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Why I wear the niqab

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MumsnetGuestBlogs · 16/10/2013 10:58

The common impression that people have about women who wear the niqab is that they are forced to do so by their spouses or society, and are therefore oppressed. They are also believed to be uneducated, passive - kept behind closed doors, and not integrated within British society.

These negative prejudices are just that, though they are presented as facts - widely accepted, and promoted by cynical politicians every so often. Although I prefer not to be apologetic in my approach, I always find myself having to explain my choice to wear the niqab, in the hope that I can raise awareness, challenge misperceptions and help promote mutual respect.

To understand the niqab, it helps to understand the religion behind it. Islam has three simple messages – liberation from worshipping anything but the one God; following in the way of His Prophets including Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them; and servitude to the whole of humanity. Islam’s practical acts of liberation are many – from the duty of environmentalism (protecting ‘the Creation’ from the excesses of humankind) to the imperative of modesty for both women and men – one part of which is the face-veil.

In my view, the authentic reading of Scripture does not deem the niqab as compulsory, but rather as highly recommended: the wives of the prophet Muhammad used to wear it, and they are my role models.

Therefore the niqab is a religious symbol - and wearing it is considered by many Muslim women as an act of worship. Certainly the niqab is a spiritual journey that not many will take or understand, but those women who choose to wear it, such as myself, believe that it brings them closer to God, their Creator.

I also find the niqab liberating and dignifying; it gives me a sense of strength and empowers me. Deciding to wear it wasn’t easy - I had to go against my wishes of my parents, who discouraged me from wearing it because they feared I would face discrimination. But since I started wearing it, over 10 years ago, I have never changed my decision, nor have I ever found it a barrier. I continued my education to postgraduate level, and am now a professional molecular geneticist. Never once did I feel that the niqab prevented me from adding value to our British society – I’m involved in many community projects and events, and hold leadership positions in community organisations.

Some claim that women choose to wear the niqab do so due to social constraints and conditioning. This might be applicable to some extent in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran, where individuals have to behave in a certain way for social approval (which can include wearing the face-veil). But in Britain, face-veiled women are minority within a minority – numbering perhaps just 0.001% of the total Muslim population in the UK (no statistics are available on this issue). Wearing the niqab is not so common within the British Muslim community that social conditioning could play any significant role: in Britain the majority of these women wear the niqab as a personal choice.

The norms of any society are the sum of its collective values, so rather than talking about the role of social conditioning in relation to face-veiled women, let’s talk about those norms. Public freedom is a cherished value in the UK, and is part of the fabric of our society. It allows individuals the right to practice and articulate their religious freedoms and rights – and offers a woman total freedom of choice to decide what she wears. Women who wear the niqab are simply articulating those religious and personal freedoms – and we cannot risk undermining them for the sake of social imaginaries, deep-seated psychological fears, or ignorance.

There are claims that the niqab is a 'security threat', but such claims are overblown. With regards to the issue of security, particularly the wearing of the niqab in court, let’s be clear that Muslim women are allowed to take off their veils, particularly in the pursuit of justice. But there’s no common approach and each case should be dealt with individually, in a manner that ensures the preservation of these women’s dignity and rights. These women are not committing any crime; they must be treated as human beings with full rights to participate equally in civil society, and to access education.

The reason, I believe, that the niqab debate has progressed this far is that there exists a wide range of far-right movements, politicians and intellectuals across the spectrum who seek to promote the hysteria that fuels anti-Muslim hatred. These people hope to make the face-veiled Muslim women emblematic of a sinister 'Other', a ‘problem’ impossible to solve or accept.

We have to overcome this authoritarian mentality which assumes a right to interfere in the lives, appearances and thoughts of other people. We all have so much to offer each other and we should extend our tolerance to respect, not merely for individuals, but for their beliefs as well. Otherwise, by all clamouring to enforce our own ideologies on the women we seek to “liberate”, we will be contributing to their collective oppression. Indeed, attempts to ban the niqab will marginalise face-veiled women from participating in public life.

It’s time to go beyond words, and to pursue peace, prosperity and freedom through social, political and interfaith harmony - seeking compassionate justice for everyone, and protecting freedom of the individual.

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Gauri · 20/10/2013 14:56

thediet the how do you explain people having to convert to Islam when they marry a Muslim?

I agree that the moguls were mainly peaceful but that did not have anything to do with religion. It was political. There were far more powerful Hindu kings around them.

Also, Akbar was raised by Hindus which had something to do with his liberal outlook.

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 14:57

so would you be cool with paying an extra tax for being a muslim in the uk then? Hmm christians were still having to do this in egypt when i lived there. it's a ridiculous practice. a financial penalty for having a different faith. can you imagine if the church of england and the queen decided we'd do that here?

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 14:59

gauri - muslim women have to marry muslim men (because conversion through the power of the man is seen as so likely) but muslim men can marry other 'people of the book'. they, according to the koran, do not have to convert to islam but it's seen as likely they will through the teaching and persuasion of their husbands (hence the women not allowed to marry non muslims). if you're seeing forced conversion it's a cultural not muslim practice.

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 15:01

though really - which is REAL? what muslims DO or what the books say they SHOULD do?

we're always expected to overlook what's done and see the 'real' religion even if it only exists abstractly in a book and take that as the real truth over practice.

i would say this of ANY religion btw.

crescentmoon · 20/10/2013 15:02

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Gauri · 20/10/2013 15:06

Crescent, the conversion of Indonesia was not peaceful. The hindu-Buddhist Kingdom of pajajaran was conquered by Muslims. Same with the majapahits. They converted the locals.

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 15:07

and if the choice is convert or at best pay an extra tax to your conquerers and at worst be terribly in danger i reckon you'd convert.

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 15:08

would you like 50% tax sir or would you like to sign here saying you believe in father christmas? errr....

Gauri · 20/10/2013 15:12

There are so many contradictions here in what I see as being practiced by Muslims and what their holy book actually says.

Every time a statement is made "Muslims tend to..", there is a answer back that says, ah yes, that's right. That's what we practice but our holy book says the opposite... But you are a biggot for pointing this out.

Sorry to be so dramatic but if you read posts from gosh etc! that's what I conclude.

There is no willingness to say, yes, that's wrong. We out it down to culture and our community is trying to change that...

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Lavenderhoney · 20/10/2013 15:18

I am quite friendly with a covered mum at the school my dc go to. We chat whilst waiting. She was complaining she was too hot one day, and I said, well, its very thick material.... She said she would love to just wear jeans and a t shirt but her dh family were against it, and word would get back.

Another mum used to cover then one day arrived in make up, hair down, skirt and top. I said goodness, how lovely you look! And she smiled and said she felt very self conscious even though she was now like all the other mums. She said she hoped to get used to it, outside, and didnt realise how other women looked you over.

My dc are used to covered ladies, but when babies didnt like it, and yelled. The women were always very kind, chatting in supermarket queues and smiling at the babies. They always said " oh, I'm sorry I forgot I was wearing this.

I don't think it makes you any more devout than someone who doesn't.

Western women who marry Muslims don't cover- well the ones I know- so I think it must be a choice.

I have also been on a plane where everyone boarding was in western clothes and not covered, and when we landed in the ME lots of women were covered, so that not choice, is it?

Gauri · 20/10/2013 15:33

cresent, that is the right answer. but we are not seeing that answer. that is what I am trying to say.

I have lost count of how many times the word biggot has been used here in this post alone even though the arguments have been reasonable by the (I assume) non muslim.

I have met you before on other similar posts and know you to be well read and open minded.

see how many posts it takes defend a face civering which we all mostly think is riddiculous in this day and age in the uk.

I am all for defending individual expression, but please do not further malign islam in it is my argument.

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swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 15:40

but how is it for the sake of god when god doesn't ask it of you? why would god want you to suffer in summer?

peacefuloptimist · 20/10/2013 15:40

In Surah Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 19 (4: 19) “Oh! You who believe, you are forbidden to inherit women against their will!”
b. Islamic law requires the consent of both the parties before marriage. In matters related to marriage a woman cannot be forced by anyone including her father.
That verse is not talking about forced marriages. If you look at the wording it says ‘inherit’ women against their will not ‘marry’ women against their will. You are extrapolating that it is referring to marriage it is not. At the time of the prophet Muhammed PBUH women were considered to be a man’s property so when he died his relatives would inherit his wife along with his belongings. Often they would sell her as a slave. That’s what the verse is referring to not forced marriages so you have provided no evidence that the Quran explicitly states forced marriages is wrong. That verse even according to to how you are interpreting is not explicitly mentioning forced marriages so my example still stands.
Furthermore you say ‘islamic law’ requires the consent of both parties. Islamic law is based on Quran and hadith so you are still not providing any evidence that hadith is not needed or not used for important legal opinions.
But the religions and faiths do have a responsibility to ensure that they preach the right way, so that the cruel/extremists/bigots are pointed up as being what they are - and the religion has condemned their beliefs and actions
they do indeed have that responsibility and to speak out and defend their faith from such actions and to do so loudly.
Have they not done that.
List of fatwas and formal statements made by Muslim Scholars and organizations against extremism and terrorism
Muslims condemn it again and again but that is not good enough. I have heard people argue that muslims need to go and demonstrate to PROVE they don’t support the extremists. The day I see Europeans and Americans en masse demonstrating against Isreali occupation of Palestinian lands which they are supporting by supplying the Isrealis with arms, American drones in Afghanistan, US support for dictators in the Middle East, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib prison, rendering of suspects for torture, the war in Iraq etc is the day I will take you seriously. But if you want to hold all muslims responsible for the actions of every nutter in our community then you are just reinforcing what the terrorists believe which is that every American, every British person, every Kenyan is responsible for the unjust and aggressive actions of their governments. I don’t believe that by the way. I believe in this verse:
’And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another’ Holy Quran Chapter 35, verse 18
If a family member of yours commits a crime should I blame your whole family for it? Should I demand that your whole family has to go to jail with him or has to pay compensation along with him? That’s what this verse is saying. I have nothing to do with the actions of a mad person living half way across the earth from me who I have never met, never spoken to and would have no power to influence so why on earth do you think I should somehow take responsibility for them. That’s what you are doing. When Lee Rigby was killed many EDL supporters and Islamophobes came out with comments like that’s it any muslim I see tomorrow is going to get it. Why? Because they blame all muslims for the actions of one nutter.
Let me ask you why have you brought this up in connection to the niqab debate? Are you blaming the niqab wearers for the crimes of terrorists? Is that why you are against niqab because you want to punish them for the crimes of extremists and terrorists? The fact that you connect up these two unrelated issues makes me think that your objection to niqab is political.
for islam it is truly about religion, albeit 'their' interpretation of their religion and there does seem to be something about islam, or perhaps the areas it orginated from, that lends itself to being interpreted in brutal ways that are intolerant of other perspectives, modern laws, heterogenorous societies etc..
It has absolutely nothing to do with religion and everything to do with trying to achieve a political goal. Listen to the people who committed the atrocity in Kenya they said that they were targeting Kenya because they invaded them. The Taliban are fighting against the American invasion of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda again and again talks about invasions of muslim lands and wanting American troops to leave Saudi. Just because you don’t want to believe them based on your own prejudices and superimpose your own made up reasons for their actions doesn’t mean its true. If the actions of these nutters is due to Islam then tell me please where does it say in the Quran that muslims should kill muslims. It doesn’t say that anywhere yet these radicals kill more muslims then they do non-muslims. Look at Al Shabab in Somali. They are killing people on a weekly if not daily basis. Oh yeah wait innocent Muslim people deserve it though so its not as tragic. Truly you make me sick.
any religion that asserts that women are beneath men; want people stoned to death for making a mistake, or being drawn to the wrong sex; The notion that islams is the only god and the only true god causes a lot of problems. muslim women have to marry muslim men (because conversion through the power of the man is seen as so likely) but muslim men can marry other 'people of the book';

What has any of this got to do with Niqab? Are you really against niqab because you don’t like the practice or because you don’t like Islam because from where Im standing it seems like you are spouting out what every Islamphobic bigot says which is Islam is a dangerous, evil, insert your choice of negative word religion.

I think I will hide this thread as the conversation is just turning ugly.
By the way if Islam was spread by the sword then Christianity was spread down the barrel of a gun. Im done.

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alemci · 20/10/2013 16:02

I think this thread has been really good because all though we don't always agree, we have been able to chat amiably. I don't like the term bigot as it is very subjective and it stifles debate.

Thanks Crescent and Peace. I really appreciate the info you supply.

I agree the christian faith has been violent particularly in say South America - Incas but not always.

My bugbear would be for Muslims who want to become christians, and then they are threatened. Isn't it their choice.

Also I believe the christians in Indonesia have a hard time and I think this does happen to christians in mainly Muslim countries which does seem harsh.

The tax thing in Egypt does sound like a protection racket on a big scale. Why can't non-Muslims live there anyway if they were contributing to the economy etc.

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swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 16:12

in response to the big paragraphless rant - it is not islamophobia to question how people can believe a god would want people stoned to death - and resorting to shouting 'islamophobia' (even though the question applied to judaism and christianity as well) rather than engage with the question is telling. and it's daft.

if you wanted to ignore the question then fine - if you wanted to engage with it the way to do that would be to explain how you feel able to worship a being that you believe wants it's followers to murder people in cold blood for their transgressions, how you reconcile 'all loving, most forgiving, most kind' etc with stone the gays!

it is perfectly ok to question religion, to be critical of elements of religion, to ask questions about religion. seriously - it is ok. you may not like it but it doesn't make it islamophobia or any other kind of phobia. i don't hate muslims - i can be critical of the internal logic of a religion, the practices of some of it's members, the ways it has been interpreted etc without being a bigot or a hater.

again it's a free country.

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alemci · 20/10/2013 16:26

great Crescent I think it is easy to get carried away on the forum as we can't see each other etc and it can become horridSmile

TheDietStartsTomorrow · 20/10/2013 16:33

so would you be cool with paying an extra tax for being a muslim in the uk then? christians were still having to do this in egypt when i lived there. it's a ridiculous practice. a financial penalty for having a different faith.

Swallowed, Muslims also paid. There's was called 'zakah' and it was also compulsory. It wasn't a tax that was only levied to the non Muslims. It was, if you care to research correctly without prejudice, an entirely fair system.

TheDietStartsTomorrow · 20/10/2013 16:37

Also, peacefuloptimist has taken time and effort to address your points. The least you could do is read through it; it's not too taxing. :)

And I can see the paragraphs; can't you?

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 16:47

i didn't put 'all conflicts in the muslim world' as being about religion at all. i said islamic terrorism, as we're seeing it these days, is being declared to be about religion by those committing it. yes there are political agendas and impacts but the people who are actually doing it believe themselves to be doing so because of what they believe (and i stressed that it was 'their' interpretation).

thediet - zakah, which yes i'm aware of, is 2% of ones profits at the end of the year -the christians were paying a hell of a lot more than that. perhaps you could try to research and even entertain the idea that i might be fully aware of zakah. though i've always spelt it zakat but will follow your lead happily.