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Why I wear the niqab

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MumsnetGuestBlogs · 16/10/2013 10:58

The common impression that people have about women who wear the niqab is that they are forced to do so by their spouses or society, and are therefore oppressed. They are also believed to be uneducated, passive - kept behind closed doors, and not integrated within British society.

These negative prejudices are just that, though they are presented as facts - widely accepted, and promoted by cynical politicians every so often. Although I prefer not to be apologetic in my approach, I always find myself having to explain my choice to wear the niqab, in the hope that I can raise awareness, challenge misperceptions and help promote mutual respect.

To understand the niqab, it helps to understand the religion behind it. Islam has three simple messages – liberation from worshipping anything but the one God; following in the way of His Prophets including Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them; and servitude to the whole of humanity. Islam’s practical acts of liberation are many – from the duty of environmentalism (protecting ‘the Creation’ from the excesses of humankind) to the imperative of modesty for both women and men – one part of which is the face-veil.

In my view, the authentic reading of Scripture does not deem the niqab as compulsory, but rather as highly recommended: the wives of the prophet Muhammad used to wear it, and they are my role models.

Therefore the niqab is a religious symbol - and wearing it is considered by many Muslim women as an act of worship. Certainly the niqab is a spiritual journey that not many will take or understand, but those women who choose to wear it, such as myself, believe that it brings them closer to God, their Creator.

I also find the niqab liberating and dignifying; it gives me a sense of strength and empowers me. Deciding to wear it wasn’t easy - I had to go against my wishes of my parents, who discouraged me from wearing it because they feared I would face discrimination. But since I started wearing it, over 10 years ago, I have never changed my decision, nor have I ever found it a barrier. I continued my education to postgraduate level, and am now a professional molecular geneticist. Never once did I feel that the niqab prevented me from adding value to our British society – I’m involved in many community projects and events, and hold leadership positions in community organisations.

Some claim that women choose to wear the niqab do so due to social constraints and conditioning. This might be applicable to some extent in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran, where individuals have to behave in a certain way for social approval (which can include wearing the face-veil). But in Britain, face-veiled women are minority within a minority – numbering perhaps just 0.001% of the total Muslim population in the UK (no statistics are available on this issue). Wearing the niqab is not so common within the British Muslim community that social conditioning could play any significant role: in Britain the majority of these women wear the niqab as a personal choice.

The norms of any society are the sum of its collective values, so rather than talking about the role of social conditioning in relation to face-veiled women, let’s talk about those norms. Public freedom is a cherished value in the UK, and is part of the fabric of our society. It allows individuals the right to practice and articulate their religious freedoms and rights – and offers a woman total freedom of choice to decide what she wears. Women who wear the niqab are simply articulating those religious and personal freedoms – and we cannot risk undermining them for the sake of social imaginaries, deep-seated psychological fears, or ignorance.

There are claims that the niqab is a 'security threat', but such claims are overblown. With regards to the issue of security, particularly the wearing of the niqab in court, let’s be clear that Muslim women are allowed to take off their veils, particularly in the pursuit of justice. But there’s no common approach and each case should be dealt with individually, in a manner that ensures the preservation of these women’s dignity and rights. These women are not committing any crime; they must be treated as human beings with full rights to participate equally in civil society, and to access education.

The reason, I believe, that the niqab debate has progressed this far is that there exists a wide range of far-right movements, politicians and intellectuals across the spectrum who seek to promote the hysteria that fuels anti-Muslim hatred. These people hope to make the face-veiled Muslim women emblematic of a sinister 'Other', a ‘problem’ impossible to solve or accept.

We have to overcome this authoritarian mentality which assumes a right to interfere in the lives, appearances and thoughts of other people. We all have so much to offer each other and we should extend our tolerance to respect, not merely for individuals, but for their beliefs as well. Otherwise, by all clamouring to enforce our own ideologies on the women we seek to “liberate”, we will be contributing to their collective oppression. Indeed, attempts to ban the niqab will marginalise face-veiled women from participating in public life.

It’s time to go beyond words, and to pursue peace, prosperity and freedom through social, political and interfaith harmony - seeking compassionate justice for everyone, and protecting freedom of the individual.

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GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 09:39

Aciddrops lots of people find excessive tattoos and facial piercings "sinister", but no one is saying they should be shunned by society.

Or is that different because people perceived as "British" do that?

aciddrops · 17/10/2013 09:41

Peaceful optimist - As for needing to see read facial expressions and cues, well how do people are blind cope, if its such an essential part of communication?

Hmmm....how do people without legs cope if it is such an essential part of getting around?

I would suggest that blind people have a disability and certainly do have a problem with not being able to see.

aciddrops · 17/10/2013 09:44

Gosh I think that people with loads of tattoos and piercings probably are discriminated against. I certainly wouldn't employ someone like that as it would give a very bad image to my business. If they choose to look like that they they have chosen to be discriminated against. Their choice.
The same goes for someone who chooses to wear a niqab.

MorrisZapp · 17/10/2013 09:51

Totally agree with maninaskirt, and the majority on this thread.

The hot pants argument is laughable. I've never worn hot pants in my life. Most women do not wear hot pants. Most job descriptions would preclude their wear.

Western women can wear what suits them, the weather, and the occasion they are dressing for. So, mostly not hot pants (or similar) then.

MorrisZapp · 17/10/2013 09:54

Also feel the the blog is mostly smoke and mirrors.

Why does the writer wear the niqab? We're none the wiser really are we. She just presents the arguments against banning it. I'm not in favour of banning it anyway.

ICameOnTheJitney · 17/10/2013 09:56

That's right Morris she's had her say and not come on to answer any questions. What was the point?

peacefuloptimist · 17/10/2013 10:19

Western women can wear what suits them

If you can wear what you want shouldn't muslim women and other women around the world be able to wear what they want even if you dont agree with it. Dont niqabi women have the right to wear what suits them without being branded as sinister, oppressed, unwilling to engage with society? Its clothes for goodness sake.

I did an interesting experiment this summer. Whenever I went out I looked out for groups of men and women and noted what they wearing. 9 times out of 10 when you looked at women you saw skin and when you looked at men you saw clothes. You have such discrepancies in your own culture with regards to how men and women dress. Why should we look to you as some sort of example of enlightenment? Putting pressure on women to constantly look attractive is extremely damaging to their self esteem. Dont believe me look at the statistics.

Only 3% of women in the UK are totally happy with their body.

The survey of 5,000 women, commissioned by REAL magazine, found that 91% of women were unhappy with their hips and thighs, 77% were dissatisfied with their waist and 78% said they had cellulite.

Three-quarters of British women were unhappy with their shape, 71% with their weight and six out of 10 said their body image made them feel depressed.

Some 65% of those surveyed felt their life would improve considerably if they were happy with their body.

But 84% of those who were of normal weight wished they were slimmer, by an average of nine pounds.

Hijab and niqab protects muslim women to a certain extent from this because we have already backed out of this contest. We are not interested in looking attractive to men we do not give a damn about. Dressing modestly shields you from that judgement.

FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 17/10/2013 10:19

Why don't men wear the niqab?

That's all, really.

nicename · 17/10/2013 10:20

Women in Iran don't tend to cover their faces. Culturally it is alien to them.

It is lovely to go to the consulate these days and see women wearing what they wish not what they have been told they must.

GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 10:26

Considering comments like Fugacity's which says that if women wear niqab, they shouldn't complain if they are physically attacked or assaulted, Sahar may not feel this is a safe space for her.

Would you like to participate on an internet forum where people thought it was your fault if you were physically attacked? And that if you experienced such an attack, you had no right to redress?

MortaIWombat · 17/10/2013 10:30

Fantastic article, passmetheprozac. Especially this:

Many brave women in the Middle East and Asia have died for the much more important right not to cover their faces, and I have little patience with women in this country who make a mockery of that struggle by trying to pretend they're the ones suffering oppression.

FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 17/10/2013 10:33

I was disappointed in that blog tbh. I was hoping an intelligent woman would be able to make an argument that made sense. The only reason she's given is that she's emulating the prophet's wives. And saying that we all assume women wearing the niqab are uneducated, oppressed and forced into it? I don't assume any such thing. It's well known that younger more educated women are adopting the niqab. I don't understand why though, and the blog hasn't helped at all.

Anyway, I would never support a law which banned the niqab. I fully support people's right to wear whatever they want. I happen to find it ridiculous and depressing though.

MortaIWombat · 17/10/2013 10:34

Ooh, and this from someone whose name I've just forgotten. Blush

You talk eloquently for paragraphs around how people feel about niqabs - however the only, sole, single reason you give for wearing one is that Muhammad's wives wore them. Why is that a reason? Why are they 'an inspiration' to you? As an independent woman gifted with intelligence and ability to use it, why are Muhammad's wives so inspirational to you?

I, like many other posters, struggle with the idea of 'modesty' - what does that actually mean? I must cover certain (all?) parts of my body to avoid being lusted after by men? Why is that then seen as me being a good woman? I don't understand. My behaviour is enough to judge whether I am a good woman or not, surely. A 'good woman' to you may be one who covers her body, but you have failed in your OP to explain why.

Women (and men) have argued for years that it makes no difference what a woman is wearing, how culpable she is if raped or sexually attacked. I can walk out of my house right now, at 9pm in the dark, and walk across town in my underwear if I so choose. If a man attacks me, it is his crime and his moral failing, not mine. Some sections of society would make it 'my fault' but legally, I would be entirely justified. I'd be interested in your views on this and how it relates to your views on 'modesty' - to me, the concept of modesty is just a way of putting the onus on women to be responsible for male sexual behaviour. This applies across cultural and religious divides. As many before have asked - what constitutes male modesty?

aciddrops · 17/10/2013 10:40

If you can wear what you want shouldn't muslim women and other women around the world be able to wear what they want even if you dont agree with it. Dont niqabi women have the right to wear what suits them without being branded as sinister, oppressed, unwilling to engage with society? Its clothes for goodness sake.

How do you brand a punk, a goth, a hippy, someone dressed in track suit bottoms, or a woman in hot pants and a skimpy top? All those people are presenting an image and expect some sort of reaction to it even if it is only a subtle one. What you choose to wear will influence people's perceptions of you. Clothes are very much about image. The niqab presents another image.

SweetSkull · 17/10/2013 10:47

I often see niqab wearers buying sexy lingerie at primark (I know that the primark info isn't relevant btw)

So I think they do care about being attractive to man, yes. But only her husbands.
You may argue that they have the right to do so.

But so do Western women when they want to show skin.

I understand that there are many commercial pressure for women to feel they need to improve their looks etc, but not every women get trapped in it. I for example don't give a shit about what my husband or other people think about my body or dress sense. The only person I strive to please on this subject is myself and I'm very happy with my image.
I must admit I wasn't like this when younger but the key is that once I changed my mindset, there is no religious or cultural pressure that will make me doubt my choices, just for what I look in the outside.

By the way, I love summer, I wear hot pants and bikini when I feel like and sometimes I'm totally covered a part from my face, even though I have huge sunglasses. And I still feel my relationship with God is the same regardless.

sorry if I'm not making much sense

GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 10:50

Aciddrops - I might not like what someone is wearing/how they've chosen to present themselves, but I don't think that gives me the right to treat them in a negative way.

With regards to employment, niqab wearers don't seek public facing work roles. Considering a niqab wearer can barely fart in the UK without it being national news, I can only think of one case where a niwab wearer has been dismissed from their role (it was the teaching assitant case and it was widely agreed that the dismissal was correct as she had not worn niqab at interview), so it would appear to not be a huge issue.

UptheChimney · 17/10/2013 11:01

Thanks for this personal point of view. It's thought through and obviously important for you.

But I find the religious requirement for WOMEN only to cover their faces to be offensive. Not the women who do it, but the religious principle. It is fundamentally misogynist, as are other religious strictures in other religions which focus on the "dangers" of the female body, and femininity. Women's rights are human rights, and religious strictures which tell me that my body is a risk, a danger, and needs to be treated in certain ways covered, not permitted in certain places, and so on are treating me as less than human.

The norms of any society are the sum of its collective values, so rather than talking about the role of social conditioning in relation to face-veiled women, let’s talk about those norms. Public freedom is a cherished value in the UK, and is part of the fabric of our society.

Yes, let's talk about a society's collective values.

In the UK, we live in a liberal democracy. Citizens are free to live as they wish, as long as they don't harm others. Those freedoms carry with them reciprocal responsibilities: to act with openness and frankness in our dealings with other citizens.

The niqab cuts across the citizen's responsibility to act with openness and frankness in their interactions with other citizens. To that extent, I find such a requirement to be unBritish.

And many Muslims will tell you it is NOT a religious requirement, but a cultural one, and as oppressive to other observant Muslims, as it is offensive to an open society generally. See Yasmin Alibhai Brown's writings on this.

aciddrops · 17/10/2013 11:19

I might not like what someone is wearing/how they've chosen to present themselves, but I don't think that gives me the right to treat them in a negative way

So do you think that a girl in hot pants, a skimpy top and high heels should be let into a mosque?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/10/2013 11:25

As I said in my first post, my main worry about the niqab is that it is a barrier to communication. As I do not know any muslim women as friends, I do not ever visit anyone who wears the niqab in their home, nor does anyone wearing the niqab visit me in my home. Therefore the only time I will ever encounter and interact with a woman who choses to wear the niqab is in public, when she will be wearing the niqab - and I genuinely find this a barrier to communication.

If I can't see your face, it is much, much harder for me to communicate with you - I can't see that you are smiling at me, when, for me, a smile is often how a conversation starts. On other occasions, it is a different facial expression that provokes a comment from me - if someone looks tired or upset, I might offer a supportive comment, for example. Or if they look worried, I might ask if I can help. None of that is possible if I cannot see someone's facial expressions, and so the conversations don't start.

That might sound very trivial - so I don't have passing conversations in Tesco or the town centre with women wearing the niqab - why is that a big deal? Well, for me, conversations are little connections made with another person, and every connection made between communities strengthens understanding and tolerance - and when these little interpersonal connections aren't being made, that tolerance and understanding grows a lot more slowly, if it grows at all - and I believe we need much more communication, tolerance and understanding between the muslim and non-muslim communities - because otherwise it is far too easy for lies and misunderstandings to flourish and cause tension and conflict.

Maybe it is my problem, but when I see someone wearing a niqab, I feel that they are saying they don't want to have anything to do with me, they have nothing to gain from a conversation or a relationship with me, and they only want to interact with members of their own community - and that is not a good impression to give, imo.

lilmamma · 17/10/2013 11:43

I personally think they are scary, and when there are a group of women with them on, I tend to look the other way, as you cant see their face or expression and they look threatening, the same way if a man was walking around in a full face balaclava, if he approached you, would you not feel uncomfy or a bit threatened ? It is the womens choice to wear them, not a religious must do..I think they enjoy the attention it brings them, being a bit of a rebel .

GoshAnneGorilla · 17/10/2013 11:45

Acid drops it wouldn't bother me, but again institutional dress codes are a different matter to general perceptions and treatment.

There are some people on this thread arguing that it is ok to treat niqab wearers with hostility. I find that to be extremely worrying.

I think people should be clear as to exactly how far their "dislike" or "distaste" for niqab should be allowed to go.

worldgonecrazy · 17/10/2013 11:59

I didn't read anything about treating niqab wearers with hostility? There have been several posts reiterating the fact that the niqab is a very physical barrier to communication, and therefore to understanding, but that is not hostility.

Thank you to whomever posted the link about the prophets wives and sexual slaves/concubines. Very ironic for the founder of a religion that speaks so much about "modesty".

ChildrensStoriesNet · 17/10/2013 12:01

Some say the "niqab" discriminates against the disabled (hard of hearing) because lip reading and expression are very important to such people.

It seems they have a valid point.

peacefuloptimist · 17/10/2013 12:07

I really despair of some of the posters on here.

I think they enjoy the attention it brings them, being a bit of a rebel.

I know a woman who left the UK because of the attention it brought her. People use to spit at her on the street when she was walking her children to school, pushing her baby in the pram. Some niqabis have been physically assaulted. Is that the kind of attention that you think they want.

So do you think that a girl in hot pants, a skimpy top and high heels should be let into a mosque?

What has that got to do with anything. I worked in a secondary school that sent girls home on non-uniform day because they were wearing hot pants. Is that treating them in a negative way or is that simply acknowledging that hotpants are not an appropriate attire to wear to an institution where you are supposed to be learning. By the way its not just students. A teacher in another school I worked in was taken aside and told not to wear low cut tops as she was distracting the male students. There is a dress code when you walk in to a school and there is a dress code when you go to a mosque. If you dont like it dont go.

How do you brand a punk, a goth, a hippy, someone dressed in track suit bottoms, or a woman in hot pants and a skimpy top? What you choose to wear will influence people's perceptions of you. Clothes are very much about image. The niqab presents another image.

Why should I brand them as anything? What right have I got to brand anyone as anything? A punk, a goth, a hippy, a track suit bottom wearer (?) are all human beings. Some are bad, some are good. Clothes dont tell you what the person is like. Some people may dress in a way that you like but they may be absolutely horrible human beings. You need to get past this obsession with image. That's another advantage of hijab and niqab. It stops you obsessing about your image. Clothes are chosen on the basis of modesty and practicality not based on what will people think of me. People in all societies want to look nice and dress nicely but I think the amount of meaning invested in to clothing by the Western culture and others influenced by it is insane. Thats why you get women crying about having to leave the house without make up on or spending the bulk of their salary on clothes. Image is not everything.

aciddrops · 17/10/2013 12:11

But Gosh the thing is that I doubt that a scantily clad woman would be allowed into a Mosque. She would not be welcome in many Catholic churches abroad either. I'm not suggesting that she should be allowed into these places dressed like that, all I am trying to say is that there are dress codes for different situations. I think that the niqab is the wrong way to dress for many situations, including appearing in public.
The problem I have with it is that when I see a covered woman, I am not on an equal footing with that woman because she can see my face and I cannot see hers. I am identifying myself but she is not identifying herself. She can see my facial expressions but I cannot see hers. Identification and communication are key things in most cultures. If I could not interact with that person on an equal level then I wouldn't particularly want to interact at all. Is that hostility and discrimination?