so why are you attacking me with the same arguments and why are you pushing your prejudice on me without even reading my posts?

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 17:43

Offred

I totally agree choice should not be a privilege.
So many people believe this though, it makes me Sad
Some people can't see how somebody would rather sah than go to work and pay somebody else to look after their children while they work.

If I don't work I can look after my own dc. Its hardly rocket science.

If you want to work then you choose to work, if you want childcare you choose it.

scottishmummy · 02/03/2014 17:48

You're completely back peddling,mind for skid marks morethan
On thread you've said that you don't think any woman should be encouraged into work when she has had children. Supported if this is her decision but not considered as the norm

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:52

offred what disgusting thing have i said to you?

are you really unable to see that actually as a mother of 4 with no income you're lucky to be able to do a degree? i didn't see you shouldn't be able to or much of what you've accused me of.

i just think when we're telling ourselves how hard done by we are (all of us i mean) it's worth remembering what is fortunate.

you're not with either of those men who didn't 'let' you work now and currently you've made the choice not to work but to pursue studies for a future career. you are surely able to see there are good things about that and compared to most women worldwide that is a very fortunate position to be in?

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:53

though yes i do think that complaining that at the same time as that privilege you don't get childcare paid for for you as well is taking the piss the a bit! you know - know when you've got it good.

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 18:01

It might be nice if everybody got to decide whether they wanted to stay at home and look after their children or earn an income, but I can't think of a situation where parents would be able to ignore economic forces to this extent - does this exist anywhere on earth?

scottishmummy · 02/03/2014 18:05

But I got to decide,I chose work.We'd not be in penury if I didn't work
As I said that was always the plan,knew I would
I was compelled,I didn't sob my way back to work. I happily returned

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 18:09

just re-reading your attack and i really can't agree with it. i've never said you should be punished.

and my 'bad choice' as you call it wasn't a choice to have a 'with a man' it was a choice to keep a child. i chose effectively not to terminate an unplanned baby at 30 years of age but to keep it and deal with the consequences. i don't blame any of that on the man that 'fucked off' as you put it. nor do i see myself as a victim of that. i do feel the right to complain about a system that works against me or attempts to discriminate against me because my family doesn't fit the social engineering mold they'd like to see BUT i chose to keep my child and go down this path.

i have to juggle supporting us, educating my son, holding my head high etc IN this imperfect system and some elements of it are hard - not because i'm a poor victim but because i live in a system that was designed to serve married men, not women and certainly not women who weren't married and most definitely absolutely not women who had the audacity not to have an abortion or give their child away if they fell pregnant.

my political view is that society should serve it's citizens re: if 25% of families are lone parents then society should strive to function in ways that allows those families to function and get by NOT to try and make them poor as possible to deter others from going down that path and NOT to see it as their role to dictate that we should go back to 1950. my view is taxpayers and the sick and disabled and those with young or sick dependents to care for should be supported in doing so. i am not AT ALL about punishing people.

however if you're expecting society to be able to pay for your rent, food, clothes etc etc AND to throw in free childcare on top whilst you choose not to work so you can study as a grown mother of four then yes i think you're expecting a bit much personally. i also believe we do have to 'own' our own lives and choices. you have no idea of what horrible things i might have been through in the past.

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 18:09

Woohoo, scottish and morethan have something in common! Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 18:14

i missed out the word 'baby' in my second paragraph -should have read i didn't chose to have a 'baby' with a man. i chose to go through with a pregnancy and be a mother because i wanted to. i have never, ever regretted that.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 18:14

ScottishMummy

Yes, what's wrong with that? Why should people be encouraged to do what they don't want to do. Look at the post, I think I also mention compulsory encouraging.
I think guilt is only applicable when someone is forced into working if they'd rather be a sahp, or sahp if they'd rather work. If you have decided to sah or woh why would you feel guilty with free choice.
There are people who ask if I feel guilty not being a product of employment. Do I hell as like as I made a choice of free will.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 18:14

yes merry - they're happy with their choices and they were able to make the choices they wanted Smile

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 18:17

personally i'd choose to be financially independent with a ton of land and a huge muddy room at the back full of wellies and dog leads and coats and hats that led into my informal kitchen with a big open fire with high backed armchairs by it and a bottle of port on the mantelpiece.

sadly my choice is not so attainable Grin

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 18:17

merrymouse

What is the common ground, I think I must have missed it.

Scottish does your dd play a violin by any chance Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 18:18

can i link some awesome violin? listened to the most amazing piece earlier.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 18:19

Oh, I see now. Yes we both are happy with our choices.

It doesn't seem fair that some/many people don't get these choices I do appreciate what I have and agree that we were lucky to be starting out at what now seems like a good time.

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 18:21

Yes, that is what I meant!

LauraBridges · 02/03/2014 18:21

"why does mnhq think this is fraught with stigma and guilt"

Indeed. Loads of women who work full time and have good careers and are feminists have no guilt at all. I was on Radio 4 this week on this topic and I said I don't feel guilt. You only feel guilt if you buy into the sexist conspiracy that children do better with a mother at home. If you know that is simply untrue then you don't feel guilt and you work and everyone is fine.
The HB, isn't it attainable? Could you not earn the money to buy the big house, save up enough to live off etc? Some women manage that. It is practical advice from high earning women to lower earning ones which can inspire those others and help them achieve the lives others manage. There are practical things teenage girls and young women can do to achieve their life aims.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 18:21

TheHoneyBadger

Yes please, it may stop her scrawping for a while. Grin
She still seeks world domination, although as a grade 4 player she's not exactly world class atm

wordfactory · 02/03/2014 18:24

I think the trouble is that society expects women to feel guilty about working, in a way that it does not expect of men.

No one has ever expected my DH to feel conflicted. In fact he's often lauded as 'a great Dad' despite having a full on career!!

It's sexism pure and simple and of course a self fulfilling prophesy. Once people keep asking if you feel bad or how you do it, you start to question if you should...