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Why I wear the niqab

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MumsnetGuestBlogs · 16/10/2013 10:58

The common impression that people have about women who wear the niqab is that they are forced to do so by their spouses or society, and are therefore oppressed. They are also believed to be uneducated, passive - kept behind closed doors, and not integrated within British society.

These negative prejudices are just that, though they are presented as facts - widely accepted, and promoted by cynical politicians every so often. Although I prefer not to be apologetic in my approach, I always find myself having to explain my choice to wear the niqab, in the hope that I can raise awareness, challenge misperceptions and help promote mutual respect.

To understand the niqab, it helps to understand the religion behind it. Islam has three simple messages – liberation from worshipping anything but the one God; following in the way of His Prophets including Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them; and servitude to the whole of humanity. Islam’s practical acts of liberation are many – from the duty of environmentalism (protecting ‘the Creation’ from the excesses of humankind) to the imperative of modesty for both women and men – one part of which is the face-veil.

In my view, the authentic reading of Scripture does not deem the niqab as compulsory, but rather as highly recommended: the wives of the prophet Muhammad used to wear it, and they are my role models.

Therefore the niqab is a religious symbol - and wearing it is considered by many Muslim women as an act of worship. Certainly the niqab is a spiritual journey that not many will take or understand, but those women who choose to wear it, such as myself, believe that it brings them closer to God, their Creator.

I also find the niqab liberating and dignifying; it gives me a sense of strength and empowers me. Deciding to wear it wasn’t easy - I had to go against my wishes of my parents, who discouraged me from wearing it because they feared I would face discrimination. But since I started wearing it, over 10 years ago, I have never changed my decision, nor have I ever found it a barrier. I continued my education to postgraduate level, and am now a professional molecular geneticist. Never once did I feel that the niqab prevented me from adding value to our British society – I’m involved in many community projects and events, and hold leadership positions in community organisations.

Some claim that women choose to wear the niqab do so due to social constraints and conditioning. This might be applicable to some extent in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran, where individuals have to behave in a certain way for social approval (which can include wearing the face-veil). But in Britain, face-veiled women are minority within a minority – numbering perhaps just 0.001% of the total Muslim population in the UK (no statistics are available on this issue). Wearing the niqab is not so common within the British Muslim community that social conditioning could play any significant role: in Britain the majority of these women wear the niqab as a personal choice.

The norms of any society are the sum of its collective values, so rather than talking about the role of social conditioning in relation to face-veiled women, let’s talk about those norms. Public freedom is a cherished value in the UK, and is part of the fabric of our society. It allows individuals the right to practice and articulate their religious freedoms and rights – and offers a woman total freedom of choice to decide what she wears. Women who wear the niqab are simply articulating those religious and personal freedoms – and we cannot risk undermining them for the sake of social imaginaries, deep-seated psychological fears, or ignorance.

There are claims that the niqab is a 'security threat', but such claims are overblown. With regards to the issue of security, particularly the wearing of the niqab in court, let’s be clear that Muslim women are allowed to take off their veils, particularly in the pursuit of justice. But there’s no common approach and each case should be dealt with individually, in a manner that ensures the preservation of these women’s dignity and rights. These women are not committing any crime; they must be treated as human beings with full rights to participate equally in civil society, and to access education.

The reason, I believe, that the niqab debate has progressed this far is that there exists a wide range of far-right movements, politicians and intellectuals across the spectrum who seek to promote the hysteria that fuels anti-Muslim hatred. These people hope to make the face-veiled Muslim women emblematic of a sinister 'Other', a ‘problem’ impossible to solve or accept.

We have to overcome this authoritarian mentality which assumes a right to interfere in the lives, appearances and thoughts of other people. We all have so much to offer each other and we should extend our tolerance to respect, not merely for individuals, but for their beliefs as well. Otherwise, by all clamouring to enforce our own ideologies on the women we seek to “liberate”, we will be contributing to their collective oppression. Indeed, attempts to ban the niqab will marginalise face-veiled women from participating in public life.

It’s time to go beyond words, and to pursue peace, prosperity and freedom through social, political and interfaith harmony - seeking compassionate justice for everyone, and protecting freedom of the individual.

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peacefuloptimist · 17/10/2013 12:20

Worldgonecrazy I also read that link. Its absolute garbage. However if you want to take your knowledge from a source that doesn't even tell you who the author of the piece is and what authority they have to speak on what they are writing about go ahead (for all you know its written by some nutter from the EDL) . But don't expect it to make you any wiser.

camilamoran · 17/10/2013 12:27

It's a rude, aggressive way to dress, but so what? It's a free country; you have the right to be rude and aggressive.

GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 12:27

Worldgonecrazy - read Fugacity's post. At the minimum, it is victim blaming, yet anti-niqab sentiment is meant to be about combating female oppression.

No one condemned that post, someone even applauded it.

In fact it seems the more vitriolic someone is about niqab, the more praise they are getting for it on here.

So I feel the need to ask, how far do people want anti-niqab sentiment to go? Is verbal harrassment ok? Being physically attacked ok? Is being prosecuted ok?

Myself and Peaceful have given examples of the abuse women with niqab face, no one seems to care about that.

Wingdingdong · 17/10/2013 12:47

I don't give a monkey's about someone else's choice of clothing as long as it doesn't impact on me.

However, IME the niqab does impact adversely on other people, and on themselves. I have taught two students (different universities) who wore the niqab. One student fainted in class as she was too hot. We didn't know how to treat her (didn't dare lift the niqab) and had a problem getting her out of the room to a cool outside spot as the ideal students to help carry her were male.

My other student tried her best to contribute to seminars but nobody knew when she wanted to say something, so she had to put her hand up like a child. Nobody could hear her - her voice was very muffled. She was also unable to hear properly. she could understand me, as she could see my face, but obviously misheard or didn't hear at all the students whose faces she couldn't see. She frequently emailed me to ask for a synopsis of the seminar and others' contributions (requiring me to give up my free time as a concession to her choices), and asked if she could use a dictaphone.

I have no issue with hearing-impaired students using recording equipment, but I feel very uncomfortable about students with no disability taking advantage of the disability procedures. The implication is that the 'choice' they have made is to give themselves a disability. I find this incompatible with the enabling argument used by the OP.

The same student happily removed the niqab on one occasion when the only male student who had turned up left early; the seminar was considerably more productive without the constant requests for repetition and her contribution was much greater. She then asked if we could provide women-only seminars. IMO this totally defeats the point of 'inclusive' higher education though I can see the opposite argument.

I don't feel the niqab creates hostility or affects my attitude towards the student - but I do think that if it creates communication issues to the point that the wearer asks to be treated as someone with a disability, then there's a moral issue, and if somebody else's choice requires me to give up (unpaid) time in order to repeat material and give an exclusive one-to-one tutorial, it's both inconvenient to me and a moral issue. I will defend any woman's right to wear whatever she chooses, but struggle to defend the need for others to accommodate that choice through their sacrifices.

KaseyM · 17/10/2013 12:55

Of course people care about it. Stop being so sanctimonious. I doubt very much that anyone here would wish any harm on a niqab wearer.

I think it's wrong to speak for all Muslim women as to their reasons as everyone will have different reasons. One Muslim woman I knew told me she wore a veil because of the harrassment she used to get from men when she was younger and wearing skimpy clothes. She also now had come round to the opinion that women who wore skimpy dresses were inviting trouble. She had a very low opinion of men, and had changed the way she dressed in order to manage that.

That's different from the reasons of the OP so everyone not only has different reasons but these reasons may well change over time for each individual.

And it's not a case of western women vs Muslim women a you're trying to present because there are lots of Muslim women who are opposed to niqab.

GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 12:56

Wing - that is very odd. Niqab sits on the face, so I have no idea how it affects hearing. I wear hijab and my hearing is fine.

worldgonecrazy · 17/10/2013 13:03

peacefuloptimist I found another pro-Mohammed source which provide what the writer believed to be good reasons for Mohammed marrying lots of women and keeping concubines. I, however, do not believe there to be good reasons for his behaviour. Just because things were accepted as "normal" at the time, does not make them right. Rape is morally as unacceptable in the past as it is today.

If Mohammed were truly in touch with the Divine, then he would have known this and not acted as he did. (The same argument can also be applied to various Christian, Jewish, Buddhist behaviour, etc. but for this thread, we are specifically discussing Islam.)

I have been asked to be understanding and accepting of why some women choose to wear niqab, without the same tolerance or understanding being shown of why I find the niqab distasteful.

I repeat my earlier comment: "within British law, you are free to wear the niqab. And under British law, I am free to consider it a revolting symbol of deep-rooted cultural misogyny."

Wingdingdong · 17/10/2013 13:20

Well, maybe she was just a weak student taking the piss and I fell for it Sad. But her excuse seemed plausible and I didn't know otherwise. It's not like you can really ask someone to prove their hearing is affected in these circs, is it? But now I feel Angry if I was duped.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 17/10/2013 13:25

Gosh - I actually read Fugacity's post not as a threat, but coming from the point of view that it should be a privilege to suffer for your faith; I believe this is a fairly common theme in the Catholic tradition.

BangOn · 17/10/2013 13:25

I might have this wrong, but I understand that in Sharia courts, the testimony of two women is equal to that of one man, in many cases.

Hypothetically, if a woman in a niqab witnesses the rape of another, unknown woman in a niqab, then the much repeated 'communication problems' caused by the veil becomes much more serious. You would end up with one witness who is unable to credibly even identify the victim, & a victim who can't give a credible identification of an eyewitness. In such circumstances, the barriers to the prosecution forming a coherent case would presumably be hampered.

Beyond this narrow example, I would also question whether the niqab also plays a wider role in stopping women from forming strong bonds with one another outside of their immediate family, & so strengthens the dominant patriarchy.

Actually, the same could be said of 'western' women wearing as little as possible, & thereby dividing themselves from one another ib a sort of competitive sexiness. I'd probably feel as uncomfortable trying to strike up a conversation with a woman with boobs & bum hanging out all over the place, as I would a woman completely covered.

CoteDAzur · 17/10/2013 13:39

"I know a woman who left the UK because of the attention it brought her"

Well, if the way you want to live your life is alien to the country you are in (to such an extent that you are receiving abuse from strangers) it might be an idea to move to a place where it is the norm. You will be happier.

"But I am English, I was born here etc" I hear you say Smile And so what? If you decide to be a cannibal or a nudist living in Central London, do you think it will matter that you are born English, in England?

Like it or not, each country/society has its norms and mindset. When you espouse a mindset radically different than that of your country (like, say, "women are to blame for men's sexual thoughts and sexual activity needs to be regulated, so women must to be hidden away behind black curtains"), you really shouldn't expect society to be OK with that.

ShreddedHoops · 17/10/2013 13:42

It's such a shame the OP hasn't been back - I understand it's up to her, but can HQ if you're reading this, can you perhaps send her a message saying it's led to a discussion she might want to take part in?

Because we're speculating about reasons for wearing niqab and I'd like to hear hers, described better than in the OP.

It seems clear it's for 'Modesty' so let's unpick the concept. Modesty is dressing in such a way that doesn't invite the attention of the opposite sex. Behaving modestly is not engaging in flirtatious behaviour, and also of course the dual meaning of not talking yourself or your achievements/looks up. Modesty.

So Modesty is all about how you come across, how you are perceived to others. It's therefore subjective, and subject to change dependent on cultural norms and what the majority think of as Modest.

In the West, there are standards of Modesty - which change depending on environment - the workplace, where it's seen as a 'distraction' if you wear revealing clothes, and flirtation is unprofessional; the shopping mall / street, where more revealing clothing / flirtatious behaviour is acceptable, and the nightclub, where revealing clothing is the norm and flirtation is practically the reason for being there.

I like these multiple layers of Modesty in the UK. I wear comfortable, colourful, stylish, fashionable clothes to work, maybe with the addition of high heels or lots of makeup if I'm feeling more 'flirtatious' (need a better word, but sticking to my theme here). When I go out shopping / for lunch / out with friends to theatre or whatever, I dress a bit more provocatively. It doesn't invite attention in this country because I am meeting the expected standards of Modesty. If I go to a nightclub - I wear a revealing dress, heels and lots of makeup. It's fun, I feel great, it's absolutely in human DNA to enjoy feeling physically attractive. Again, I am meeting standards of Modesty.

I mentioned upthread about how women's clothing should never be taken as an invite to rape, sexual assault or other violence. However - clothing gives cues, and standards of societal Modesty are there to assist women with clothing choices and men understand how the woman may be feeling.

How does niqab fit into this? If it is always worn? Is the standard of Modesty so high that any expression of sexuality from a woman is deemed morally wrong? How did it become something women accept, that their natural bodies, God-given shapes, should be entirely covered up at all times?

GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 13:44

Boulevard - come off it, that is very twisted logic, particularly when Muslim women are being attacked for wearing niqab. The comment was victim blaming, plain and simple.

Also, why on earth should a Catholic perception of faith be applied to Muslims?

quoteunquote · 17/10/2013 13:55

Did you know that some children find it terrifying people covered up?

Especially autistic children, my SiL finds it hard to go out and about with her child as he frightened of people covered head to foot. (as do other children)

You say you wear it because your role models wear it, why did they wear it?

ShreddedHoops · 17/10/2013 13:58

I guess what I'm getting at is, in Western culture, no woman would choose to wear niqab. It's not necessary for Modesty and it's certainly not practical.

So why is it a common choice for women in Islamic countries?

My twopennyworth of an opinion is that women in Islamic countries who wear niqab are in far more traditional roles, ie looking after the home and children, so don't need to be dressed appropriately for work. They don't go out socialising with non family members. They don't go out dancing. In Saudi Arabia they are not even considered able to drive. They live less full lives than male members of society. Men are in positions of power - government and so on.

Is it a coincidence that in this state of inequality, of yes oppression, of misogynism, that women cover their bodies and faces? How on earth can wearing niqab be a more feminist choice than wearing hotpants, given the political background?

olathelawyer05 · 17/10/2013 14:01

Muslim woman: Its a symbol of dedication to my faith & culture. Nobody makes me wear it.

'Western' Feminist: Ah, but how do you know they don't make you wear it 'really'. You know, the patriarchy is all around you making you do things without wanting to do them.

Muslim woman: No really, I'm quite happy that its my choice. Nobody forces me to wear it. Not my father, husband, brother, mother....

'Western' Feminist: Ah, but is it your choice, or have you been brain-washed into thinking this? I have to keep questioning you because even if were truly your choice, its a choice that I'm not comfortable with anyway and I'm going to ignore the fact that this actually says more about my own intolerance that it does about you or your culture.

Muslim woman: I assure you, I'm fine. I 'choose' to wear it so its about my empowerment. You don't have to like my choice, but you must surely respect it as my choice.

'Western' Feminist: Ah, but that's what you would say if you were brain-washed isn't it. So how do you know you haven't been brainwashed? Really, I don't believe its your choice. You're probably in denial so I think regardless of what you say, I probably know better than you and its best I try to save you... from yourself if I must. Oh and remember, because you're a woman, you owe every other woman on earth a responsibility not to do anything that any one of them might believe is somehow insulting or restrictive to her as a woman. All women are linked in that way you know. Kind of like the way all the black people in the room feel a sense of shame, when another black person whom they don't even know, is reported to have done something bad.

Muslim woman: How do you know you haven't been brainwashed?...

[and on, and on and on....]

ShreddedHoops · 17/10/2013 14:16

Ok Ola - so you choose the niqab. Why? How is covering your entire face and body (only for women) a potent symbol?

Doesn't this make anyone else really detest religion?! For how it makes people (in this case women) not question why they have made this choice. What kind of a symbol is it? Self sacrifice? What?

eurochick · 17/10/2013 14:35

ola all religion is an attempt at brainwashing in my view.

lazysleepymummy · 17/10/2013 14:38

I don't see it as victim-blaming, it's that personal choices have social consequences. I certainly don't condone any physical or emotional abuse towards niqabis, but equally it's natural people find them hard to read and communicate with, which creates a barrier to social integration.

Several people refused to acknowledge the difficulties niqab creates in communication. That's funny because many people voiced their discomfort with not being able to read facial expressions etc, and you don't think so because you know better than how I feel?

ColderThanAWitchsTitty · 17/10/2013 14:42

If men wore I could view at a symbol of something besides blatant sexism. But I agree it is your right to wear what makes you feel comfortable and I can't see how you are "rejecting Brisith values" by wearing it as mentioned by comments above. What are "British values? Confused who decided. The BNP and EDL are the only groups who claim to know as far as I can see.. so I'd say it's best to leave it to the individual. I'm hardly going to be the one to tell a molecular biologist that she isn't clever enough to make her own wardrobe decisions!

Anyone who shaves their legs/wears make up/ gets vajazzled is making a choice to conform to a societies gender roles about looks for women and doing something the men havent got to worry about. Why don't we ban those things too?

ColderThanAWitchsTitty · 17/10/2013 14:45

*molecular geneticist

could be the same thing for all I know though

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 17/10/2013 14:52

Gosh - not defending/supporting said post, just saying how I read it.

nicename · 17/10/2013 14:53

I know women who have emigrated to get away from being forced to cover up. It makes society a very odd place when all are forced to comply.

SweetSkull · 17/10/2013 15:08

I know. Niqab is just a way of not worrying about matching shoes with clothes and handbags, not faffing with makeup and grey hair.
I'm converted!!!!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/10/2013 15:18

What about the issues of hampered communication, and the divisive effect this has in society?